>> ^rychan:
Downvoted because they did shake hands at the conclusion of the debate, this clip was McCain introducing Cindy to Obama
See the video at the bottom of http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/222684.php


So, what, he can't shake his hand again? Honestly, I think that makes it worse. Like the beginning of the debate, the very end is when he has to shake his hand. It's obviously on camera and part of the "show." Taken with McCain not being able to look at him during the first debate, his refusal to talk with him a couple of weeks ago on the Senate floor, and some of the other incidents they've had over the last few years, this refusal to shake his hand is a true indicator of McCain contempt for Obama, IMO. He really doesn't like him for some reason.

Good find.

>> ^rychan:
Downvoted because they did shake hands at the conclusion of the debate, this clip was McCain introducing Cindy to Obama
See the video at the bottom of http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/222684.php

Downvoted because they did shake hands at the conclusion of the debate, this clip was McCain introducing Cindy to Obama

See the video at the bottom of http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/222684.php

My running commentary while watching this
===

* McCain saying that Obama's voting record is very left, very liberal... um... All that does is make me like Obama more.

* WTF on spending freeze on everything but Military ones... Yeah, let's not spend anything on health, education, infrastructure, social security, ANYTHING... But f*ck it, let's spend on up big on those guns. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCK Him.


* Holy crap does McCain calling himself a Maverick of the Senate just shit me up the wall... Giving yourself a title like that is so phony, so hollow, such bullshit.

* Trying to suggest there's some long list of things he's gone again Bush on... I'd like to see the list he has gone WITH him on vs those he's gone against him on, AND weights against them for actually how different they were and how important each decision was.

* OH MAN can you look at and address Obama directly? Obama looks at McCain, addresses McCain, tries to talk directly with him, and McCain refuses to look at, or address him directly. Does this not make people pause to think that the man has issues with confrontation? Issues with speaking directly to others... wouldn't you just LOVE to have him across a negotiating table staring off to the right while address you through a 3rd person.

* I just like Obama when he speaks, I mean look at him on the end, strides over to McCain, 'Good Job', shakes hands... McCain looks like a withered prune who doesn't quite know what he's doing.

Please don't let McCain run your country.

Please.

Why we are so exhausted...Our Historic Two Weeks.

Its been going so fast and furious that many of us may not really know what it is that makes us feel so drained right now. Alot of us have fought in campaigns before, but this seems like more than the usual 4th quarter blues.

Well, I gave it some it thought. Let's review.

I think it is safe to say that the Democratic party was generally happy and energized after their convention. Glowing, crying, hopeful.

Almost immediately after, Gustav was brewing out in the Caribbean and had already killed some people. The storm was bearing in on the coast of the U.S. and millions were evacuated. You couldn't be human, or part of the movement to elect Obama, if you didn't identify with all the unfortunate people that had to pack up, leave, and spend money just to find a space to sleep, find gas, etc.

Then, with that low lying anxiety, and with Ike on the way, Bush jumped out of the circle and ran to Texas as the Republican convention started to "oversee things from there." We were robbed of our ability to see the incumbent standing next to one of his biggest supporters, proving to everyone watching that McCain would be more of the same.

Instead, we got a surprise distraction and a rollercoaster ride. An unprecedented number of people started very actively arguing about politics. It wasn't a fair fight. They're shorter, so there were alot of low blows.

Then the nation watched as Ike began to bear down. Barack canceled what was to be his Saturday Night Live appearance. (Now that just wasn't fair! I was really looking forward to that). But it was o.k., we were doing the right thing. Ike was on its way and, in a rare natural metaphor, was the size of Texas. No matter where it hit the U.S., work was going to have to be done to help alot of people.

No details needed. Wipeout. Same time, Palin was doing her press junket, shaking hands, and making friends. Miraculously, the other team seemed to start to take the lead.

The weekend was sleepless for alot of us. I don't know about you guys, but at this point I was glued to my computer, reassuring friends the polls were going to prove wrong, feeling it in my gut, which was also full of coffee and fast food.

Monday morning we woke to the news that Wall Street had lost two of its major brokerage firms. Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy after the government refused to bail it out, and Merrill Lynch employees bit their nails.

Barack had to swat some flies away (literally and figuratively), but the tables were turning.

Then, Bank of America bought Merril Lynch in a quickee deal and the stock market responded with a huge sell off, down 504 points for the day. There were fears about Washington Mutual, Morgan Stanley and other firms, so financial stocks tanked. Markets around the world took a beating. If you didn't know, trust me, we really wiped out everybody. Some of the markets weren't even able to reopen. AIG was on the precipice, looking out over the lemming Lehman's below, and they are huge in almost every world market, so this was going to be bad. If you watched the BBC, or any other major world news agency, THEY used the words 'earthquake, The Great Depression, Black Tuesday, and devastating emergency' to describe what was happening everywhere. I actually made the mistake of tivoing some shows from Fox News to get the other perspective and boy, there is no way for me to get those hours back.

But we rallied. We picked up. We really did folks. The more she spoke, the stupider she sounded. The more McCain spoke, the more he got things wrong in a pretty visible way. What went up, was starting to go down. Who had time for lipstick, when the house was on fire?

First, those who cared (wearing both red and blue) sat around a big table in Washington and someone said something, and someone else agreed, and someone took out a checkbook.

*The federal government jumped in Tuesday night and bailed out AIG to the tune of an $85 billion loan.
*The FCC put a ban on shortselling.
*The world's central banks took action, injecting $180 billion into the financial system to stem the losses.
*The market rallied, bounced, went back up.
*Even the government's #1 Deregulator was screaming for regulation!

So if you feel exhausted, it's not the election, it's not this fight we are in. Its all the unbelievable distractions, regrettable as they were, that hit the world the last two weeks.

Good news?

1. Their numbers are down, ours are up.

2. The judge in the Cheney lawsuit ordered Cheney to preserve a wide range of the records from his time as vice president. Oh, you didn't know he had a lawsuit against him? Well, the lawsuit alleges that the Bush administration's actions over the past 7 1/2 years raise questions over whether the White House will turn over records created by Cheney and his staff to the National Archives in January. And Cheney lost.

3. Alaska's state Senator Hollis French said the retired prosecutor hired by the Alaska Legislature to investigate Palin (aka Troopergate), Stephen Branchflower, will conclude his investigation by Oct. 10. So they aren't giving up. And it will be in time for the election.

4. The other team's lies are getting so transparent that incredible people like that female reporter on FOX, Carl Rove, and even Hardball has to call them out on it, daily.

Bottom line, this is where we stand,

COSTS OVER THIS LAST YEAR
Status: Inflation up 5.4%
Average Salaries: Down 3.3%
Gasoline: Up 35.6%
Household Energy costs: Up 17.3%
Food: Up 7.5%

Its bad, but not unfixable. I think we generally rode it out well, and it looks like everything is going to be o.k. At least through the election. We will have alot of work to do, but we'll have to do it from the Oval Office.

So, take a deep breath.... Right now. Breathe in, and then out.

Make a bubble bath, catch a rerun of The Daily Show from their website, catch a sunset, or see the funny short: 'Its time for some campaignin'

Funny no matter what side you are on.
http://www.peteyandpetunia.com/VoteHere/VoteHere.htm

Then remember why we're doing this. If you haven't already, see:
You Made Me Love You Obama!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW19otZgxY8

Get some yogurt to settle your stomach, splurg and let yourself have some chocolate, and take just a second to rejuvenate.

and then....LET'S GET OUT THERE AND GET 'EM.

If you are an Obama supporter:
We will do it by registering MORE voters!
http://my.barackobama.com/vfc

We will do it by making the right points with our messages:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJThPjvscFs

We will do it by making people aware of Barack's actual financial plan: http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/economyplan

We will do it because WE CAN!

www.TheSarahPalinPortal.com
http://concernedmilf.blogspot.com/

Shiba's are awesome. We had one when I lived in Japan by the name of Kenta. Hella intelligent. He knew the commands sit, lay down, beg, shake hands and speak (all in Japanese).

The only thing scary about Shiba's is that they are kind of like cats in some ways. They tend to be very quiet. If they are going to attack, they won't growl or bark first. They'll just pounce, so you have to be careful when you introduce them to new people. I had a friend's Shiba turn on me once. One minute he was happily letting me pet him on the back, the next he took a full-on bite at my hand--no warning at all.

Way to be dismissive about all this. I guess supporting our troops means honoring their memory after they're dead?! F that man, I want my support of troops to be shaking hands, buying beers, and letting them go to college...alive and healthy.

Moodonia, I was kindof surprised. It was even funny to me in a way. In Dallas, I passed through the airport seeing people just like this of all ages shaking hands and hugging soldiers as we connected flights. Even random people in the airport would shake my hand or have a kind word to say. When my leave was over and I was waiting for a flight in Newark airport, people approached me to call me all kinds of names. I got lots of dirty looks and middle fingers as well. Not everyone there was nasty, but it was the first time I encountered this kindof reaction. All I could do was laugh. I don't know what other reaction there is to that, and it just made them even more irate. I can only imagine how that would have affected soldiers and marines from past wars who were only welcomed by insults.

Awesome. A comment from the Mt. Rushmore one:

"President Bush (forground) attempts to shake hands with President Lincoln (right)."

Any god who could ever command people to do such things is unworthy of worship. I don't care if he changed his mind, he's still evil.

"The Law was revealed to us so that we can see that there is no way in our state that we can live up to it in full, so we must rely on the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross that relieves us from those consequences." -Doc_M

Yeah, it's hard living up to the Laws that say to sell your daughters, enslave people, and kill Christians. (The old testament was for jews so the passages saying to kill those who try to convert you are instructions to kill Christians). But of course that's just mistranslations. The laws which say to stone people to death for god actually said "shake hands, hug, and apologize." Also the gospels of Jesus are actually a mistranslated recipe for baba ganoush. I tried it and it was delicious.

And I refuse to slaughter entire cities like the ancient jewish sects did so I have to worship some fictional character who's a rip-off of the older god Mithras? I'd rather worship Tom Sawyer. He's also a fictional character who came back from the dead (in a way), and all he wants from me is to paint a fence for him.

The more religious a country gets, now or in the past, the more violent it becomes (modern America, medieval Christian Europe, many middle-east countries). And once a country is very religious and follows only 1 religion it breaks into sects and they battle against each other (Iraq). Once the US becomes a religion run country it'll be as violent and backwards as any other theocracy.

ok, bamdrew, though i won't say fair enough...

the daily show really shouldn't have it both ways - it's either a comedy show or it's a news program -- jon stewart on crossfire intimated that the show shouldn't be taken seriously because they followed a program where puppets make crank phone calls

if this is the source of other people's beliefs or 'what they've absorbed' then i can only shake my head - too many people are not sufficiently circumspect of what they accept as a source for their understandings

so, with no idea of why, what, or from where they draw their beliefs...

yes, i'll try to help in providing what they apparently can't or don't want to find

osama / taliban:

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/24-318760.html

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/15/bergen.answers/index.html

as to saddam, well, your contention and mine aren't specifically at cross purposes...

the tds clip appears to claim that our military sales to saddam made him too powerful to easily remove in any subsequent regime change

to this you bring up rumsfeld and intel - both of which, i'll wager, did very little to strengthen saddam vis a vis the tds claim -- the military sales / aid i already clarified in my first post here

only the most obtuse of revisionists will fail to remember the context of realpolitik of the early '80s -- the ayatollah's islamic revolution having just seized control of iran--as well as their taking and holding us hostages for 444 days (and finally releasing them just two years before the rumsfeld photo), and providing hezbollah support with which they kidnapped more americans in lebanon--meant that the us was pleased to have a secular foil on the arab street

you may find it interesting that, in speaking of the infamous photo op of saddam and rumsfeld shaking hands, for every such photo, i can provide you with at least five of jacques chirac and saddam

saddam" i can't belive these pigs are really here. ok i'll fuck with them by holding on extra long when i shake there hands and i'll see what they do." after shaking hands saddam looks down and says to himself "yep as i thought these fools (pussys) are up to no good". he was right.

Would you shake hands with a Jew? is dead. And your avatar is the cutest ever.

@BillOreilly,
I've read your comments on many other videos, and I get it. I'm pretty impressed, actually, that you've got BillO's character down so well at times.

Not that I'm getting anywhere responding to your messages (Because I think you're playing a 'character', and if you aren't, then we'll probably never see eye-to-eye regardless), my reference was simply to the fact that it's fun and something to remember when something out of the ordinary happens that wasn't 'scheduled' or planned out. And yes, it's fun to see a performer's string break, and they continue with the song regardless, pull it off, and make it sound as good, if not better. My point was that the White Stripes say they don't worry about such occurances, instead they welcome it.


@karaidl,
Some of their song lyrics are incredibly simple, Let's Build a Home is definitely one of those. So is "Let's Shake Hands" and "Astro" (many of which could very well be double-meaninged =p). But they've also got some very well-written lyrics as well. Especially, but not exclusively, on their new album. If interested, check out Effect and Cause, A Martyr for my Love for you, and 300 MPH (Just a few off the new album). Good stuff

@myn,
Yeah, Canada loved them for touring every Province on such a significant tour (Their 10th anniversary AND the tour for their new record). They were raved about in the papers, and I went to the show the night before the Edmonton one you mentioned, when they were in Calgary. Great stuff, and yeah, the youth centre show was rather admirable.

There are Jews who feel the exact same way about Muslims and about most Gentiles.

A Rabbi who used to go to our plant to make sure it was Kosher would not shake hands with any of the people there (non-Jews).

I can't count the time that I was sitting in the park, or on the street, or in a restaurant or in a bar and some Jew - or as often a group of Jews - would go out of their way to start fucking with me.

Do I think all Jews are like that? No. That would be stupid.

Just as stupid as thinking that this video represents the opinions of all Muslims.