The best and most effective method to quit smoking was by far getting support from drug rehab programs, that's how I did it and now about about to celebrate 6 years from my last cigarette.

Every time she's been on Ferguson, Carrie Fisher claims she was strung out during that period of her life. She talks about her stints in rehab and loony bins on Ferguson fairly often. At least that's what I gather from it when she says stuff like that on the show because she never straight up says it was while working on the Star Wars films.

>> ^MaxWilder:

You really can't blame the cops for this. They get their orders from higher up the food chain, from people who are struggling with budgets every day. It's the lawmakers who are encouraging (or at least allowing) this kind of ridiculous behavior. If seized money went to drug rehab centers or something like that, the shakedowns would stop. And of course, lawmakers would have to fund the cops from normal taxes, which they would prefer to spend on their pet projects.
Ultimately, it's the people of the state who must demand changes to the laws, and that's unlikely because the cops target out-of-state plates. Perhaps if this starts to impact legit tourism or something, it might get a referendum. But since there are few legit reasons for carrying large quantities of cash, it's unlikely to change.
BTW, don't carry around large amounts of cash. That's stupid.


Completely agreed

>> ^MaxWilder:

>> ^Stormsinger:
>> ^MaxWilder:
>> ^Stormsinger:
>> ^MaxWilder:
You really can't blame the cops for this. They get their orders from higher up the food chain, from people who are struggling with budgets every day. It's the lawmakers who are encouraging (or at least allowing) this kind of ridiculous behavior. If seized money went to drug rehab centers or something like that, the shakedowns would stop. And of course, lawmakers would have to fund the cops from normal taxes, which they would prefer to spend on their pet projects.
Ultimately, it's the people of the state who must demand changes to the laws, and that's unlikely because the cops target out-of-state plates. Perhaps if this starts to impact legit tourism or something, it might get a referendum. But since there are few legit reasons for carrying large quantities of cash, it's unlikely to change.
BTW, don't carry around large amounts of cash. That's stupid.

I agree with you on everything except the "can't blame the cops". "Just following orders" is no excuse for committing an injustice...

While I agree that "just following orders" is not a strong defense, it's not like they are committing war crimes. For the most part, it really is drug money they are seizing. Are they supposed to throw away their careers in order to try to change something that should be changed by the lawmakers and citizens who elect those lawmakers?

Throwing away? You really think they'd lose their entire career by making such policies known to the public, or talking to the press about it? I don't.
And even if they did...I chose not to work for employers who didn't meet at least the minimum of my ethical standards, and I have no reservations in believing others should do the same. If everyone did, we'd probably not be in the shithouse we find ourselves in these days.

Who said anything about keeping silent? This whole news report may have been inspired by a cop who wasn't happy with the policy.
But if they don't carry out the policy, they will get fired. They guy in the video said so.
I applaud your ethical standards. I certainly hope I would do the same. But these days it isn't so easy to simply change jobs. It would probably involve moving to another area, maybe even another state. Not to mention a big cut in pay as you throw away any seniority. And if all the ethical people leave the force, then they will simply be replaced and replaced until the only people left are unethical. Doesn't sound like an improvement.
Why are you resisting laying the blame where it belongs?


Say what? I'm not the one saying "you can't blame X..." I'm saying there is plenty of blame for everyone involved: legislators, police chiefs, AND cops doing the dirty work. Remember, this whole discussion is about the only part of your original statement I disagreed with...the rest I'm completely on your side (so discussing those parts is rather dull).

And yes, ethics -do- have a price. In my own case, I'm quite sure it prolonged my period of unemployment (causing me to have to empty my retirement funds and put retirement into the "fantasy" category), as well as moving in order to secure another job. But if everyone simply says "I had no choice", nothing ever gets better either.

It's way past time for people to start doing what they're asking other people to do. You want ethical behavior and laws from your legislators, I'd think you'd best be behaving ethically yourselves (note, that's a general "you", not you in particular Max). That's part of my problem with the Republican party...they all seem to talk the talk, but it doesn't appear that more than a tiny fraction actually walk the walk.

>> ^Stormsinger:

>> ^MaxWilder:
>> ^Stormsinger:
>> ^MaxWilder:
You really can't blame the cops for this. They get their orders from higher up the food chain, from people who are struggling with budgets every day. It's the lawmakers who are encouraging (or at least allowing) this kind of ridiculous behavior. If seized money went to drug rehab centers or something like that, the shakedowns would stop. And of course, lawmakers would have to fund the cops from normal taxes, which they would prefer to spend on their pet projects.
Ultimately, it's the people of the state who must demand changes to the laws, and that's unlikely because the cops target out-of-state plates. Perhaps if this starts to impact legit tourism or something, it might get a referendum. But since there are few legit reasons for carrying large quantities of cash, it's unlikely to change.
BTW, don't carry around large amounts of cash. That's stupid.

I agree with you on everything except the "can't blame the cops". "Just following orders" is no excuse for committing an injustice...

While I agree that "just following orders" is not a strong defense, it's not like they are committing war crimes. For the most part, it really is drug money they are seizing. Are they supposed to throw away their careers in order to try to change something that should be changed by the lawmakers and citizens who elect those lawmakers?

Throwing away? You really think they'd lose their entire career by making such policies known to the public, or talking to the press about it? I don't.
And even if they did...I chose not to work for employers who didn't meet at least the minimum of my ethical standards, and I have no reservations in believing others should do the same. If everyone did, we'd probably not be in the shithouse we find ourselves in these days.


Who said anything about keeping silent? This whole news report may have been inspired by a cop who wasn't happy with the policy.

But if they don't carry out the policy, they will get fired. They guy in the video said so.

I applaud your ethical standards. I certainly hope I would do the same. But these days it isn't so easy to simply change jobs. It would probably involve moving to another area, maybe even another state. Not to mention a big cut in pay as you throw away any seniority. And if all the ethical people leave the force, then they will simply be replaced and replaced until the only people left are unethical. Doesn't sound like an improvement.

Why are you resisting laying the blame where it belongs?

>> ^MaxWilder:

>> ^Stormsinger:
>> ^MaxWilder:
You really can't blame the cops for this. They get their orders from higher up the food chain, from people who are struggling with budgets every day. It's the lawmakers who are encouraging (or at least allowing) this kind of ridiculous behavior. If seized money went to drug rehab centers or something like that, the shakedowns would stop. And of course, lawmakers would have to fund the cops from normal taxes, which they would prefer to spend on their pet projects.
Ultimately, it's the people of the state who must demand changes to the laws, and that's unlikely because the cops target out-of-state plates. Perhaps if this starts to impact legit tourism or something, it might get a referendum. But since there are few legit reasons for carrying large quantities of cash, it's unlikely to change.
BTW, don't carry around large amounts of cash. That's stupid.

I agree with you on everything except the "can't blame the cops". "Just following orders" is no excuse for committing an injustice...

While I agree that "just following orders" is not a strong defense, it's not like they are committing war crimes. For the most part, it really is drug money they are seizing. Are they supposed to throw away their careers in order to try to change something that should be changed by the lawmakers and citizens who elect those lawmakers?


Throwing away? You really think they'd lose their entire career by making such policies known to the public, or talking to the press about it? I don't.

And even if they did...I chose not to work for employers who didn't meet at least the minimum of my ethical standards, and I have no reservations in believing others should do the same. If everyone did, we'd probably not be in the shithouse we find ourselves in these days.

>> ^Stormsinger:

>> ^MaxWilder:
You really can't blame the cops for this. They get their orders from higher up the food chain, from people who are struggling with budgets every day. It's the lawmakers who are encouraging (or at least allowing) this kind of ridiculous behavior. If seized money went to drug rehab centers or something like that, the shakedowns would stop. And of course, lawmakers would have to fund the cops from normal taxes, which they would prefer to spend on their pet projects.
Ultimately, it's the people of the state who must demand changes to the laws, and that's unlikely because the cops target out-of-state plates. Perhaps if this starts to impact legit tourism or something, it might get a referendum. But since there are few legit reasons for carrying large quantities of cash, it's unlikely to change.
BTW, don't carry around large amounts of cash. That's stupid.

I agree with you on everything except the "can't blame the cops". "Just following orders" is no excuse for committing an injustice...


While I agree that "just following orders" is not a strong defense, it's not like they are committing war crimes. For the most part, it really is drug money they are seizing. Are they supposed to throw away their careers in order to try to change something that should be changed by the lawmakers and citizens who elect those lawmakers?

>> ^MaxWilder:

You really can't blame the cops for this. They get their orders from higher up the food chain, from people who are struggling with budgets every day. It's the lawmakers who are encouraging (or at least allowing) this kind of ridiculous behavior. If seized money went to drug rehab centers or something like that, the shakedowns would stop. And of course, lawmakers would have to fund the cops from normal taxes, which they would prefer to spend on their pet projects.
Ultimately, it's the people of the state who must demand changes to the laws, and that's unlikely because the cops target out-of-state plates. Perhaps if this starts to impact legit tourism or something, it might get a referendum. But since there are few legit reasons for carrying large quantities of cash, it's unlikely to change.
BTW, don't carry around large amounts of cash. That's stupid.


I agree with you on everything except the "can't blame the cops". "Just following orders" is no excuse for committing an injustice...

You really can't blame the cops for this. They get their orders from higher up the food chain, from people who are struggling with budgets every day. It's the lawmakers who are encouraging (or at least allowing) this kind of ridiculous behavior. If seized money went to drug rehab centers or something like that, the shakedowns would stop. And of course, lawmakers would have to fund the cops from normal taxes, which they would prefer to spend on their pet projects.

Ultimately, it's the people of the state who must demand changes to the laws, and that's unlikely because the cops target out-of-state plates. Perhaps if this starts to impact legit tourism or something, it might get a referendum. But since there are few legit reasons for carrying large quantities of cash, it's unlikely to change.

BTW, don't carry around large amounts of cash. That's stupid.

>> ^ctrlaltbleach:

That has got to be the best kitteh video ever!
Thats it were done. Game over. Nothings ever going to top this.


after his cig was taken away the kitten moved on to hard drugs. Next video, day one at rehab!

for those who can't get behind a full blown legalization of hard drugs like heroin or meth, how about simply decriminalizing them? so, they won't be for sale at your local 7/11 but we don't waste anymore money prosecuting and jailing non-violent junkies either?

i won't call addiction a victimless crime. loving/living with/caring for/being the child of/having the children of/being the parent of an addict is one of the most destructive, life wrenching things ever. as an adult its your choice and you can just leave, but as a kid you can't and as the parent, you can't. and drugs fuck up little kids lives. its not at all victimless. but locking those family members up in jail or in rehab against their will never fixed anything. the family is still broken. the addict is still broken. and legal substances can have the same consequences.


bbbuuttt.....here are some things states could do to 1. alleviate the budget shortfalls without fucking the poor and 2. create jobs while expanding civil liberties and boosting moral

1. legalize marijuana and tax it... new source of revenue plus a new industry creates new jobs
2. legalize gambling and tax the casinos .... again, new source of revenue plus a new industry creates jobs
3. decriminalize possession of other drugs, quit spending the $$ arresting and prosecuting addicts and just write up a ticket with a fine attached (say $500) .... save money plus new source of revenue
4. legalize gay marriage ...... extra revenue collected from the sale of marriage licenses, a boom in the wedding industry


i would say legalize prostitution, but i have mixed feelings about it. if it's done wrong, you get a trafficking disaster. done right and highly regulated, great. i wont say decriminalize prostitution because that doesnt make anyone safer and kind of neuters our ability to break up exploitation rings.

Yea I don't know why I upvoted that. I don't remember upvoting it...I remember watching it. Must've been on my rag

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Nothing to say about this video, AND an upvote?! You disappoint me. Don't tell me you're in rehab again.

Nothing to say about this video, AND an upvote?! You disappoint me. Don't tell me you're in rehab again.

I should clarify that in the Netherlands you can't just apply for free heroin, you need to be a registered addict in one of the cities that runs these clinics. These people can get small accommodation and go to rooms where they can use their drugs.

This has helped in a multitude of ways. The addicts no longer need to resort to begging/stealing to fund their drug habit, so thefts have gone down substantially. Also because these addicts don't need their whole day struggling to get their next fix, and they can use it in calm places, this has led to a lot of addicts calming down, thinking about there problems, and applying for treatment and rehab.

Many of these people have reintegrated into society and even found some jobs. It's been so successful that we had to close a few treatments centers in Utrecht because there weren't enough addicts anymore.

Internal investigation and rehab...great justice. Just a few more years before we are on par with putting Jesus and Socrates to death.