ME and my roommate were discussing the lack of 'soul' in some musicians, and were using examples like Steve Vai vs. Frank Zappa and say, Yngwie Malmsteen vs. Buckethead, etc (for guitarists) and he brought up the whole Japanese fascination with jazz vs. a lot of her practitioner's technical skills relative to their lack of 'soul' and I was trying to think of an example of a Japanese musician WITH some soul, and could not remember this woman's name as I used her as an exception to the 'soulless', technical performer-

Thanks again Kulpims (pretty sure you first turned me on to this artist here), this woman has the whole soul + technical prowess package²

Ok. let me answer those points...and apologize for the wall of text in advance.
As I said, this was the first time I have ever tried (or even wanted to try) the ignore button, and I found it quite wanting. It's already not working at all, after one day.
It is not at all about a dissenting voice I'm trying to silence or deafen myself to, it's about his personal grating style and the apparent complete lack of self knowledge or examination coupled with vitriol at every chance. It's about trying to avoid people that search for any possible thing to attack, even when they must make mistaken assumptions to find something to be irate about, and appear to do so consistently with glee and zealotry. I welcome dissenting voices, listening to other points of view is the only way one can really evolve socially and intelligently, but when those points of view are always presented with vitriol and insult the message is often quickly lost.
I must ask, how do you come to the translations you have applied to his statements? For instance...
QUOTE:"As to some ' deliberate affectation designed to make me appear intellectual' You might want to check your own understanding of intellectual versus one's perception of self, I tend not to place much credence in the concept, overrated and ultimately soulless when used to assert one's own importance or place the herd over some one else.
Intelligence in the grand schemata, does not necessarily connote wisdom."

your TRANSLATION: i dont know everything and neither do you.
Where I read this as :'I know you are, but what am I?...I don't care about intelligence, intelligence isn't wisdom.' (implying-'and I'm wiser than thou').

If he could have recalled who he was responding to and the numerous personal discussions we have had, where he always ended up backing down and apologizing for his (feigned?) outrage at a mistaken assumption he had made, I probably wouldn't have lost all patience. Having to remind him every time we converse, and having him ignore it in public forums but admit it in private, was infuriatingly frustrating and I gave up. Perhaps that's my failing, but it is one that has raised it's head only once, with him, and I'm not the only one it's happened with (HE mentioned that the 'ignore' button was created in large part because of him, so he knows full well how he is perceived, no matter what his motive).
His clearly stated intention is rabble rousing and jabbing the sleeping sheeple, and I'm tired of the insulting prodding, especially since I'm a newtboy not a sheeple. I have read where he posted that, and I have seen that from him, but for some reason it seems you are telling me that if I say so I'm somehow making his point... that I'm (like ALL others) 'a sleeping idiot that believes only lies and shit, all my ideas are shit, and now that I disagreed with him I'm also a piece of shit'? Sorry, I don't understand that. Perhaps you were referring to a new point he made that I have not read.
My responses in this thread were NOT to Chingy himself (is this who people mean when talking about Choggie?)...but to others commenting about him. I agree, it is becoming a spectacle rather than substance...I feel like that was also the case with most of the threads he took over with walls of ranting anger. I do feel some responsibility for furthering that by engaging him, which is why I tried to ignore him, and things just went downhill from there fast! Now I can't ignore him if I want to read others' comments nearly anywhere on the sift because it seems he's there, everywhere, picking fights and then complaining he's bullied and being posted about instead of the video topic...and here I am doing it too.
F*CK!
The sift was such a nice place for discussion 6 months ago, with all points of view being well respected if not agreed with and few if any trolls beyond QM, and he was fairly respectful. What the hell happened?

@newtboy
fair enough my man.
personally i find the ignore button an un-necessary appendage.it serves no purpose other than to keep my own personal echo chamber free from dissenting voices.

no fun in that at all.

and as you stated.you still see his comments when someone quotes him.so why bother?

while i am reluctant to speak for @chingalera ,allow me to back up my argument in regards to how ya'all are making his case.

i shall channel choggie and attempt to translate his verbal perusings in order to make my case:

QUOTE:"I revel in the destruction of formulaic redundancy, especially when the phenomena occurs from time to time on the sift when a small contingent of back-patters load the place with atheism=great, Christians, etc. (insert faith-based philosophies) =shit, and most political offerings in the form of republicans/conservatives=shit, democrats/liberals=my-shit-doesn't-stink-like-theirs videos. "

TRANSLATION: i detest know-it-all's and will go on the offensive to show them the errors of their ways.

QUOTE:"Also a frequent and predictable phenomena, that a single down-vote, tinctured with an alternative perspective in comments, has the gang come spilling from the douche-works like cockroaches to offer their smarmy, childish two-cents, in order to make themselves feeeeel good. Hate this shit. It shows a lack of a certain social evolution from which I instinctively recoil."

TRANSLATION:it only takes that ONE downvote for other like-minded know-it-alls to come out of the woodwork to add their own smug opinion to belittle a person with a different perspective.i find this a form of bullying and it appalls me.

QUOTE:"As to some ' deliberate affectation designed to make me appear intellectual'
You might want to check your own understanding of intellectual versus one's perception of self, I tend not to place much credence in the concept, overrated and ultimately soulless when used to assert one's own importance or place the herd over some one else.
Intelligence in the grand schemata, does not necessarily connote wisdom."

TRANSLATION: i dont know everything and neither do you.

QUOTE:"Quite simply, when I see atheists deride another belief system with childish and derogatory banter like a gang of hyena stealing meat I treat them like a pack of feral creatures and similarly, I tend to shit on people's assumptions of how the world would be a better place if everyone thought the way "I" do regarding politics.

TRANSLATION: i hate bullies and will call them out every time.

QUOTE:"It's fucking tired and boring and makes the place to myself, look like a very untalented graffiti artist used sub-par aerosols to deface a shrine or temple.

TRANSLATION:i am alone but am fully un-impressed with your boring and unoriginal group-think.

@newtboy
so i guess it all comes down to perception and intent.
how you perceive ching and discern his intent.
though he is incredibly verbose and practices the art of flowery language he has been quite clear on his intentions.

let us examine the responses on this thread shall we?
a number here actually discussed openly chings intentions as if he was not part of this thread.

by discerning his intent and then engaging in a group discussion on that assumption has made chings argument.you guys are behaving exactly as ching accuses you all of being guilty of.

i do not have a problem with @chingalera
but nor do i have a problem with you or @VoodooV or @ChaosEngine.(or anybody else for that matter)

but this has become spectacle rather than substance.
now maybe ching bears some responsibility but that burden is not his alone.
you all bear some responsibility as well....
as do i now..

SONOFA........

I revel in the destruction of formulaic redundancy, especially when the phenomena occurs from time to time on the sift when a small contingent of back-patters load the place with atheism=great, Christians, etc. (insert faith-based philosophies) =shit, and most political offerings in the form of republicans/conservatives=shit, democrats/liberals=my-shit-doesn't-stink-like-theirs videos.

Also a frequent and predictable phenomena, that a single down-vote, tinctured with an alternative perspective in comments, has the gang come spilling from the douche-works like cockroaches to offer their smarmy, childish two-cents, in order to make themselves feeeeel good. Hate this shit. It shows a lack of a certain social evolution from which I instinctively recoil.

Your retort here, predictable as well:
Opening with sarcasm, a self-aggrandizing confession followed-up with an insult with reference to my character. Thank you though, for the black hole comparison, gravity and light do not have a chance of escaping me.

As to some ' deliberate affectation designed to make me appear intellectual'
You might want to check your own understanding of intellectual versus one's perception of self, I tend not to place much credence in the concept, overrated and ultimately soulless when used to assert one's own importance or place the herd over some one else.
Intelligence in the grand schemata, does not necessarily connote wisdom.

Quite simply, when I see atheists deride another belief system with childish and derogatory banter like a gang of hyena stealing meat I treat them like a pack of feral creatures and similarly, I tend to shit on people's assumptions of how the world would be a better place if everyone thought the way "I" do regarding politics.

It's fucking tired and boring and makes the place to myself, look like a very untalented graffiti artist used sub-par aerosols to deface a shrine or temple.

Uhhh, did anyone but Stu name the middle path of not paying attention to the only thing that matters? That being, the one way or the other as to how the media uses device and formula, primarily the time-honored and well-developed tools of distracting the consumers of the same from more pressing issues of economic ass-rape, political hi-jacking, or the subtle steering of peeps to think about complete horseshit as opposed to the ruse being perpetrated to hijack their minds and culture to their own ends?

Men, women, all being congealed into distracted humans who will buy more of and believe more of the shit they want you to, in order to increase the coffers of powerful cabals. Ever play RISK? It's not about only land and the human resource anymore, the model of the now is mass-media luring you into a stupor to make you think about shit, and work for more shit, to turn humanity into a soulless Energizer bunnies, who THINK they have a clue.

It sounds just like every nameless, soulless piece of shit song out there, which is kinda the point, I guess.

Soulless eight-eyed spawn of Hell!

j/k

Seems clear that expectations have diminished to almost zero. Television is, for the most part, cheap fly on the wall crap, repeats, or C list "celebrity" embarrassment - what next, celebrity ass swap? Films insult our intelligence with "adaptations" (copies) or parts 1,2,3,4,5. As for music, it has become a soulless dirge-for the most part. How the hell did the skyfall theme get an award? Another case in point is David Bowie's latest "creation." It's simplistic, banal and self indulgent crap. BTW, I think Bowie and Adele are great, but are we running out of ideas and inspiration?

Because the chicks horribly flat and incurably soulless. The cat on the Gretsch?? He's mediocre at best...Nice guitar collection though, I am certain he would rather showcase that that his flat voice or less-than-stellar acoustic skills. Sorry man. As a musician I am my own worst critic as well!

My first impulse was to downvote but I am trying hard to make fewer enmie this go-round, and folks get testy when an "arggh" vote comes!!

wow.such a narcissistic,self-absorbed twat pretending to be a human being.
a thin veneer of ineffectual platitudes dressed up as syrupy-sweet affectations.
just pure diabetic vomit.
a bile that regurgitates from the soulless and the totally sociopathic.
an attempt to deflower the empathic and compassionate.
the genuine and human..
in order to bask in her own putrid self-glorification.

His dead, Shark-like eyes are reminding me of the cold stare of David Mitchell. This soulless creature is only trying to trick us!

>> ^Jinx:

>> ^Boise_Lib:
Trying to be fair.
The person who began Progressive Insurance may not even have been aware of this until now. The machine is evil, but the person may not be (possibly--maybe).

Isn't this pretty much the problem though. Who makes the machine, and is it evil or just soulless? Seems to be a proxy through which accountability of actions is lost completely.
Perhaps a PR disaster really is the best way to fight the "machine" in the only language it'll ever understand - profit.


I think the line is 'just following orders'.

>> ^Boise_Lib:

Trying to be fair.
The person who began Progressive Insurance may not even have been aware of this until now. The machine is evil, but the person may not be (possibly--maybe).

Isn't this pretty much the problem though. Who makes the machine, and is it evil or just soulless? Seems to be a proxy through which accountability of actions is lost completely.

Perhaps a PR disaster really is the best way to fight the "machine" in the only language it'll ever understand - profit.

They'll stop eulogizing about it when the people who hate them stop eulogizing against them and trying to convince society that they need to be treated as something less than human. Or more likely, when society as a whole recognizes their homophobic rants as the soulless and intellectually stunted ideas that they are and ignores them, without an audience they will lose any power they once had and can privately stew in their own hate as much as they like.

>> ^chilaxe:

>> ^NetRunner:
A real TED talk would be titled "The Impact of Technology on Society in the 21st Century: From the Android phone to Androids, and Beyond" and would be given by an unassuming but compelling professor of some sort, rather than a businessman intent on making himself a physical manifestation of pure hubris.
But, good idea for a viral marketing campaign.

They're positioning him like a Steve Jobs or Craig Venter: the guys who can make the future work years before anyone else can figure it out.


Ah, a soulless sociopath.

(Jobs, not Venter. They really don't belong in the same sentence or thought process.)