Oh.
My.
GURD.

First of all, Mr. and Mrs. VooDooV, please, do this little experiment for the entire group and speak aloud the way you responded to my last block of text...
INTO A MIRROR-

The same Gastroesophageal reflex is encountered when proposing an argument to someone who refuses to engage in argument:

How many times have you heard the following statement by someone so eloquently clueless about what it is that's being discussed? "Well if you don't like it here, then why don't you move to Russia!?!

Or with a born-again Christian, OR rabid Atheist when their storehouse of personal illusion is dashed against the rock-hard crags when they wander too near an unfamiliar shoreline? Sounds something like this:

"Well, I believe I the way I do because with your way of thinking, you could go to hell but I can be sure this way that I am going to heaven!" -(quickly followed by ego-driven denial, then ostracization)

I refuse to engage quite simply, because you have like I have so many times before in my frustration with idiots and imbeciles, punks and thugs (and government insects employed by the state), showed the world your ass-card.

I'll admit everything I've been accused of when in the initial heat and frustration of being misunderstood I go off half-coked and wax mean-But here, and recently as I've conducted the experiment with vehement far-left liberal shit-thinkers, those who accuse e of foul-play remain solid in their own denial THAT THEIR SHIT STINKS!

Get it? All shit stinks mate, that the shitter doesn't realize it is not the concern of another shitter.

You have been awarded 1 Power Point for fixing the embed code for Dead Pool video Deal - Jerry Garcia Band @ Shoreline Amphi, Sept 1, 1990. Thank you for helping maintain VideoSift's reliability.

Really like this song. How do you interpret the lyrics? I've never been sure what exactly to make of them.

We saw the western coast
I saw the hospital
Nursed the shoreline like a wound
Reports of lover's tryst
Were neither clear nor descript
We kept it safe and slow
The quiet things that no one ever knows

[Chorus: x2]
So keep the blood in your head
And keep your feet on the ground
If today's the day it gets tired
Today's the day we drop out
Gave up my body and bed
All for an empty hotel
Wasting words on lower cases and capitals

I contemplate the day we wed
Your friends are boring me to death
Your veil is ruined in the rain
By then it's you I can do without
There's nothing new to talk about
And though our kids are blessed
Their parents let them shoulder all the blame

[Chorus: x2]
So keep the blood in your head
And keep your feet on the ground
If today's the day it gets tired
Today's the day we drop out
Gave up my body and bed
All for an empty hotel
Wasting words on lower cases and capitals

[Bridge: x2]
I lie for only you
And I lie well...
Hallelu...

[Chorus: x2 (words from bridge continued in the background)]
So keep the blood in your head
And keep your feet on the ground
Today's the day it gets tired
Today's the day we drop out
Gave up my body and bed
All for an empty hotel
Wasting words on lower cases and capitals

Yeah no shit, that vortex is right next to a shoreline in question...

I was once in a pub overlooking the main harbour of Vancouver in Washington State. A herd(?) of sealions were on their sides in the middle of the harbour, sunning themselves. I caught a glimpse of orca fins at the mouth of the harbour slipping below the water's surface. I knew what was about to happen.
Suddenly the orcas came up out of the water from below the sea lions catching them completely unaware. As pub patrons gasped in shock and awe, there were sea lions screaming and swimming like hell for the shoreline as the whales ripped into them. It was simultaneously horrifying and mesmerizing...

Why did they keep trying to swim back towards / climb back on the ice, when the shoreline is right there....?

I like that we can see a little of what is going on for people from there, and I think people should help. And I think we have a lot of people in this country who would gladly go there if they knew they were going to have a place to stay, food to eat, and transportation to get to where the work needed to be done....and some assurances they won't develop cancer or some other illness and drop dead in 5-10 years because they went there to help.

But as with all things, unless you know someone there who has their finger on the pulse of the situation and has contacts in the government...you will go there and be told "The best thing you can do right now is go home." unless you're famous......then they'll put you in front of some cameras and try to keep you happy so you don't go on talk shows and tell people how horribly bad it is there.

We have a lot of people who were just recently cut off from unemployment benefits (up to 2+ months ago) who would love to have a chance to go down there to help and draw a pay check to keep their house and such that they are in the process of losing. Small sidenote: What's funny is that the unemployment benefits got cut off....and now our unemployment percentages went from ~17% to ~10%...amazing they all found jobs...or stopped bothering to report their unemployment state since they aren't getting benefits from it....news hasn't investigated it.

These documentaries show there are things that need to be done, there's a real problem that having solid, useful information could help in applying an overwhelming workforce to the problem to overcome it. They just have to make sure that this overwhelming workforce isn't setting themselves up for death in 10 years because they weren't told that handling this stuff or being near it would result in cancer/internal organ failure/etc. And letting that kind of information out would make BP look bad, because it's not just dirty oil that kills all the wildlife..but it's dirty oil that kills all the wildlife and will continue to kill anything in the area for years to come.

I know at least 3 people and probably another half dozen who'd love to take their machinery down there to help out, as long as any damage caused to the machinery is going to be reimbursed (oily/sandy grit is not a good combination for moving parts) and they draw a paycheck to cover expenses of being there and their homes.

I wondered why they didn't dig a ditches in the beach lines, line them with plastic and slope them toward a pit or some kind of area where a pump can suck up the stuff making it to land to be processed there. Separate out the oil to a tanker, have 2-3 tankers making rounds to keep up with the oil and pump the water back out into the ocean. Sure some of the oil and stuff would be absorbed, but at least you're mitigating the absorption to an area near where your ditches are. You'd need some people on-site to make sure the ditches aren't getting plugged with debris and aren't eroding to the point of being useless. And then you'd probably have to dig new ditches with the tide. I can't tell what that raking and putting stuff in trashbags is doing to help the clean up in any significant way.


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[ ] = pump pit Pump Pit
And the editor basically butchered my little sketch, so there'd be some spacing between the | ditch lines and the [ ] pit would be larger to allow for more pumps to work on the same pit.

Something like that, you'd have to redig the | lines when the tide washes in and fills them...maybe use metal channels that are plastic lined that can be lifted out and move off so the tide doesn't fill them making them hard to lift or wash them away. And redig them once it recedes and put the metal channels back in place. And probably need something strong enough to hold the weight of a mini-excavator or back-hoe to clear the mouth of the | channels as stuff builds up in the mouth of them...so you can drive across the | channels to get to the problem areas.

Not sure how they could approach the swamp/marshland type areas, maybe focus their boats and booms more heavily in them to catch anything that the beach pumps don't draw in.....then setup fleets in the heart of the oil masses to suck up as much as they can before it gets close to shorelines. If the beach ditches worked out well, and the pumps were more than able to keep up with the natural water flow...they could be spread out some because they would pull the majority of the water toward the ditches.

You sound like the Joker after Batman burns him in a vat of toxic waste - "You created me!"

>> ^quantumushroom:

...where they could be capped in less than TWO MONTHS. Also, congrats to the greens for preventing drilling in ANWR, on 1% of 1% of a people-less sheet of ice. Because caribou self-esteem is more important than energy dependency.

>> ^entr0py:
You're absolutely right. This disaster is the best proof yet that environmentalists were insane to not want oil rigs close to the shoreline.

...where they could be capped in less than TWO MONTHS. Also, congrats to the greens for preventing drilling in ANWR, on 1% of 1% of a people-less sheet of ice. Because caribou self-esteem is more important than energy dependency.


>> ^entr0py:

You're absolutely right. This disaster is the best proof yet that environmentalists were insane to not want oil rigs close to the shoreline.

>> ^quantumushroom:

It's 'green tyranny' that forces oil exploration in deep, dangerous waters instead of on land or shallow waters. Huge disconnect there.
"You" and the media elected the kenyan marxist, one of the biggest recipients of BP welfare checks. Thank goodness his incompetence matches his inexplicable hatred of capitalism.
November can't get here fast enough.


You're absolutely right. This disaster is the best proof yet that environmentalists were insane to not want oil rigs close to the shoreline.

First of all, I never said "international waters" because the Mediterranean is not.

Secondly if there is "paint ball" guns, then you are an idiot if you think the military carries paint ball guns used by children. These are military weapons used often in Iraq and other places because the "paint balls" contain chemical weapons. These are know as less lethal crowd control weapons.

These marines illegal boarded a vessel with many many fully automatic assault weapons and shot people. Anyone trying to point to a paint ball gun like it justifies piracy and murder is really pathetic and sadly trying to justify murder by these Israelis.

What if these people were afraid and were turning back? How would you know considering they were miles from the shoreline. The truth is that Israel should have waited until this ship was in THEIR waters and violating some law or justifiable reason to board a boat and kill people.

But they were cowards and wanted to do this at night instead of waiting until they were 22 or 11 miles or whatever and it was daylight and maybe even the media could see this.

Sure, these "activists" probably should have expected to be boarded. In fact, they knew about this boarding. For some reason some people on the boats tried to defend themselves. Does that justify shooting them?

How do you know the marines weren't going to murder everyone on the ship and steal the boat? How would anyone even think that wasn't a possibility? I mean what rational reasonable navy of a modern country can't just come alongside a ship during the daylight hours and say "turn back". They have a naval blockade.. Why not use it?

someone doth protest...

Who opened up drilling and was blab blabing about how great drilling was? Obama.

Who has sat back and let BP control the Coast Guard and local police for the LA shoreline? Obama.

Who has ignored the EPA repeated fines and sanctions to BP?

"We can't stop this. There's no way to prevent this from hitting our shorelines. The best I think we can do is minimize the impact, learn from our mistakes. We have to have fuel, we have to have gasoline. The price we're paying now is far too expensive. Safety measures that could have prevented this were not in place. It's time for our government to step up to the plate and take responsibility for what's happening on the shores of our country."

I couldn't agree more with this guy's statement. "Drill, Baby, Drill" isn't the right attitude, because then stuff like this happens. But stopping all offshore drilling isn't a good solution, either, since we're still highly dependent on liquid hydrocarbon fuels.

We need to get serious on our energy policy. Drilling had to go on, but we also need more funding/subsidizing of alternative energy sources and more stringent safety measures and auditing. If that means an extra dollar or two per gallon, so be it. In my book, we either do it right, or we don't do it at all.

Incredible... One of my friends worked for the British Antarctic Survey for a number of years and he was telling me about how he was once broadsided by a Leopard Seal while he was wading in the water at the shoreline holding a zodiac steady. He said the sheer power of these creatures is unbelievable. I've seen a couple myself and they are pretty intimidating animals. I would be scared out of my mind being in the water with one. They grow up to 12 feet long, weigh up to 1300 lbs and can swim as fast at 65 km/hr. They're very efficient predators!

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One more time *doublepromote