>> ^Gallowflak:

Super awesome.
As a composer/musician/smurf, I find that most of the music that might fall under "electronica" is the immediate pleasure; it's easy to assemble and instantly satisfying. It's also the easiest way to make money. "Classical" music is the ultimate compositional challenge and nothing engages me so fully as the process of creating it.
Still, I don't think that's a reason to frown on trance/electronica/whatever. Snobbery and elitism never gets anyone anywhere and if an individual finds reward and a creative outlet in electronic music, they deserve nothing but encouragement.
TLDR; elitism in the field of creativity sucks huge balls.


I desagree , to make a comercaily sucsessfull and noticable Dance track is just as hard as making anny other form of music if not harder due to the saturatoin of music in this ganra because of its accessablity.

I would argue its far esear to make money from "classical" music as you can produce classical music of a very low standerd (relative to productoin quality of whats out there) but people will haplily hand over mor cash for it because of the bullshit factor.

allso most musicians make money from doing sound tracks and acompanying music rather than music bought directly by the publick and fact is general trancy stuff is not realy wanted that much , over basic clasical style music or just general music ( the sort u hear in tv programs or documentries or acompanying games).


But as you say , in the end its not realy important so long as the end product is injoyable the complexity is not realy an issue.

Super awesome.

As a composer/musician/smurf, I find that most of the music that might fall under "electronica" is the immediate pleasure; it's easy to assemble and instantly satisfying. It's also the easiest way to make money. "Classical" music is the ultimate compositional challenge and nothing engages me so fully as the process of creating it.

Still, I don't think that's a reason to frown on trance/electronica/whatever. Snobbery and elitism never gets anyone anywhere and if an individual finds reward and a creative outlet in electronic music, they deserve nothing but encouragement.

TLDR; elitism in the field of creativity sucks huge balls.

the fuck is this for a fix? You shouldn't just change the embed to some random vid that has something to do with the vid in question. And now no one will be able to see the actual screenshot and lenght of the video that was actually called *dead in the first place. I remember it and it had nothing to do with this.

ps. necromancer snobbery perhaps...but still

I hate sellouts, leaving their honest art to leverage their god given talent to become internationally successful and share their watered down art with billions globally.

I hate artists, wrapped up in snobbery, convinced they're better than everyone else because their lack of actual talent, forces them to suffer in poverty and obscurity while the rest of us spend each day trying to make a living.

Give me the genuine talented performer who doesnt do it for the art or the money - but the joy it brings other people.

>> ^dag:
^Well, I don't have a TV- just my iMac. real estate counts for a bit more when you are on a small screen.
If it's something epic like 2001 I would not stretch it. If it's something like "Semi-Pro", then fill my screen please. Also, the Mac is widescreen already, so it's not much of a stretch.
You guys are like coffee snobs.


A Mac owner complaining about someone being snobbish, hurr...

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^Well, I don't have a TV- just my iMac. real estate counts for a bit more when you are on a small screen.

If it's something epic like 2001 I would not stretch it. If it's something like "Semi-Pro", then fill my screen please. Also, the Mac is widescreen already, so it's not much of a stretch.

You guys are like coffee snobs.

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^The above exchange really made me lol, so naturally had to upvote both.

As for coffee snobbery, I suppose you'd really get that anywhere. People, for whatever reason, feel the incessant need to 1) let others know their opinion, and 2) make sure that the listener knows that their opinion is correct. Case in point....this post I just wrote.

But where as I can do so without the least bit of snobbery (well, now that I just wrote that, it does sound a bit snobbish), coffee-bitch can't. Ah well...what can you do? Here's to your cup o' Joe, Dag.

Croissant? I think you misspelled your username by one letter. [/snobbery]

Ahh yes, Coffee Snobbery... Gee, if you think it's bad in Brisbane, come down to Melbourne for a while... We RULE in being coffee snobs.

I'm guilty of it to a certain degree, but not much really. I have a home espresso machine, had a course to learn how to make them properly, and LOVE those that I make (if I do say so myself... which I did).

BUT.

I also quite like McDonald's McCafe coffee too (Which, of course, was a MELBOURNE invention, only now rolling out to McDonalds around the world... we have espresso coffee places everywhere. It used to surprise and amuse me to find hardware stores, plant nurseries, hospitals, car yards etc. with espresso bars, but no longer, in fact, I kinda expect it now).

I really don't like Starbucks espresso coffee, but have been known to have it, and in the States it's actually in the higher end of chain places (sadly).

However I don't poor scorn on people who have it, each to their own I guess, and Starbucks does seem to actually do a fair few things right as an empire (pushing for Fair Trade coffee, having their old grounds there in the store for you to take free for your garden etc.).

And I get your preference to filter coffee, well, being an American it's understandable

It amazed me that in all the large stores there in the states there were a huge variety of drip filter coffee machines available to buy and I couldn't find ONE espresso machine. I did find a 'pod' coffee machine, but that's kinda not the same, and very wasteful.

Here in Australia you go into a department store and they'll have the same amount of floorspace given over to espresso machines with maybe a couple of filter machines tucked away at the back.

And yes, that would have been a fine comeback to the woman

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^See now, that's just another form of snobbery. Brisbanites are urbane sophisticates.

Makes sense. Principle is important.

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To counter the forces of beer snobbery. (Actually I like microbrews too, and I think PBR tastes like piss, but it's the principle of the matter. I was born on the wrong side of the tracks, and I refuse to betray my white trash roots.)

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I have to ask...why Pabst Blue Ribbon (on your profile)?

To counter the forces of beer snobbery. (Actually I like microbrews too, and I think PBR tastes like piss, but it's the principle of the matter. I was born on the wrong side of the tracks, and I refuse to betray my white trash roots.)

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I have to ask...why Pabst Blue Ribbon (on your profile)?

whats with all this "i cant believe theyre laughing" snobbery

what are you assholes 14 and got your first period and are like, so mature!?

fuck that, this talk was designed to be entertaining. sex is fun and it can and should often be funny. its ok sweety, youll know youve really matured when your comfortable enough to show someone your butthole for giggles.

yes, a sift within the sift. i feel some snobbery coming on.

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maybe we should all form some kind of coalition. a coalition of cool sifters.

In reply to this comment by guessandcheck:
eklek is another that comes to mind. great sifters all around.

In reply to this comment by bamdrew:
you'll probably like a lot of what Farhad sifts, too (in case you havn't dug around in his archives yet)... I messenged him about that Grizzly Bear video right when I promoted it and he replied how he was actually listening to them a bunch these past couple of days as well.

http://www.videosift.com/video/Doves-Sea-Song