The deeply conservative (!) "Die Welt" in Germany has two pieces by Sy Hersh, completely debunking the supposed chemical attack by the Syrians at Khan Sheikhoun. It also paints a highly disturbing picture of the decision-making process in both the White House and the Pentagon.

The first one is a rather short conversation that includes all the goodies: the chemical attack in Syria was, once again, not a chemical attack by Syrian forces -- they hit a stash, just like both the Syrians and the Russians claimed at the time.

The piece also details that US forces are keenly aware that it was not a chemical attack, that the response (Tomahawk strike on Syrian airfield) was equally ridiculous and dangerous, and that the bellicose stance of the US vis-a-vis Russia is complete lunacy.

The longer piece by Hersh himself and displays in great details the disconnect between Trump and his military advisers, as well as between the upper echelons of the military and the troops in the region.

Just a snippet about the strike itself:

A Bomb Damage Assessment (BDA) by the U.S. military later determined that the heat and force of the 500-pound Syrian bomb triggered a series of secondary explosions that could have generated a huge toxic cloud that began to spread over the town, formed by the release of the fertilizers, disinfectants and other goods stored in the basement, its effect magnified by the dense morning air, which trapped the fumes close to the ground.

And the media went along for the ride, for the umpteenth time. Remember Brian Williams fawning about the beauty of the weapons?

At some point, this volatile mixture of warmongering and McCarthyism is going to start WW3, and they'll blame it on the Russians.

I think this quote illustrates the issue quite nicely:
“Did the Syrians plan the attack on Khan Sheikhoun? Absolutely. Do we have intercepts to prove it? Absolutely. Did they plan to use sarin? No. But the president did not say: ‘We have a problem and let’s look into it.’ He wanted to bomb the shit out of Syria.”

Way too easy to sit on the sidelines and making perfectly rational decisions after the fact. Until you've had this sort of shit happen right in front of you, you don't know how you'll react.

eg. Most of the vids, people don't step away from the glass or seek cover, they just stare. They are dreadfully lucky they didn't wear a face full of glass for both secondary explosions. Rational thought goes out the door in these moments.

HOLY CRAP!!!!
Some more info on what happened here.....

Hundreds of people have been injured by a massive explosion at an industrial port in Tianjin in north-east China, caused by a shipment of explosives that went up in flames.
The explosion happened just before midnight local time (5.00pm GMT), but has caused secondary explosions and fires in the surrounding area, Chinese state television reported on their online microblogging site. The Xinhua news agency said a deafening bang was heard as flames lit up the sky, sending dust dozens of metres into the air.
Three or four hundred people arrived at the Tianjin harbour hospital after at least two devastating blasts, the Beijing News reported, quoting an unnamed medic who works there. Some were brought in ambulances but many arrived on their own, after emergency numbers were overwhelmed with calls

I don't see the "secondary explosions". I do see some trees being blown up.

So surreal to hear the lyrics "Everybody let's lose control" "Everybody let's hit the floor", ".. let's let it blow" "Scream and shout and let it all out" While there is flaming wreckage and secondary explosions going on.

Personally I would have turned off the dance music the second I saw the collision and stopped safely.

One would think with the resource they have, rather than building a giant robot with overly complicated controlling system, they would build something a lot cheaper and efficient like a fast moving projectile that has good penetration and cause a giant secondary explosion... just a thought.

>> ^ChaosEngine:

Anyone care to enlighten me as to why these supposed conspirators blew up the towers? I mean, it must have been a pretty extensive operation to plan, so I'm guessing they didn't just murder a few thousand of their own citizens for shits and giggles.
Hell, even maddox isn't retarded enough to actually believe this shit.


In his book, The Grand Chessboard, Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski (former national security advisor for President Carter, former director of the Council on Foreign Relations, and a member of the Trilateral Commission along with Bush Sr. and Dick Cheney) writes of an imperialistic endeavor of controlling the world's vast natural resources (oil, natural gas, minerals, gold, etc.) and also human labor in Eurasia (specifically central Asia/Uzbekistan) that the U.S. must undertake to maintain global domination despite the American public's indecisiveness towards the external projection of American power (in which he reminds the reader that the American public supported U.S.'s engagement in World War II largely because of the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor) and cautions that it will become more difficult to establish consensus on foreign policy issues with an ever increasingly multi-cultural society in America unless the public widely perceives a massive direct external threat. (killtown.911review.org)

>> ^mxxcon:

>> ^marbles:
>> ^mxxcon:
These firefighters might not be lying or actors
The might not be lying or actors? Yeah, maybe this is the real conspiracy. The 9.11 truthers have staged a fake video of firefighters claiming huge explosions blew out the lobby of WTC1.
why don't you stop shitpicking on words and read the whole thing to understand what I said.


Oh, so it's my failure to understand the context of your statement? LOL

It's ok. Join your friend. The blue pill is great!

>> ^EvilDeathBee:

>> ^marbles:
>> ^EvilDeathBee:
rolleyes You don't believe there are levels of severity to conspiracies? Basically you're saying that your paranoid, delusional nonsense idea that the US government planned 9/11 causing one of the worst disasters in American history, if that were an actual conspiracy you would equate it's severity to some police officer falsely arresting someone and planting evidence up them, and having the station cover it up? Are you retarded? Oh right, you believe in all this 9/11 cover up horse shit. I suppose the US faked the moon landing too. Don't forget your tin foil hat.Brilliant reply. So what are the levels of severity to conspiracies? I need to know this because I'm retarded/believe in 9/11 cover up horse shit. Or better yet, just define conspiracy for me.

aaaand, ignore
i'm this close || to doing the same w/ him

>> ^marbles:

>> ^mxxcon:
These firefighters might not be lying or actors
The might not be lying or actors? Yeah, maybe this is the real conspiracy. The 9.11 truthers have staged a fake video of firefighters claiming huge explosions blew out the lobby of WTC1.
why don't you stop shitpicking on words and read the whole thing to understand what I said.

>> ^xxovercastxx:

As I've said before...
>> ^xxovercastxx:
If the government wanted to destroy WTC and blame it on Muslims, why not just blatantly use explosives? It's not like the place hasn't been bombed before. Why bother with the hijacked planes and all the other shit? Blow the lower floors out and let the thing come crashing down. Dozens of terrorist orgs would have been thrilled to take credit for it.



You do realize it usually takes weeks of planning and setting up to rig a demolition, right? No way people are going to believe that foreign agents would be able to set up a demolition without being noticed. And using jihadi elements helps exploit the fear factor.
And, you're right, it has happened before. The FBI helped stage a bombing on the WTC in 1993 but it didn't terrorize the public enough for the power elite to implement everything they wanted to do. They needed a "new Pearl Harbor" to do that.

>> ^mxxcon:

These firefighters might not be lying or actors

The might not be lying or actors? Yeah, maybe this is the real conspiracy. The 9.11 truthers have staged a fake video of firefighters claiming huge explosions blew out the lobby of WTC1.

>> ^marbles:

>> ^EvilDeathBee:
rolleyes You don't believe there are levels of severity to conspiracies? Basically you're saying that your paranoid, delusional nonsense idea that the US government planned 9/11 causing one of the worst disasters in American history, if that were an actual conspiracy you would equate it's severity to some police officer falsely arresting someone and planting evidence up them, and having the station cover it up? Are you retarded? Oh right, you believe in all this 9/11 cover up horse shit. I suppose the US faked the moon landing too. Don't forget your tin foil hat.Brilliant reply. So what are the levels of severity to conspiracies? I need to know this because I'm retarded/believe in 9/11 cover up horse shit. Or better yet, just define conspiracy for me.


aaaand, ignore

>> ^EvilDeathBee:

rolleyes You don't believe there are levels of severity to conspiracies? Basically you're saying that your paranoid, delusional nonsense idea that the US government planned 9/11 causing one of the worst disasters in American history, if that were an actual conspiracy you would equate it's severity to some police officer falsely arresting someone and planting evidence up them, and having the station cover it up? Are you retarded? Oh right, you believe in all this 9/11 cover up horse shit. I suppose the US faked the moon landing too. Don't forget your tin foil hat.Brilliant reply. So what are the levels of severity to conspiracies? I need to know this because I'm retarded/believe in 9/11 cover up horse shit. Or better yet, just define conspiracy for me.

>> ^marbles:

>> ^EvilDeathBee:
I dunno about you guys, but i'm convinced. This is such a conspiracy, there is no other explanation at all.

Such a conspiracy? Is there levels of extremity to the word "conspiracy" now? I understand how the word has been unjustly maligned by ignorant tools where you're not even conscious to what you're saying, but this all out confirms it.


*rolleyes* You don't believe there are levels of severity to conspiracies? Basically you're saying that your paranoid, delusional nonsense idea that the US government planned 9/11 causing one of the worst disasters in American history, if that were an actual conspiracy you would equate it's severity to some police officer falsely arresting someone and planting evidence up them, and having the station cover it up? Are you retarded? Oh right, you believe in all this 9/11 cover up horse shit. I suppose the US faked the moon landing too. Don't forget your tin foil hat.