Also in the new sift version the video is cut in half although it still has all the good bits. You can see it here if you want the proper size. https://www.facebook.com/jack.hulme.33/videos/vb.100000216373817/1926464184037442/?type=2&theater
or you can watch it in the old sift version which is also properly sized https://videosift.com/video/Thats-One-Way-To-Escape-A-Police-Raid?vs6=optout

How is it not surprising that the problem sees no problem?

You say : "I don't see people getting beat up, or shot, or assaulted, or arrested for no reason"
So, those that were "beat up, or shot, or assaulted, or arrested", were for a good reason, right?

Ever consider that those reasons are often made up?
Ever consider that the stories you heard around the water cooler were simply B.S., and it was in fact the police simply preying on innocent people?



Just what exactly does LE do for me, or anyone?

Do police have super powers and spidey senses?
Will they magically teleport to someone getting raped, and prevent it?
Will they magically teleport to someone getting run over, and prevent it?
Will they magically teleport to someone getting beaten, and prevent it?
Will they magically teleport to someone getting robbed, and prevent it?
The answer is : no.

Police can't actually /help/ anyone.
They can only show up after the fact, and ask you what happened, and if you know who did it.
If you don't know who it was, tough shit. Sucks to be you.
Unlike on TV, there is no in-depth investigation. The most they do is tell you to call them if you remember something else. (This is speaking from experience)

What if you're not around to even tell them anything? Almost every murder committed by an unrelated stranger without witnesses or video goes unsolved.
Why? Because all police know how to do is ask friends/family where they were, and if everyone has an excuse, police got nothing.

At least when a normal person [that you can identify] harms you, you /can/ call the police, and maybe, just maybe, if they feel like it, they will round them up after the fact.

(They often don't. We've had people dumping trash on our land : police didn't respond. We've had people hunting [strangers shooting guns] on our property : police didn't respond. Brought evidence of a fraud to the police station, with account numbers, names, addresses : we won't investigate. The only time they ever came was to talk with my mother after she reported her credit card number was being used by a stranger - LOL, of all the things, they bother coming for /that/?)

But if the police harm you, you've got nowhere to turn to - but them. And they care more about each other, than some stranger.

Heck, I've been tailgated by a cop, on a multi-lane road, so close his headlights weren't even visible over my trunk. He could have gone around me any time. After miles, when I finally sped up - BAM. Ticket.

I've pulled up to a roadblock by my house, and asked if I could go by. The guy was so incensed that he detained me for hours, and told me I was threatening his life, reckless driving, and not wearing a seatbelt.

I've been threatened by a cop - because I interrupted her chat with her girlfriend to ask for directions around a road they were closing off.

I've been pulled over with gun drawn, for trivial speeding (well below reckless).

Seriously people, every time you get pulled over, you are at risk of getting shot, because someone is trained to be suspicious and paranoid, and they saw something shiny.

Just look at how they behave. Cop shoots his daughter in his own garage, because he thought she was a burglar.
What, too much to ask just to look at the person to see if they're even a burglar? Shoot first ask questions later.

Every year there are multiple cases of police raiding a house and shooting people - only to find out it was the wrong house. What, too much trouble to be a decent human being and just knock first, and ask for whoever they need to come out?

Oh, but that might put them at a greater risk. And we all know that police take MINIMAL risks themselves, and instead risk the lives of the citizens. (Why not approach with gun drawn? At least you're ready to shoot the suspect. And if you accidentally shoot the suspect, oh well, just say they 'attacked'. No biggie. Why take the risk.)
The biggest risk they take, is the one they dream up for when they want to take credit for being the heroes they never were.

Look at the friggin VT shooting. Swarms of cops surrounding a building. Man inside, could be killing more people by the moment... and the cops just camp out and wait for him to kill himself.
Worst part, is if it were my family inside, and I tried to go in and stop the shooter, the police would just shoot me for trying to enter.

(And no, police don't deserve heroic praise. They deserve the _pay_check_ they signed up for. If that's not enough, they should take life more seriously and really think about what it is they're getting into, before they do it. Take responsibility, like an adult should.)

The police are a liability. They're armed. They're selfish. They're paranoid and suspicious. They're jumpy.
IMO, the best thing to do is keep away from them, don't look at them, don't talk to them. Stay away, and stay safe.

Oh yeah, and the police are also immune form the constitution's equal protection clause. "Because interpretation".

Look at the numbers. You are less likely to be arrested or go to jail in NORTH KOREA, than here in the U.S. of A. By a factor of 4 last I checked.
What the heck is going on here?

1 in 18 men is either in jail, on parole, or somewhere in the process of going to jail.
Most of the countries in Europe have smaller populations, than the people that we have 'in the system'. And most of the people we have 'in the system', never even harmed another person. They're just arrested for 'behavior crimes' - simply doing things that are not allowed. This is madness. The system is mad, the police are mad.

You don't end up with videos of a gang of police acting like gangsters, if it's a matter of 'a few bad apples'. They all have to be in the same frame of mind.
If they weren't all of the same frame of mind, one would do something bad, and the others would say "whoa there man, you're out of line".
But instead, they all do it. Because there are no 'bad apples'.
There is 'bad training', and 'bad culture', and it permeates the profession.

And when I say bad, I don't mean that "they are trained to be thugs".
I mean that the police don't see suspects as 'citizens (members of the state) that the police are on the side of'.
Whoever crosses their path is dehumanized. Some kind of "other", that the police need to protect society from. Not realizing that those people /are/ society, and /they/ need protection.
The kind of behavior that I see in these kinds of videos, it's simply treason. Betrayal of the state.

If the laws of this country were written to provide restitution to victims - and there were no laws to simply tell people how to live, and if the police spent their time providing restitution to victims, then I would have nothing but the greatest appreciation for the police.
As it stands, there's very little nobility around this profession. Majority of the job is simply picking on people - sometimes because they did harm, but usually because they mind their own business in an unapproved of way, or for kicks.

-scheherazade

The evidence supports that, what with the number of police raids that take place over youtube footage. Seriously, these guys are clearly right across the street from the other guy who was detained. They are even heard commenting on the other guy ("look at this dude"). They can also be heard yelling at the cops to warn them that the dog is out and running up on them. The cops knew they were there and exactly what was going on.

So much no, this was irresponsible pet owner who was very close to a police raid (as is obviously evident by the number of cars and the assault weapon that is clearly visible around 3:00). The police are detaining him likely until they can ensure that he is not attempting to cause problems. Notice how the guys across the street from the guy being detained were fine continuing to record, were allowed to take the video away (despite showing a cop shooting a dog).

The dog did not deserve to be placed in a situation. But with your argument, if I saw a friend getting arrested I am entitled to charge cops and not get tazed or shot? To hell with that. But you know, its cool to blame cops whenever people do something dumb, illegal, or dangerous. Its cool to give them a hard time when they are trying to do their job and you know, protect someone.

I don't think there's enough information yet on this story to make a conclusion about it, I mean everyone instantly makes an opinion based on how the news report the situation and what facts they report. I mean the guy could actually secretly be helping drug dealers, he could of been doing a load of fucked up shit secretly, but just cus he's a marine he's labelled an automatic good guy. Personally I don't think anyone in the armed forces is a good guy, I think they all just want to get paid for murdering people without going to jail, same goes for SWAT.

Also the thing about him thinking it was home invaders. Don't most well equipped home invaders target high priced homes, that neighbourhood didn't look particularly high class at all. It should be obvious that it was a police raid, so it's his own fault at pointing an assualt rifle at the police.

Tho very sobering, I think it adds to the integrity of the site to allow these kinds of videos.

And tho I disagree with sheltering yourself from reality, no one should ever accidentally watch this.

It needs a better title. I think VS should also employ a pop up "click ok" warning for videos like this.

"Police Raid Ends in Murder" would be a better title imo.

>> ^JiggaJonson:

@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/Yogi" title="member since May 15th, 2009" class="profilelink">Yogi @Shepppard
Are you fucking kidding me? You mean the 16 seconds of warning messages at the beginning wasn't enough to tell you? I didn't trick you into watching anything unless a statement like
"Warning: the following video depicts a Weber County, Utah, police raid in which a man is shot to death,"
can be misinterpreted, I don't see how either of you have much to stand on. Ok I guess I didn't put "kill" in the tags but "murder" is in there (so give me a break eh?). That said I'd be willing to change it to something less pseudo-humorous out of respect for the victim.
Suggestions?


Video is good but change the title.
Based on your title I expected the same as Shepppard - comedy. I did see the warnings and changed my expectations, but still.

@Yogi @Shepppard

Are you fucking kidding me? You mean the 16 seconds of warning messages at the beginning wasn't enough to tell you? I didn't trick you into watching anything unless a statement like

"Warning: the following video depicts a Weber County, Utah, police raid in which a man is shot to death,"

can be misinterpreted, I don't see how either of you have much to stand on. Ok I guess I didn't put "kill" in the tags but "murder" is in there (so give me a break eh?). That said I'd be willing to change it to something less pseudo-humorous out of respect for the victim.

Suggestions?

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

So, point out the millions of videos of cops acting bad... What about the lazy citizens, criminal citizens and such who act worse?Your justification for a cops "bad behaviour" is that criminals act much worse? How like criminals do you think cops should act?>> ^Lawdeedaw:
Is our nation's society, the system we all run by, or any other nation's system for that matter, broken? Broken is the wrong word. The right word would be imperfect. Given that society is a constantly evolving system, hopefully to the benefit of the whole, broken is a silly word. So let's try again:>> ^Lawdeedaw:
Is our nation's society, the system we all run by, or any other nation's system for that matter, imperfect? Yes. Emphatically, yes.
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
The mother who sprays her child with a pressure washer? The crackhead who leaves her baby in a car, or let's her baby suffocate in the couch because she is passed out? WHY! Motherhood must be a flawed system! Or the robber who shoots the head off a bank teller? Why, open banks are flawed systems!False analogy. Attributing a bank teller's head being blown off to open banks is the same as attributing an innocent man's innocenter dogs murder during a police raid to the unarmored nature of the dog.>> ^Lawdeedaw:

Please spare the hyperbole...The irony! It's thick! >> ^Lawdeedaw:
cops are people who need weeded just like every other person-- Here we agree. Everyone needs to get a little weeded every now and then.>> ^Lawdeedaw:
... And more get fired than before too.[citation needed] You sound like a religious zealot who bashes atheists.???

You sound like one hand clapping.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:
And what have you done personally to change the system? Do you vote for or against Sheriffs who are elcected officals? Have you written to a mayor about abuse? No? Have you supported candidates who can effect change? No?No. I've done none of these things.

But what of you? Have you organized parades in support of the judicial system? Have you given back rubs to your local "S"herrif? No? Have you ever purchased a sexy policeman calendar? No?

Ahh, well, then, your argument must be invalid.
>> ^Matthu:
>> ^lantern53:
If every police officer in this country acted this way, there would be armed revolution.
But these are two shitbirds out of hundreds of thousands of honest cops who risk their lives to keep the peace and try to preserve justice.
Don't judge thousands of cops on the basis of these two idiots who should be canned...or caned.
Would you like to be judged by the action of one of your co-workers?
Don't be a knee-jerk clone and try to paint all police officers by the actions of these two.

Lol... Getting so sick of hearing this bullshit copy pasta. How many videos of abusive cops need to be put up before they're considered evidence of a flawed justice system.
You're the clone, open your eyes. If police officers continue to act this way there will be an armed revolution.
And I'm not judging hundreds of thousands of cops on the basis of these two idiots. I'm judging the system which creates an unacceptable amount of abusers.

I *know* this will be long. But understanding things should never be allowed to be reduced to sound bites and short sentences.

Police raided a school as an exercise? Not even some warrents? Sounds like some individuals whom need to be held accountible for their jobs. Which could be fines, jail time, lose of job, and so on. People make mistakes, and do dumb things. Can you honestly say you haven't done dumb things in your life so far?

The narrator is trying to use fear, to get the proper response out of you, the audience. To some degree, as with posters above, he succeeds at the task. He uses a collection of words and phrases, and links them to imagery, sounds, and even old pictures. In ways, this concept is known as NLP, or, Neuro-logical programming (look it up in wikipedia, its both fascinating and scary stuff).

Police have to keep up with technology and tactics, as their duty in our country, is to up hold the law. The legistators create laws, the executive signs such law in to effect. Its the law enforcement (i.e. the police, FBI, and other local/state/federal agencies) whom maintain the law. The justices decide on whether the laws are within Consitituional limits, or if they breach them. All these sets of checks & balances do not work, if the citizens of the country let in to the fear this narrator wants you to feel. I know the police in my town. Friendly bunch whom work very hard to keep things normal and safe. They are very much studied and watched. We pay them very well, and make sure they have the proper tools to do their job correctly, honestly, lawfully, and to be responsible.

The 'police state' effect, that the narrator talks about, did come in to effect during the Bush Administration. The US Patriot Act was passed in to law very quickly, shortly after Sept. 11, 2001. One of its passages allowed the goverment to circumvent the 4th Amendment, allowing the White House to 'spy' on over 300 million Americans. This was conducted in an effort to catch and eliminate "...those whom are a threat to our country." This narrator does not hold Mr. Bush, nor the White House accountible to each and every time, this action took place.

If I recall the issue of military 'APC's for Waco, Tx correctly. The Branch Davidians were holed up in a central structure compound with numberous fire arms. Now, this by itself was not illegal. The agents conducting the warrents and arrests initally were met with the civilian sold version of the Barrett M82A1 'light fifty' rifle. This weapon, to my knowledge, is a single shot weapon (the military version can fire rounds from a magizine....I think?). I'm sure the gun nuts on here could inform us, of the gun's name. Anyways, this weapon, like its military cousin, could blow holes through armored police cars. The APCs were used to conduct operations and hopefully bring the matter to a non-violent conclusion. As the history books show, this did not happen. But the police, and FBI, did not racket up their skills and tools in a vacuum. After the event was over, there were a number of studies on the issue, and people held properly (depending on one's viewpoint I guess) of their actions and inactions that led to the events.

If you, the citizen really are consern about the nature of the police or law enforcement, then why not go visit the police. Talk to them, become active in your community and seriously look at how a police state could be formed, and take proper, legal, honest action to oppose it. Believe it or not, the police I know, are AGAINST a police state. And they are in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (since, some of you conversatives think us Mass residents are all commie, liberal, socialistic, islamic happy, tree hugging, yuppy, homosexual liking, religios hating, psych-paths....did I leave anything out?). In fact, thsoe whom are liberal REALLY are against the police state. We voted to remove Republicans at the federal level, out of office (since the Bush admin *IS* Republican).


Finally, recall its Thomas Jefferson that said, (paraphrasingly) that if we are afraid to speak our minds in pursuit of our nations freedoms and equalities, then we allow tyranny to win.

>> ^Skeeve:
So...

Did I just hear the police raided a school for a training exercise without warning?

>> ^Asmo:
>> ^SDGundamX:
Considering that Hitler and the Nazis were only able to accomplish their rise to power through assassinating political opposition and terrorizing the streets with gangs of thugs, I think the comparison is a bit overly dramatic.

You may want to check your history, the fascists rose to power on the backs of anti-Semetic sentiment and nationalism linked to the time of the Great Depression. It wasn't until they were in power that the thugs/assassination started...


No one is preventing these people from peacefully demonstrating. The cops have arrested no one. My guess is there was a threat on the RNC (bomb threat or otherwise) which set off the searches.

Your guess is wrong, the people raided were listed in the illegally confiscated notes of a journalist (it was sifted the other day). There was no probable cause to search the journalist, his gear (camera, laptop etc) was confiscated without receipt and all of a sudden there are raids on the protest organisers...
Sounds like the Gestapo to me...
You know what else is really scary? The amount of people who not only turned a blind eye to the actions of the Nazi's but who actually made up excuses for their excesses.
The one chance you guys get is that the democratic system is still in place (for now) and you make effect your own regime change at the next election. G'luck!


Just to come back to this... apparently arrests were made at these raids (there weren't any mentioned at the time I posted). However, the media is reporting the police made the arrests based on paid informants and it seems that several of the arrests were justified (some of the people involved were clearly not planning "peaceful" protests).

I will agree I was oversimplifying when speaking about the Nazis. My intent wasn't to provide a detailed history lesson of the rise of the Nazi party. I will simply contest the idea that the Nazis did not resort to violence until after they gained power. You can "check the history" yourself on wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_German_Workers_Party

I like that they remained calm, spoke with lawyers, etc.. Its very interesting that these police raids so clearly came down from orders on-high,... possibly from Republicans???

If only they were wearing business clothes, or even business casual, I think the images of professionals being detained would actually be more contrasting, more serious, and more appropriate.

Krupo, I think this video is more interesting, shot from inside one of the houses under pre-emptive seize all equipment and computers raid.

http://www.videosift.com/video/More-RNC-pre-emptive-police-raids-and-detaining-journalists

>> ^SDGundamX:
Considering that Hitler and the Nazis were only able to accomplish their rise to power through assassinating political opposition and terrorizing the streets with gangs of thugs, I think the comparison is a bit overly dramatic.


You may want to check your history, the fascists rose to power on the backs of anti-Semetic sentiment and nationalism linked to the time of the Great Depression. It wasn't until they were in power that the thugs/assassination started...



No one is preventing these people from peacefully demonstrating. The cops have arrested no one. My guess is there was a threat on the RNC (bomb threat or otherwise) which set off the searches.


Your guess is wrong, the people raided were listed in the illegally confiscated notes of a journalist (it was sifted the other day). There was no probable cause to search the journalist, his gear (camera, laptop etc) was confiscated without receipt and all of a sudden there are raids on the protest organisers...

Sounds like the Gestapo to me...

You know what else is really scary? The amount of people who not only turned a blind eye to the actions of the Nazi's but who actually made up excuses for their excesses.

The one chance you guys get is that the democratic system is still in place (for now) and you make effect your own regime change at the next election. G'luck!