Very convenient to have another red scare now. A communist scare again to have an enemy that fits with the ideology of building more weapons

29 comments, most of them rather long and more-or-less well reasoned, yet none about the content.

I get if you don't trust RT. It's a propaganda outlet of a foreign government, after all. But RT is not Chemical Ali style of propaganda: it is solid, well-researched reporting on many topics, subtly slanted on others, and completely balls-to-the-wall denial of reality on others again.

You want to take that as a reason to ignore it entirely? Knock yourself out.

I won't. Which isn't saying much, because I prefer text over video.

Anyway, they regularly offer a valuably "Korrektiv" with regards to reporting in the mainstream media. Of course I would prefer if I could get that from a less-dubious outlet like, maybe, the Indepedant, or the NZZ, but I can't.

Let's talk about the content of this clip, shall we.

Hedges references the Prop-or-Not pieces run by the WaPo. Does anyone here disagree that those were a total and utter smear job? Painting Truthout, Truthdig, Counterpunch, Alternet, BlackAgendaReport, NakedCapitalism and others as stooges of the Kremlin is such an obvious attempt to discredit dissenting voices that it's, quite frankly, rather offensive. Yves Smith and Glen Ford as mouthpieces of the Kremlin... my ass cheeks.

On the other hand, quite a lot of journalists in the US seem to have embraced the Red Scare with open arms, seeing as it gives an excuse as to why their previous HRC lost against the orange-skinned buffoon. Kyle illustrated it nicely with Rachel Maddow.

Second point: they had James Clapper present the report. Seriously? The fucker was caught lying under oath during the initial stages of the NSA revelations. Wasn't the fuckface also in charge of the satellite reconnaisence prior to the Iraq war, who could have presented imagery that debunked the claims of WMD "factories", and decided not to? He is just as trustworthy as Chemical Ali, but less entertaining.

Third: half the report was about RT. Why? I thought it was meant to outline how they "hacked" the election? What does their propaganda outlet have to do with that? And the critique they presented... has anyone read the passage about the "alleged Wall Street greed"? They are having a laugh, and people take it seriously.

Fourth: it distracts from the aspects of HRC's loss they don't want to be a subject of public discussion: class issues. They offered nothing for the working class, who got a shoddy deal over the last decades, and tried to focus entirely on identity politics, completely denying even the existence of class issues. Which is also why it's now the "white, male worker" who is to blame. Nevermind that >50% of white, female workers also voted Trump. Nevermind that significant portions of non-white working class folks also voted Trump. Can't be. According to the narrative, these people are minorities first, working-class second, and identity politics always trumps class politics. Except it didn't.

All this rage at the "deplorables", the "less educated"... it just reeks massively of class bigotry. Those plebs decided to vote for someone other than our beloved Queen HRC? How dare they...

And finally, RT's own part of this segment, about the credibility of the intelligence community's claims. Any disagreement on this? Anyone? Anyone think the torturers at the CIA are trustworthy enough to take their word without hard evidence?

Basically this, it's sort of like cheering for Joseph McCarthy during the Red Scare. Even though he's a piece of shit, he is ruffling the feathers of establishment assholes, so fucking keep him going. The system is fucked, let's keep it that way and maybe it'll eat itself.

I gave you examples, you want more or do you want to do your own research? The American public was scared of Saddam in 1990 and they were scared again in 2003. In both cases there was NOTHING to be scared of yet you had people training and buying guns just in case he came HERE to the United States.

Hell you don't even have to look hard, remember the Red Scare when everyone was terrified that the communists are going to choke us in the night? We're a scaredy cat nation, because the propaganda is geared towards scaring us. You can't deny the effect of propaganda on people, it turned us from not wanting to get into World War 1 to a German hating crazy warmongering public. We couldn't even play Bach here because we hated Germany so much. Also the Yellow Journalism that got us into the Spanish American War, there are still people terrified that Cuba is about to strangle us...SERIOUSLY FUCKING CUBA!

Goebbels, Hitlers propaganda minister, based HIS propaganda on the United States' model. This shit is all documented, and you just sit there "Nope not true" you don't have any evidence though.

Chomsky talks about getting letters from people constantly about how dare he defend (as if he does) the helpless people that might kill us at any moment.

LOOK Right here at home, we're terrified of black people, so lets have a War on drugs to make sure if you're a 14 year old black kid with a joint in your pocket you go to jail for a LONG AS TIME. Just look at any prison, you'll see the effect it had.

Just provide some evidence for what you claim...it's not hard, till then you can't tell me I'm drinking kool aid because I actually work at gaining knowledge.

Sounds eerily similar to the Red Scare but instead of "aggressive police investigation of the accused persons, their jailing, and deportation for being suspected of being either communist or left-wing" you can just have them killed!

To me it seems like O'Reilly is so anti Common because he went to Cuba... Red scare?

How is this justice? Have we been awakened the next day and seen a different world in which kindness and fairness have overwhelmed the natural human instinct to grasp power by any means necessary? Has our lust for war brought us peace? It's just another day, with one less living person.

Saudi wealth, the Red Scare, CIA operations and flawed religious dogma created a high-profile Bogeyman for us to chase for nearly a decade. In the wake we have left thousands dead and injured, nations torn asunder...basically, we've shown just what level of frightened warmongers we apes really are.

are you:

a) 65+ to remember the "good old days" of republicanism or
b) a history buff

In reply to this comment by packo:
funny but back then, republicans were a whole different party, they actually cared about the little guy, as opposed to being corporate lackeys

and democrats with their "lack" of conservatism were close to being commies... RED SCARE!!!

but good job going back 50+ years to find something to make fun of democrats
to make fun of republicans you only have to go back as far as last week

not that I'm a fan of either really
today both are corporate stooges and are selling your rights out from under you
not that any of you seem to care

funny but back then, republicans were a whole different party, they actually cared about the little guy, as opposed to being corporate lackeys

and democrats with their "lack" of conservatism were close to being commies... RED SCARE!!!

but good job going back 50+ years to find something to make fun of democrats
to make fun of republicans you only have to go back as far as last week

not that I'm a fan of either really
today both are corporate stooges and are selling your rights out from under you
not that any of you seem to care

>> ^jwray:

>> ^reiwan:
>> ^volumptuous:
"Could have been" is not a very good justification for militarized police terrorizing citizens.

They go off of the information that they have, and their level of force they use is indicative of that. Hind sight is always 20/20. Drug dealers have lots of drugs. Drug dealers also have weapons. Nobody would be saying anything if this ended up being the largest drug bust in Columbia this year.

If some bogus tip that was extracted under duress (i.e. plea bargain) can lead to this kind of raid, then we're still doing the same shit as the Salem witch trails.


You mean the red scare, or the Red Scare 2001?

"In God We Trust" predates the Red Scare by a long time. It was suggested during the Civil War as a way to indicate to future generations that despite the country being "shattered beyond reconstruction", no, we were not a "heathen nation."

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust for the text of the letter making that suggestion.

Not quite related, but it strikes me as funny that the pagan goddess, Libertas, gets so much stage time along side "In God We Trust" given that whole First Commandment (Second in Judaism) deal.

.......

RED SCARE HAS COME TO A NEIGHBORHOOD NEAR YOU!!!!

Okay, so some mainstream political groups attempted to take over public space, using hyper-nationalism as their battle cry, and the 9/11/01 dead as their sacred cows. Then they whine that, in SF of all places, somebody might feel that their public display was offensive, and coordinate a counter demonstration.

They jump right on the red-scare bandwagon, which is also no a bright move in SF. Revolutionary Socialist Party? Well at least we know which of the dozen active socialist factions in SF he is talking about.

This was all very juvenile, from both sets of demonstrators, but it was at a college campus, we can't really expect much different.

This should not be how "adults" deal with their political differences, though we commonly see that as well. All these folks could simply do their thing and ignore the others, it would not have been as big a conflict, it would not have been super-ridiculous-conspiracy-theorist-video-edit worthy, and none of the rest of us would have ever had to deal with it.

Oh yeah, and $10 says the guy leading the memorial is a member of the college republicans.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Glenn, Beck, witch, hunt, McCarthysim, McCarthy, communist, Van Jones, red scare, czar' to 'Glenn, Beck, witch, hunt, McCarthyism, McCarthy, communist, Van Jones, red scare, czar' - edited by MrFisk

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Joseph McCarthy, Joseph Welch, Fred Fisher, communism, Lawyers Guild' to 'Joseph McCarthy, Joseph Welch, Fred Fisher, communism, Lawyers Guild, red scare, HUAC' - edited by calvados