i dunno...

i have a 100gl saltwater reef tank and a 50gl fresh water tank.

this woman just looks like a customer who has little knowledge or know-how in regards to fish.

i suspect this video starts near the end of the argument,because it is common practice for pet stores to request a water sample.though her putting the dead fish IN the water sample is contamination and will result in a false reading.

i also suspect that this customer has been back with multiple dead fish,and has little understanding the basic tenants of good husbandry,and the owner is just at the end of his rope having to deal with woman over and over again.

sadly many people who decide to start a fish tank do not do their due diligence,because owning a successful fish tank takes a LOT of time,research and dedication.

meh...i am making a ton of assumptions here because the video does not make the actual conflict clear.

the woman should just get a betta,or a goldfish.those bad boys can live through anything.

Your video, SaltWater "Edible Six Pack Rings", has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

Only if you're willing to accept extreme hypothetical situations. ;-)

There are some who MUST eat meat. I admit they are few and far between, but they exist.
For the average person, no, there's no reason they MUST eat meat, but it's incredibly difficult to completely replace with normally available vegetables, impossible for many for either economic or availability reasons.

As a palate cleanser from this thread...you might like this animal friendly product....
http://videosift.com/video/SaltWater-Edible-Six-Pack-Rings

Dinner's-Eye View Of A Saltwater Croc Attack has been added as a related post - related requested by oritteropo on that post.

No, much like crocodiles, they will defend against all comers, even much larger males that have little chance of winning against, often well past the point that the eggs have hatched.

And for noting, the bite pressure of the alligator has been measured at 2200 psi, 3rd place in "highest bite strength of any animal in the world" competition behind the nile croc (5000 psi) and the saltwater croc (7000 odd psi).

Does the guy in the vid really need any more reasons to leave the poor fucking thing alone... \= )

That would definitely scare the hell out of me. I've been trying to find it for years, but there is a really good video out there of a seriously big mother saltwater crocodile in a full out sprint doing over 50mph. It was pretty much just violently thrashing it's tail and hydroplaning.

I guess you gotta be tough if you're going to live where there isn't much water on the whole and all the animals have to spend most of their time congregating around what's there. The ghettos of the animal kingdom.

One of the results of a warming ocean is melting glaciers and ice caps. That is the addition of fresh water to a salt water system. There is more saltwater than freshwater in the world. One of the properties of salt water is that it conveys heat better than fresh water. The hot-water baseboard heater you use to heat your home would actually be more efficient if it used salt water. We don't use salt water in heaters because salt actually corrodes the metal pipes faster. What does this have to do with climate change? As you dilute the salt water that transfers heat from the warm equatorial waters of the world to the cooler waters in temperate zones, it gets less good at transferring that heat. This change happens very slowly to the perception of short lived mammals like us. In geologic terms, this is how we get to the next ice age.

I've been snorkeling loads of times, and while I don't really have any problems with the standard/basic equipment, this looks like a cool idea and definitely easier for first-timers.

I don't think it looks difficult to maintain -- with a normal mask, the secret that often goes untold due to sanitary reasons I suppose is that the best way to clean them and to prevent fog-up is to spit in there, rub it around, and then give it a quick saltwater rinse. If the anti-fogging mechanism of this works well, then you could just skip that step. If it doesn't work as advertised, well, I guess the spit technique would still hold up just fine.

As for maintaining/cleaning the breathing lines, I would imagine that they can be flushed with water. I don't think I've ever worried about that with a normal snorkel, I don't really see why this would be different.

The issue with increased difficulty in pressure equalization (since you can't plug your nose) is a problem, but I'd say the target audience for this product is newcomers to snorkeling, and they are probably not going to be the type to do much diving down past the 6-12 foot depth where that will be an important issue.

The only other thing that I can think of is that with a normal snorkel, clearing water from the tube is pretty easy with a big exhaled blow. If water gets into this thing, for whatever reason, I dunno if it is possible to clear it without surfacing and taking the whole thing off.

I'd definitely be interested in seeing these saltwater crocodiles that are nonthreatening to humans.

Nothing I have ever done has come close to the sheer unadulterated terror I felt when I went for a walk in the northern territory.

This wasn't some kind of hardcore Bear Grylls style bush walk either. It was a 30 min ramble along a path in a national park with a difficulty that the average toddler would find easy.

Halfway along the path it comes close to a river with a sign casually pointing out that there might be crocodiles, so ya know, try not to get eaten. And hey whadyaknow? There's a bloody great saltwater living-f#$king-dinosaur about 10m from the path, sunning itself on the river bank.

I've done my share of adventure activities and had one or two times when I feared for my life, but this was the only time I was genuinely concerned that I would be eaten.

No-one should live in australia.

Your Blue poem reminded me of a video I shot in June. It's a SALTWATER POOL.

http://youtu.be/_r8hhXonTu4

i'm sure if the straw/hay was clean, it may eventually sink when the water fills the voids in the porous hay. however oil floats... so chances are (non-scientific opinion incoming) oil-laden straw would float.

saltwater is more dense than freshwater (SW = 1.025, FW = 1.0), so it's even more difficult to sink hay, let alone oil soaked hay.

and regarding the solution proposed? why not? i mean, if our choices are 1) possible failure on cleanup at the cost of beef/milk prices rising, or 2) Gulf-coast wasteland... HAY, give it a try! (*groan*)

edit: apparently this idea is already in place using hair, nylon fibers, etc. not entirely sure on the reliability of the link, but here it is anyway: http://www.matteroftrust.org/

Do you mean Malibu inlet, up the north end of Princess Louisa inlet? No, I've never been that far up that way. I was born in Powell River, and have spent many happy summers in the area of the Sunshine Coast however. Nice part of the world, and I've always planned to retire there- or maybe as far north as Ocean Falls. Come visit me in 25 years or so!

In reply to this comment by silvercord:
If that happened to me, the Environmental Protection Agency would have had me arrested for fouling the waters with my own waste. I envy your experience. Love Vancouver. Have you ever been north to Malibu?



In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
The croc was pretty cool. I might have upvoted if he'd succeeded in stealing dinner from those jerks .

I'm reminded of a story from a few years back. I live in Vancouver and have spent a lot of time out on the local waters and have experienced Killer whales close up on several occasions- once when out alone in a small 12 foot Laser sailing dinghy I was surrounded by a pod of a dozen or so VERY large whales- a little intimidating to be surrounded by those predators who are much bigger than me and the tiny boat I'm sitting in with my butt less then 3 inches from the water. They circled me several times, jumping and spy-hopping to check me out. One of the coolest experiences of my life. But I digress.

There had never been an attack by Killer whales in our waters on a boat or a person, until about 6 or 8 years ago. There was a graddad and grandson out salmon fishing in a small aluminum boat in the waters between Victoria and Vancouver. The grandson hooked a big Chinook and was reeling it in when a Killer whale, who was part of a pod in the area that was feeding on the salmon, decided he wanted that salmon that the kid had hooked. The whale nipped at the fish, taking about half of it off with a little bite, but the kid wasn't about to give in to the whale. He reeled in as quick as he could, the whole while with the whale trying to take the fish.

The kid actually managed to land the salmon, pissing off the whale in the process. The whale banged against the boat several times, nearly upsetting the little craft. Eventually he went away, I presume sulking the whole time.

I dunno, I think I would have let him have the fish.



In reply to this comment by silvercord:
No problems. People are barbaric. This was an example of that, I suppose. I was more interested in the brave croc that decided to stand up to all five of 'em to try and get a meal.

Thanks for the explanation, Blankman.



In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
Looking at my own comment on your video, I thought I was a bit harsh. Sorry about that, but it really made me angry watching this video and seeing a bunch of fat, rich, ignorant, over-priveleged jerks proving their "bravery" by killing a beautiful animal like that shark. It's exactly this BS that has driven all the great top predators of the world- lions, tigers, wolves and now sharks to the brink of, and sometimes past, extinction.

I might not have been so angry if I hadn't watched the documentary "Shark Water" a few days ago.

In reply to this comment by silvercord:
From Liveleak:

The video, posted last month by the Cape Don Barramundi fishing lodge in the Northern Territory, records an epic angling saga that pitched man against shark, shark against shark, crocodile against shark and, eventually, man against crocodile.

All appears to be going well when the clip begins, with one of the party land More..ing a fair-sized shark as he fishes off the side of a yacht. Things become more exciting when another shark swims in for an easy lunch, prompting the cameraman to note: "Oh! Another shark's attacking him!"

The valiant angler labours on, and before long the greedy interloper disappears and the thrashing shark is dragged on to the beach with the help of a boathook. But the triumph is short-lived. Within seconds the dark green outline of a saltwater crocodile appears at the water's edge and the reptile dashes on to the beach to make a grab for the shark.

Disaster is averted only by the swift intervention of another member of the fishing party, who leaps towards the thief and delivers a warning blow to its snout with the boathook. Suitably chastised, the croc turns tail and swims off.

The video ends with the slightly shaken group posing for a photo around the unfortunate shark. The man who landed it seems a little distracted and has to be reminded there is a protocol for such occasions. "You've got to do the old put-a-foot-on-its-head thing," the cameraman reminds him.

Crocodiles in the area appear to have realised it is often easier to let the humans do the work. Last November the Northern Territory News reported that a three-metre "saltie" spied on a group of fishermen before tucking into the shark they had just reeled in.

If that happened to me, the Environmental Protection Agency would have had me arrested for fouling the waters with my own waste. I envy your experience. Love Vancouver. Have you ever been north to Malibu?



In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
The croc was pretty cool. I might have upvoted if he'd succeeded in stealing dinner from those jerks .

I'm reminded of a story from a few years back. I live in Vancouver and have spent a lot of time out on the local waters and have experienced Killer whales close up on several occasions- once when out alone in a small 12 foot Laser sailing dinghy I was surrounded by a pod of a dozen or so VERY large whales- a little intimidating to be surrounded by those predators who are much bigger than me and the tiny boat I'm sitting in with my butt less then 3 inches from the water. They circled me several times, jumping and spy-hopping to check me out. One of the coolest experiences of my life. But I digress.

There had never been an attack by Killer whales in our waters on a boat or a person, until about 6 or 8 years ago. There was a graddad and grandson out salmon fishing in a small aluminum boat in the waters between Victoria and Vancouver. The grandson hooked a big Chinook and was reeling it in when a Killer whale, who was part of a pod in the area that was feeding on the salmon, decided he wanted that salmon that the kid had hooked. The whale nipped at the fish, taking about half of it off with a little bite, but the kid wasn't about to give in to the whale. He reeled in as quick as he could, the whole while with the whale trying to take the fish.

The kid actually managed to land the salmon, pissing off the whale in the process. The whale banged against the boat several times, nearly upsetting the little craft. Eventually he went away, I presume sulking the whole time.

I dunno, I think I would have let him have the fish.



In reply to this comment by silvercord:
No problems. People are barbaric. This was an example of that, I suppose. I was more interested in the brave croc that decided to stand up to all five of 'em to try and get a meal.

Thanks for the explanation, Blankman.



In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
Looking at my own comment on your video, I thought I was a bit harsh. Sorry about that, but it really made me angry watching this video and seeing a bunch of fat, rich, ignorant, over-priveleged jerks proving their "bravery" by killing a beautiful animal like that shark. It's exactly this BS that has driven all the great top predators of the world- lions, tigers, wolves and now sharks to the brink of, and sometimes past, extinction.

I might not have been so angry if I hadn't watched the documentary "Shark Water" a few days ago.

In reply to this comment by silvercord:
From Liveleak:

The video, posted last month by the Cape Don Barramundi fishing lodge in the Northern Territory, records an epic angling saga that pitched man against shark, shark against shark, crocodile against shark and, eventually, man against crocodile.

All appears to be going well when the clip begins, with one of the party land More..ing a fair-sized shark as he fishes off the side of a yacht. Things become more exciting when another shark swims in for an easy lunch, prompting the cameraman to note: "Oh! Another shark's attacking him!"

The valiant angler labours on, and before long the greedy interloper disappears and the thrashing shark is dragged on to the beach with the help of a boathook. But the triumph is short-lived. Within seconds the dark green outline of a saltwater crocodile appears at the water's edge and the reptile dashes on to the beach to make a grab for the shark.

Disaster is averted only by the swift intervention of another member of the fishing party, who leaps towards the thief and delivers a warning blow to its snout with the boathook. Suitably chastised, the croc turns tail and swims off.

The video ends with the slightly shaken group posing for a photo around the unfortunate shark. The man who landed it seems a little distracted and has to be reminded there is a protocol for such occasions. "You've got to do the old put-a-foot-on-its-head thing," the cameraman reminds him.

Crocodiles in the area appear to have realised it is often easier to let the humans do the work. Last November the Northern Territory News reported that a three-metre "saltie" spied on a group of fishermen before tucking into the shark they had just reeled in.

The croc was pretty cool. I might have upvoted if he'd succeeded in stealing dinner from those jerks .

I'm reminded of a story from a few years back. I live in Vancouver and have spent a lot of time out on the local waters and have experienced Killer whales close up on several occasions- once when out alone in a small 12 foot Laser sailing dinghy I was surrounded by a pod of a dozen or so VERY large whales- a little intimidating to be surrounded by those predators who are much bigger than me and the tiny boat I'm sitting in with my butt less then 3 inches from the water. They circled me several times, jumping and spy-hopping to check me out. One of the coolest experiences of my life. But I digress.

There had never been an attack by Killer whales in our waters on a boat or a person, until about 6 or 8 years ago. There was a graddad and grandson out salmon fishing in a small aluminum boat in the waters between Victoria and Vancouver. The grandson hooked a big Chinook and was reeling it in when a Killer whale, who was part of a pod in the area that was feeding on the salmon, decided he wanted that salmon that the kid had hooked. The whale nipped at the fish, taking about half of it off with a little bite, but the kid wasn't about to give in to the whale. He reeled in as quick as he could, the whole while with the whale trying to take the fish.

The kid actually managed to land the salmon, pissing off the whale in the process. The whale banged against the boat several times, nearly upsetting the little craft. Eventually he went away, I presume sulking the whole time.

I dunno, I think I would have let him have the fish.



In reply to this comment by silvercord:
No problems. People are barbaric. This was an example of that, I suppose. I was more interested in the brave croc that decided to stand up to all five of 'em to try and get a meal.

Thanks for the explanation, Blankman.



In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
Looking at my own comment on your video, I thought I was a bit harsh. Sorry about that, but it really made me angry watching this video and seeing a bunch of fat, rich, ignorant, over-priveleged jerks proving their "bravery" by killing a beautiful animal like that shark. It's exactly this BS that has driven all the great top predators of the world- lions, tigers, wolves and now sharks to the brink of, and sometimes past, extinction.

I might not have been so angry if I hadn't watched the documentary "Shark Water" a few days ago.

In reply to this comment by silvercord:
From Liveleak:

The video, posted last month by the Cape Don Barramundi fishing lodge in the Northern Territory, records an epic angling saga that pitched man against shark, shark against shark, crocodile against shark and, eventually, man against crocodile.

All appears to be going well when the clip begins, with one of the party land More..ing a fair-sized shark as he fishes off the side of a yacht. Things become more exciting when another shark swims in for an easy lunch, prompting the cameraman to note: "Oh! Another shark's attacking him!"

The valiant angler labours on, and before long the greedy interloper disappears and the thrashing shark is dragged on to the beach with the help of a boathook. But the triumph is short-lived. Within seconds the dark green outline of a saltwater crocodile appears at the water's edge and the reptile dashes on to the beach to make a grab for the shark.

Disaster is averted only by the swift intervention of another member of the fishing party, who leaps towards the thief and delivers a warning blow to its snout with the boathook. Suitably chastised, the croc turns tail and swims off.

The video ends with the slightly shaken group posing for a photo around the unfortunate shark. The man who landed it seems a little distracted and has to be reminded there is a protocol for such occasions. "You've got to do the old put-a-foot-on-its-head thing," the cameraman reminds him.

Crocodiles in the area appear to have realised it is often easier to let the humans do the work. Last November the Northern Territory News reported that a three-metre "saltie" spied on a group of fishermen before tucking into the shark they had just reeled in.