Men walkin' 'long the railroad tracks
Goin' someplace there's no goin' back
Highway patrol choppers comin' up over the ridge

Hot soup on a campfire under the bridge
Shelter line stretchin' 'round the corner
Welcome to the new world order
Families sleepin' in their cars in the Southwest
No home no job no peace no rest

The highway is alive tonight
But nobody's kiddin' nobody about where it goes
I'm sittin' down here in the campfire light
Searchin' for the ghost of Tom Joad

He pulls a prayer book out of his sleeping bag
Preacher lights up a butt and takes a drag
Waitin' for when the last shall be first and the first shall be last
In a cardboard box 'neath the underpass
Got a one-way ticket to the promised land
You got a hole in your belly and gun in your hand
Sleeping on a pillow of solid rock
Bathin' in the city aqueduct

The highway is alive tonight
Where it's headed everybody knows
I'm sittin' down here in the campfire light
Waitin' on the ghost of Tom Joad

Now Tom said "Mom, wherever there's a cop beatin' a guy
Wherever a hungry newborn baby cries
Where there's a fight 'gainst the blood and hatred in the air
Look for me Mom I'll be there
Wherever there's somebody fightin' for a place to stand
Or decent job or a helpin' hand
Wherever somebody's strugglin' to be free
Look in their eyes Mom you'll see me."

Well the highway is alive tonight
But nobody's kiddin' nobody about where it goes
I'm sittin' down here in the campfire light
With the ghost of old Tom Joad

Also, the thumbnail sort of spoils the joke.

In the seals' defense, that tent was probably warmer to lie on than the wet mud/ice of the beach. Ground mats, sleeping bags and all.

Applying external heat to a hypothermic person is a great way to put their body into shock. Dry them off, cover them and insulate them. The worst thing you can do is try to heat them up too quickly.

When the body becomes hypothermic all the blood rushes away from the extremities and to the centre of the body, protecting the major organs, particularly the brain heart and lungs. Warming the person using external heat makes the blood rush to the area which is being heated and away from the brain heart and lungs.

I work as a rescue person at a sailing lake in the UK and we have to deal with a lot of hypothermic people in the middle of winter. All they want to do is go and get in a warm shower, and when they do you end up with heads split open from when they pass out from the shock.

A properly wrapped up person will warm up (as long as they aren't too far gone, which the person in the video clearly wasn't). It won't be what they want to do, and it's not what feels the most comfortable to them, but it is the safest option for them.

we used to be advised to put the hypothermic person in a sleeping bag with another person. This changed when it was found that more often than not this ended up with two hypothermic people, as the cold person chilled the well person faster than they could support.

It was a very brave thing for the guy to do, stripping off in those conditions isn't comfortable or easy, and he did it for a great reason. It just wasn't necessarily the right thing to do.

>> ^VoodooV:

gee, shiny resorts to harassment? color me shocked!
I'm sorry, but ill say it again, people like shiny need to be kicked out of here. It has nothing to do with conservatism or religion, these people simply don't contribute to civil discourse. I know plenty of conservative/religious people who are capable of engaging in civil debate and discourse, Shiny or QM, and others aren't among these people
They drop their talking points and move on to the next sift. That's not debate, that's not discourse. And you certainly can't have rational discussions with someone who no matter what, thinks you need to be saved and doesn't view you as an equal human being and him and his god are always correct and you're always wrong. It's not conducive to rational discussion and quite frankly, it's simply not healthy, period.
And yes, it is trolling.
Remember that even though they seem to be an endangered species, there are actual rational right wingers out there. You may disagree with them, but they can actually debate civilly without regurgitating Fox News or Theistic propaganda.


This is such an old response and thread, but I thought I'd say it anyway as I really want it said in here.

I've met, actually, a great many people that are very set in their theistic mindset, but like you said they also don't think I'm going to burn in a pit of fire come the end of time; in fact quite a few of them would be morally outraged if such a thing occurred--as they literally know, like me, that the difference between believing in God and not, is merely a thought away (or you could say, one neuron connection/pathway away).

There are a few that believe in fire and brimstone type things, but they only--typically--reserve it for the greatest of crimes (like an Adolf Hitler or Pol Pot). Even fewer still that believe that there is a harsh judgment remaining for a lot of people, but they tend to believe that there is a way to "return" or to repent there--in the "lake of fire" and come back a new person.

BUT, the ones that think there IS a hell, absolute and horrifying in all it's glory, these are ALSO the very same people that cannot have a rational discussion with you. It's very strange. It's as though their ability to actively decide whether actions in play are moral or not are by definition an unanswerable question until they have been told by someone ELSE what that answer is: either the Bible, other religious members, or talk show hosts, and you get my picture. THESE are the dangerous people.

It reminds me of the story in the Old Testament, in Numbers 15:32-36 (for those that wish to read it). Now I know many *newer* religions, get around this stuff by saying they use the New Testament (it has it's fun stuff too, but for now, let's just do this one) due to Christ's Salvation and his, yada yada yada yada yada--I heard this for a long time myself as a Mormon and in some Catholic services I went to.

This guy collects what is essentially firewood on the Sabbath (this was back in the day when not having a fire active in your house/hut/tent/whatever at night could literally mean death--in case you've never been out camping/hiking, fires are VERY important and are a DAMNED LUXURY with our matches, steel wool, sleeping bags made to hold in heat, and other items that make a night in the wilderness go by--gently and one could say comfortably fun).

Instead of just collecting this firewood, making a meal and going to bed, this guy gets caught for working on the Sabbath and is taken to Moses and Aaron. So we all know what that little commandment this is, the one EVERYONE disobeys now (It goes by either of these two definitions and there are more versions--trust me: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. -OR- Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.). So God buzzes Moses on the iGodphone™ and tells Moses the bad news, or well the good news and the bad news. The bad news is that "unnamed villager" will be taken outside the encampment, with what sounds like most of the people and then stoned to death. The good news, is they get to stone someone (sorry, but back then and with the regularity of which stoning happened I really think people enjoyed it when these edicts came on down...)!

SO, I've seen this tale said many a time and I CANNOT believe the amount of heads I see move up and down while this is repeated. They LITERALLY agree with cold-blooded murder in the first-degree, for GATHERING FIREWOOD!!! In the damned ages BEFORE the Dark Ages-life SUCKED! You NEEDED FIRE!!! It wasn't a question of maybe I'll skip it tonight it was a matter of when do I start it up--every night! So you can see why people like this can be dangerous as someone from on high that they think is their leader gives them what essentially is a crime, they don't think to long about it--they act, and carry out whatever truly horrifying act it was.

This has been abused by many Cult leaders, like the "Alien Comet riders" or also known as Heaven's Gate in California or something even MORE horrifying like Jonestown (something that was horrific--there are some GREAT documentaries on this to watch,; I suggest looking for them) or something semi-recent like (straight from wiki), "The 778 deaths of members of the Ugandan group Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God, on March 17, 2000, is considered to be a mass murder and suicide orchestrated by leaders of the group.", so you can see while large religions don't do these WILD events they DO slowly in fact do smaller and incrementally increase their crimes.

You might ask what crimes, but it is literally crimes that we can point to that are AGAINST the VERY FABRIC of your own teachings. Use the Golden Rule in your life and get rid of the authority driven craziness, it will only lead you to sadness, if you're a zealot--fight it within yourself.
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So, anyway, what I'm saying is that I very much agree that there ARE many people that are theistic believers (not just Christan ones mind you) that are GREAT to talk to and many times you don't even have to argue with them you can have laid back conversations with them--it's amazing who you run into.

BUT, for the people I mentioned they are nearly lost causes. I don't know exactly what their problem is but it does have something to do with the fact that they MUST be told a "truth" by a "high-ranking-official" for them to change a stance. They are TRUE believers, ZEALOTS to their cause and dangerous.

A little bit the same as you said @VoodooV, but I thought I'd add a few more nails into that coffin.

I separated this into two comments for appropriate "Sarcasm" tag usage.
I think KO is gonna have a heart attack on stage one day.
Besides I think the Batman people booked hotels, bought food and brought money with them to New York. A little bit more than drum circles and sleeping bags. So while Batman blocked the streets and caused horrible traffic for a couple of days, my guess is that there was a net tax gain for the city despite tax breaks. That's why so many cities like Detroit or Chicago are begging for movies to be shot there.

Besides, the police needed to practice their fight scene on the OWS people.

Sorry didn't have enough room for the correct spelling of Zuccotti.

A recent update is that there has been a court order by a NY Judge that the protesters can return, but without their equipment such as tents, sleeping bags, also overnight camping is banned.

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/11/15/zuccotti_park_encampemnt_ocuppy_wall_street_protesters_cleared_from_park_by_nypd.html

This should be done in every city. Tents and sleeping bags...it should be a true occupation of whatever park you're in. Here in Seattle the Mayor won't allow tents...I say wherever that's happening you get the protesters to lock arms and you erect the tents as fast as you can. Be peaceful...but force a confrontation and force them to try and take your stuff.

@bcglorf - neither of those examples you gave are responses to the American protests, and that's all that's relevant to this video. On the flip-side, OWS would like to see your 0 and raise you 5:

In NYC: Mayor Bloomberg has forcibly tried (and failed) to evict the protesters from the park (with riot police) so that they don't have to put up with them any more. They were going to be allowed back after a clean, but not with sleeping bags or equipment and with a ban on lieing down! This would have breached the protesters first amendment rights.

In Denver: More reports of police brutality, with protesters surrounded and dispersed with riot police, media tents also being torn down

In DC: 6 protesters arrested on charges of "unlawful conduct" for protesting in Capitol building

In Trenton: Plain clothes officers seize equipment and computers

On Wall Street itself: Worker ID's are now required to walk down the street

Obama is listening, but he's not listening to the protesters, instead he's listening to his military advisers, with a recent announcement that America will be sending troops to Central Africa to "fight against the Lord's Resistance Army" (no joke, look it up). 369,000 troops in 150 countries was not enough apparently.

I don't disagree that the OWS movement isn't going to do a whole lot immediately as far as policy and correcting the disparity. I hung out at an OWS function in my town today and wrote what i think it's impact could/should/might/would love to see it be in a sift talk post. go read it if you're interested. i'm not whoring, i just would love to have the discussion, but im not going to have it two places. >> ^NetRunner:

>> ^Sarzy:
I don't know -- I think their heart is in the right place, but I guess I just question the efficacy of what the OWS people are doing on a practical level. Even if they somehow succeed in getting tighter regulations on Wall Street, is that really going to do much to to fix the whole 99 vs 1 percent income disparity? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that here in Canada, we don't have the same level of unchecked financial shenanigans as you do over there, which is why we weren't hit quite as hard by the recent downturn. But our income disparity is still pretty much as bad as what it is in the States. I don't think anything short of a massive political and cultural overhaul will fix that disparity to any meaningful degree, and obviously that's not going to happen.
But maybe I have OWS all wrong -- I'll admit that I'm not the most informed guy ever.

Oh, I have the same doubts about how well this will work, but up until now the only public "protest" we've seen has been a bunch of grumpy old men demonstrating against having a Democrat in the White House having a black man in the Oval office government regulation of banks, taxes being too high on the top 1%, and the possibility that we might get some sort of national health care overhaul.
In other words, all the people getting mad and going out on the streets lately have been pro-disparity people.
At least now we have people protesting against the right problem. And these people aren't just protesting for a single day and going home, they're bringing their sleeping bags and parking there for the duration. That seems to me like a crucial first step towards getting anything fixed.
Maybe I'm naive to be inspired by it, but it's the first reason I've had in a while to feel hopeful about the future.

>> ^Sarzy:

I don't know -- I think their heart is in the right place, but I guess I just question the efficacy of what the OWS people are doing on a practical level. Even if they somehow succeed in getting tighter regulations on Wall Street, is that really going to do much to to fix the whole 99 vs 1 percent income disparity? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that here in Canada, we don't have the same level of unchecked financial shenanigans as you do over there, which is why we weren't hit quite as hard by the recent downturn. But our income disparity is still pretty much as bad as what it is in the States. I don't think anything short of a massive political and cultural overhaul will fix that disparity to any meaningful degree, and obviously that's not going to happen.
But maybe I have OWS all wrong -- I'll admit that I'm not the most informed guy ever.


Oh, I have the same doubts about how well this will work, but up until now the only public "protest" we've seen has been a bunch of grumpy old men demonstrating against having a Democrat in the White House having a black man in the Oval office government regulation of banks, taxes being too high on the top 1%, and the possibility that we might get some sort of national health care overhaul.

In other words, all the people getting mad and going out on the streets lately have been pro-disparity people.

At least now we have people protesting against the right problem. And these people aren't just protesting for a single day and going home, they're bringing their sleeping bags and parking there for the duration. That seems to me like a crucial first step towards getting anything fixed.

Maybe I'm naive to be inspired by it, but it's the first reason I've had in a while to feel hopeful about the future.

>> ^Raigen:

Your dignity?
cuddles wth his glow-in-the-dark "He-Man and the Masters of the Universe" sleeping bag from his closet


[cuddles with his 35+(?) years old blanket]

http://lyrics.wikia.com/John_K._Samson:Heart_Of_The_Continent

The north wind sinks the fence around a lot full of debris
near the corner of Memorial and me
Where resurrected brick and drywall lead back into place
there's a terrified reflection on my face
All alone at the gleaming knife display at the army surplus sales
as the dusk descends and my inspiration fails
Ghost-filled discount parkas, sleeping bags
peer at me from the crumpled dark

Inky bruises punched into the sky by bolts of light
and then leak across the body of tonight
While rain and thunder drop and roll then stop short of a storm
leave the air stuck with this waiting to be born
As I stand before an unresponsive automatic door
just another door that won't open for me anymore
The exit red gets brighter then blinks off
presses me into the crumpled dark

There's a billboard by the highway
that says welcome to, bienvenue
but no sign to show you when you go away
And our demolitions punctuate
all we mean to save then leave too late
So I make my shaky exclamation mark
with a hand full of
the crumpled dark

Your dignity?

*cuddles wth his glow-in-the-dark "He-Man and the Masters of the Universe" sleeping bag from his closet*

Can you imagine waking up with one of those in your sleeping bag....

Yes, you're a loser. What a big loser to have some hot chick following you around wanting to lay with you in a sleeping bag. Idiot.

Also, was it just me, or were you waiting for her to start dancing to Daft Punk?