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What is liberty?

marbles says...

>> ^NetRunner:
Violating the speed limit is a crime. There's no victim.
I don't think speeding is necessarily a victimless crime. But prostitution is. Gambling is. What’s your point?
>> ^NetRunner:
I'm a human, and I have a mind. I have no earthly idea what you think natural rights are, or why I should care about them.

I have my own reasons for what I believe, and how I approach the concept of rights, and it's clearly different from yours. How can that be possible, if "natural rights" are wired into us?
We are biologically programed to seek life. A newborn naturally suckles a nipple and instinctively holds his breath under water. These are not learned behaviors. We are entitled to life. Property is an extension of life. It’s the representation of the inherent right to control the fruits of one's own labor. Surely a prehistoric man believed he was entitled to control an uninhabited cave he found, an animal he killed or captured, or anything he built or created.
>> ^NetRunner:

This is really the crux of the dispute in all your myriad conversations on this video. You seem to think anyone who asks you to think about what you're saying is just trying to trick you somehow.
Ok, I’ll bite. If you deny 100% self-ownership (i.e. the philosophy of liberty as described in this video), then that leaves only 2 other options. Option 1: Universal and equal ownership of everyone else (i.e. Communism) Option 2: Partial Ownership of One Group by Another (e.g. Feudalism) Option 1 is unachievable and unsustainable. Option 2 is a system of rule by one class over another.
>> ^NetRunner:
The only thing we're trying to do is get you to broaden your perspective a little. We're being polite about the fact that you seem to think us evil (or perhaps just stupid) for believing what we believe, and we're trying to help you understand a little bit of why we think the way we do, and see that maybe we're not monsters after all...
LOL@“We're being polite”

Why are you talking in “we” and not “I”? And if it makes you feel better by putting words in my mouth or thoughts in my head, then fine. But that's not why I dismissed your claim that this is only the “objectivist/libertarian definition of liberty”.
I think the crux of the problem is you like to label everything instead of just accepting it for what it is. Political issues and figures are full of delusions and deceptions. You do yourself a disservice by putting everything into one ideological box or another. I know plenty of “libertarians” that don’t have a problem with the patriot act and plenty of “progressives” that don’t have a problem with the cold-blooded murder of OBL. The political false dichotomy left/right survives because of people like you and, ironically, the guy warning about black and white thinking.

How well does Obama handle a crying baby?

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alien_concept says...

>> ^rottenseed:

>> ^alien_concept:
>> ^rottenseed:
Seriously...we've got to put an end to these good-fer-nothing children suckling off the teat of society. I can't wait for them to grow up either.
But until then...let's beat the shit out of 'em

Yeah yeah. We all know your girlfriend is this close to dumping you because your spunk is drunk, quit projecting Marshall

HEY! My girlfriend is close to dumping me for a lot of reasons, but it's hardly because she drinks my spunk...or my spunk is drunk by anybody...except me...I was curious.


Last I heard tasting your own cum meant you're gay...

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rottenseed says...

>> ^alien_concept:

>> ^rottenseed:
Seriously...we've got to put an end to these good-fer-nothing children suckling off the teat of society. I can't wait for them to grow up either.
But until then...let's beat the shit out of 'em

Yeah yeah. We all know your girlfriend is this close to dumping you because your spunk is drunk, quit projecting Marshall


HEY! My girlfriend is close to dumping me for a lot of reasons, but it's hardly because she drinks my spunk...or my spunk is drunk by anybody...except me...I was curious.

ISPCC PSA - I Can't Wait Until I Grow Up

alien_concept says...

>> ^rottenseed:

Seriously...we've got to put an end to these good-fer-nothing children suckling off the teat of society. I can't wait for them to grow up either.
But until then...let's beat the shit out of 'em


Yeah yeah. We all know your girlfriend is this close to dumping you because your spunk is drunk, quit projecting Marshall

ISPCC PSA - I Can't Wait Until I Grow Up

rottenseed says...

Seriously...we've got to put an end to these good-fer-nothing children suckling off the teat of society. I can't wait for them to grow up either.

But until then...let's beat the shit out of 'em

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Mitt Romney’s Lonely Defense of Insurance Companies

choggie says...

So then Nithern, what you're saying is that this choad is your average politician. Most are tools of their keepers, and those that are not are sent to eat at the little kids table-Personally, I would laugh in the face of any Mormon named Mitt, regardless of their decision to suckle at the teat of the great whore.

Saturday morning cartoons taught you collectivism! (Politics Talk Post)

choggie says...

The socio-genetic experiment has worked well-Gone are the days of bashing people over thehead with mallets and blowing them up with TNT-I watched Sesame Street for the musical numbers-The best cartoons were ones with no message whatsoever rather, the renderings and animation always held preeminence over the scripting. Mornings before public school programming were spent with the 3 stooges and Bugs, Woody Woodpecker and re-runs of Twilight zone and Outer Limits at night...

I grew up listening to music more that suckling of of the cathode ray nipple-Lot's of Zappa, obscure garage bands, and selective pop. Television was clear as a fucking bell to me- An insidious programming glow for those whose minds were already forming into a mass of putty easily manipulated and influenced to do the bidding of the advertisers, financiers, and criminal politicians bent on turning everyone into easily managed robots.(I did watch every Charlie's Angels episode each week, and had posters of all of em, on the wall opposite the black light posters!)

Fast-forward to the now and it would seem that the shit worked better than expected. The last couple of generations are as gullible and susceptible as ever to the machine.

Art, music, performance, and the artisan trades are dying-the third-world is polluting the first(by design), and regurgitated, hackneyed scripts have replaced what was once a higher more inspired art.

More power to ya BF, as you do battle in the exclusive arena you have chosen....The passion is what is important.

"Read my lips... NO NEW TAXES!"

"Read my lips... NO NEW TAXES!"



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