Oh critics say something...well they must be right...make crimes harder to prosecute...yeah must be true. Please present some evidence for your claims.

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-01-29/local/me-25875_1_hate-crime-cases

Also I disagree it's Orwellian unless it's the powerful subjugating the weak with thought crimes. When it's a law for protecting the weak and minorities, I don't agree. Just doesn't make sense unless the scales are balanced.

What's more powerful than government and its badly written, randomly-enforced laws?


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Here is the simplest way I can think of to describe it. @quantumushroom

Say some teenagers spray paint their names on one side of a Mosque and a neo-nazi group spray paints 'death to all Muslims' on the other side. Is there a difference between these crimes? Is there a difference in intent? Absolutely. The teenagers have committed vandalism. The neo-nazis have committed both vandalism and a targeted act of terrorism against a group of people.

Attacking someone because of their sexual orientation is both battery and a calculated act of terrorism against a group of people.

You don't have to agree with it, but do you at least get the distinction?

I'm aware of the difference, however, if someone hands out flyers and holds a sign saying "Exterminate all left-handed albinos", that is protected speech. What the 'hate crime' lobby is saying is, if the same individual spray paints this message on a wall that is not his property, he is to be punished both for vandalism AND the message; the latter would then be punishment of thoughtcrime.

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The idea is that the crime is politically motivated. It is their status within society that is being targeted not themselves as individuals. What makes it a hate crime is the likelihood of it triggering others to do the same in a way that a non-politically motivated instance of crime would not.

You are smart enough to know this already QM.

Per my previous excellent examples, we can only make assumptions as to the intent of a criminal. Do you seriously think some violent teenaged punk targeting a weaker target has political motivations? How do you prove it? You cannot. A much more plausible but equally unknowable motive is that this school does not swiftly punish offenders for committing acts of violence.


Changing tracks slightly, this video is also an excellent example of how you cannot expect government to save your bacon and watch over you all the time. Every feminine-acting boy--indeed, every picked-on youth--must decide for himself at some point, though he may not like training, whether it would be worthwhile to learn rudimentary boxing or martial arts, or at the very least, how to take a punch. Krav maga on youtube: 25K videos.

Here is the simplest way I can think of to describe it. @quantumushroom

Say some teenagers spray paint their names on one side of a Mosque and a neo-nazi group spray paints 'death to all Muslims' on the other side. Is there a difference between these crimes? Is there a difference in intent? Absolutely. The teenagers have committed vandalism. The neo-nazis have committed both vandalism and a targeted act of terrorism against a group of people.

Attacking someone because of their sexual orientation is both battery and a calculated act of terrorism against a group of people.

You don't have to agree with it, but do you at least get the distinction?

Very cool

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You might like this one where they strap spray paint bottles to the bottom of their skate boards and paint lines on a freshly painted swimming pool:
http://videosift.com/video/Pool-Paint-Party

You might like this one where they strap spray paint bottles to the bottom of their skate boards and paint lines on a freshly painted swimming pool:
http://videosift.com/video/Pool-Paint-Party

You might like this one where they strap spray paint bottles to the bottom of their skate boards and paint lines on a freshly painted swimming pool:
http://videosift.com/video/Pool-Paint-Party

You might like this one where they strap spray paint bottles to the bottom of their skate boards and paint lines on a freshly painted swimming pool:
http://videosift.com/video/Pool-Paint-Party

Saw most of that in Battlefield 2 and 2142. Spray painting is probably CS and TF2 related.

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Not a bad cover - but Kurt is spinning in his grave. I've always wondered about the title - what does "Smells Like Teen Spirit" mean? I suspect that Miley Cyrus smells like teen spirit.

Edit: via Wikipedia:

Cobain came up with the song's title when his friend Kathleen Hanna, at the time the lead singer of the Riot Grrrl punk band Bikini Kill, spray painted "Kurt Smells Like Teen Spirit" on his wall. Since they had been discussing anarchism, punk rock, and similar topics, Cobain interpreted the slogan as having a revolutionary meaning. What Hanna actually meant, however, was that Cobain smelled like the deodorant Teen Spirit, which his then-girlfriend Tobi Vail wore.

I'm pretty sure the sky was falling down there.
>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

>> ^MaxWilder:
Every time you hear about a record breaking weather event, think Global Climate Destabilization (Global Warming). The extra heat in the atmosphere is powering bigger storms every year, both hot and cold. I wonder how long it will be before Faux News gets the message.
>> ^Yogi:
Hey does this have anything to do with Global Climate change?


So for the misanthropic, a hot world enrages the weather to rain down destruction to us all. I got some spray painting to do!

>> ^MaxWilder:

Every time you hear about a record breaking weather event, think Global Climate Destabilization (Global Warming). The extra heat in the atmosphere is powering bigger storms every year, both hot and cold. I wonder how long it will be before Faux News gets the message.
>> ^Yogi:
Hey does this have anything to do with Global Climate change?



So for the misanthropic, a hot world enrages the weather to rain down destruction to us all. I got some spray painting to do!

I know, Green Boy is unhelpful to the point that he seems to be a parody of misdirected enviro efforts. Green Boy is to Captain Planet what the Tick is to Batman.
>> ^lucky760:

Hey Green Boy, those aerosol cans of spray paint probably aren't very good for the environment, nor is it good to spray them on the ground where the rain will wash residual paint into places it could harm marine life.

Hey Green Boy, those aerosol cans of spray paint probably aren't very good for the environment, nor is it good to spray them on the ground where the rain will wash residual paint into places it could harm marine life.

OK. Watching that I really wanted to take a can of spray paint and paint a stripe outward from the center. Just to watch how the line of painted ants migrated through the group.

The paint would probably would just kill those ants though. Which is why my second attempt would involve a can of spray paint and a lighter. Not a fan of ants.

Actually, that's a horrible idea. How do I know?
A certain dumbass (with whom I am no longer acquainted) once saw a huge spider on his front lawn, grabbed a nearby spray paint can, sprayed it, then lit it. (He is deathly afraid of spiders.) The spider promptly ran, still flaming mind you, directly under the house. Let's just say the fire department had to get involved and there was much damage. All over a flaming spider...
I'm more of a *squish* & it's over kinda person myself, but then if everyone did that we wouldn't have these entertaining videos.
>> ^demon_ix:

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>> ^BoneRemake:

"to me end result looked a bit naff.
I mean bit of an arse to make but seems a bit tacky I guess you are just gona eat it and its for a buffet table its not really meant to be high art.
this is like the food equivalent of them space spray painted images. only at least this is edible. "
as seen on http://videosift.com/video/Watermelon-carving
Seems westy is of the high art society calibre.


well thing is the news is drawing atention to this guy but ignoring thousends of other people with just as valid artistic talent or ablity but are maby operating within a more traditoinal way ,

allso i wouldnt have anny issue with what this guy is doing it just seems to me its lacking emgination , if u going to draw on dusty car windows im sure with a bit of thought he can think of some way to use the dust or the car that realy makes something specail with the images. as it is what he is doing is not that difrent from scraping one of them charcholl images , and he is not doing a very good job of it considering he is just coppying a photo.