tellin' ya man, "Menfolk, hide yer daughters!"...."and sit up straight when ya' croon, ya' freakin' zombie square!!??"


Glaxo-Smithe-Kline should use this for an anti-depressant advert-

Persephone, in the context of the argument, I'm assuming you're including me in what you see as the malicious portion of VS, so here are my thoughts.

I did my level best to speak to you as a person, and make points that could be argued for or against using facts and logic. (You have, in fact, corrected me at least once for an untrue statement that I made.) I quoted from papers that you yourself cited, as well as an admittedly brief analysis of the papers, including weaknesses and commentary on their own use. I did my best to avoid personal attacks, but perhaps I stepped over the line. I feel that I did not, but if I did, then I apologize.

However, I did respond in such a large volume due to several reasons. One, the level of vigor with which you defended homeopathy, compared to the level of confidence that I have in my belief that homeopathy is indefensible medically and scientifically, made me feel that I should express my position. (I responded to other sifters in comparable depth to their own comments.) Second, I like fostering discussion in my collective, which has educated me to a number of new things, and which is what keeps bringing me back to VS. And third, I responded due to a part of a comment you made:

"So, Gluonium, have you even managed to make a baby, least of all sit up in the wee hours of the night trying to soothe one screaming from pain? No? It takes a big brave heart to get through parenting the early childhood years. In case you haven't been there yet, don't be too quick to rule out what you'll try, in an effort to care for a child in great need."

That comment, be it driven or not by Gluoniom's previous comments or even my own, was, I feel, unfair and not in the spirit of level-headed discourse. It amounted to a personal attack of your own, calling into question your fellow sifter's personal experiences, or lack thereof, which added nothing to the current topic at hand. In this case, the emotional need for a parent to care for one's child has nothing to do with the legitimacy of a specific method of care. It's like saying, I'm grieving for a loved one who has passed and am dealing with that grief by visiting a psychic, you can't say psychics are bunk because you haven't lost a loved one and felt the need to see them again.

In addition to that, even assuming that your life experiences had been topical, in the context of a scientific debate, which rests upon factual evidence, most life stories are a result of the truth at best, and distractions from the truth at worst; they are not considered to be always representative of facts. It's the same reason why politicians like to tell stories about the little kids they met, it's because it's relatively easy to take a single case and use it in whatever way one wants. There's a saying among scientists: "The plural of anecdote is not data." So, especially in my collective, anecdotes do not always add something to a conversation.

So, perhaps I was in the wrong for something I wrote. I do believe that other sifters said things that did more to damage conversation than aid it. But, that being said, I feel that you also stepped out of line in your own comments.

In the future, I will certainly do my best to keep a civil tongue in my head where appropriate, although I will not stop debating issues that may upset others by virtue of their content alone. I would hope that you, and all other sifters, also take this mindset to heart.

Sorry Farhad, my point about using what works was actually in reaction to Gluonium's presumption about me having "believer syndrome". If I'd double-checked the line up of name to comment, I would have realised my mistake.

So, Gluonium, have you even managed to make a baby, least of all sit up in the wee hours of the night trying to soothe one screaming from pain? No? It takes a big brave heart to get through parenting the early childhood years. In case you haven't been there yet, don't be too quick to rule out what you'll try, in an effort to care for a child in great need.

Homeopathics are not expensive. A vial which costs about $8US lasts us a year. Don't presume to know anything about me, Farhad. I stick with what works, it's got noting to do with belief. Try sitting up all night with a baby screaming with symptoms that the hospital emergency ward can offer nothing other than antibiotics for, and no explanation for the child's symptoms and see how quick you are to try whatever seems to work.
I think you coud do with some real life experience to broaden your mind a little. I choose alternatives to antibiotics because I endured an entire childhood being fed them and they did more damage than good. Antibiotics are overused by many GPs and this is causing big problems for the fight against superbugs.

Tags changed from "sit-up, exercise, walrus" to "sit-up, exercise, walrus,seal, rocky" by gold star member joedirt.

LOL.. posted a day later and it has more votes..
http://www.videosift.com/video/A-Seal-doing-sit-ups

I think the midget's laughing/coughing is preventing the camel from sitting up/down... but seriously wtf.

Ok here's an observation/critique, from a non-gamer, non-computer geek, forty-something, who spent more time out-of-doors in the first five years of his life, than most of the folks who approached orgasm, giggling like anime chimps as they watched this, have in their entire collective lives, extant:

HehehHAHHA HOHO!! (cause LMAO is a form of cancer chog just can't bring himself to indulge in)

-Have some pals who have played this, and I have watched in horror, as hours, days, weeks, months, and adolescence was wasted, netting them ill-health, and the inability to function socially or process sunlight effectively.

But, like any vidoe-game, this was fun for the first 10 minutes, and we found something better, like a reefer and sit-ups!
.....I lied, watched the whole thing!! HAHHHHAHHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHHAHHAIHAUKGLKJTAHR!