What non cultist believes Trump didn't participate in the child rapes?

By his own public admission he's a pedophile who leered at and groped little girls at his events, using his position to force his way into dressing rooms for underage girls to watch them undress repeatedly, we know this from his own admission, actually his own braggadocio in interviews.
He's on camera with Epstein, who's entire life was one long pedophilic abuse session, dozens of times, often alone except for the gaggle of underage girls they tricked into coming to the events.
Everyone knew about Epstein, he was prosecuted for child abuse that happened in 2005. "He was convicted of only these two crimes as part of a controversial plea deal; federal officials had identified 36 girls, some as young as 14 years old, whom Epstein had allegedly sexually abused". This was common knowledge long before he was prosecuted and plead guilty.

Now Trump publicly wishes his co-abuser and facilitator well. Could it be he fears what she might say without a pardon waiting for her, just like Roger Stone, another of Trump's partners in crime?

If you're a Christian and you support this man, know now that you are definitely going to hell.
If you're a parent and you support this man, your children should be removed from your pro-child-rapist household.

The full list of known indictments and plea deals:

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser. Arrested July 2017. Pleaded guilty October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. 14-day sentence.

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair. Indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team. First trial ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them).

3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller. He was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 6 months of home detention in October 2018.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail and has completed his sentence.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case last year.

24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.

36) Michael Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer. In August 2018 pleaded guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations — related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump, as part of a separate investigation in New York (that Mueller had handed off). He made a plea deal with Mueller too, for lying to Congress about efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

37) Roger Stone: January 2019, longtime Trump adviser indicted on 7 counts. Stone of is accused of lying to the House Intelligence Committee about his efforts to get in touch with WikiLeaks during the campaign, and tampering with a witness who could have debunked his story.

One other person initially investigated, but handed over to others in the Justice Department to charge: Sam Patten. This Republican operative and lobbyist pleaded guilty to not registering as a foreign agent with his work for Ukrainian political bigwigs, and agreed to cooperate with the government.

Regarding Perry and Counts: that was in 1991. Again it's terrible, but you can't really argue that we're suddenly "abandoning of proof and evidence".

Re Banks: That's undoubtedly terrible, but to me, that's far more of an indictment of the appalling state of the US justice system and the nightmare of the utterly broken plea bargain system (I think John Oliver did a report on it, and I'd also highly recommend listening to the current season of the Serial podcast). He chose to take the plea deal... he wasn't convicted.

I think it's also not a coincidence that all three victims are black. Juries are far more likely to convict black men... that's just a fact.

And again, these cases are notable because they're rare.

The point here is simple. Trump's "it's a scary time to be a man" line is complete and utter bullshit. There is no sudden epidemic of false rape allegations. Are people wrongly accused (and in some cases, even convicted) of rape? Undoubtedly.

But it's not a new problem and it's nowhere near as widespread as the right is making it out to be.

Meanwhile, in the USA someone is violated every 98 seconds, and the President mocked a sexual assault survivor.

One of these is a bigger problem than the other.

The alleged victim's testimony was the extent of the prosecution's case against Perry and Counts. There was no physical evidence linking them to the crime.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/05/07/convictions-vacated-26-year-old-rape/588406002/

It was Banks’ word against hers and she was not likely to change her story. After all, Gibson sued the Long Beach Unified School District claiming the school’s lax security provided an unsafe environment that led to the fraudulent rape. She would eventually receive a settlement of 1.5 million dollars.

Brian Banks was faced with an impossible decision at the time – either fight the charges and risk spending 41 years-to-life in prison, or take a plea deal and spend a little over 5 years of actual prison confinement. Although it would mean destroying his chance to go to college and play football, a lengthy probationary period, and a lifetime of registration as a sex offender, Banks chose the lesser of two evils when he pleaded no contest to the charges.

https://californiainnocenceproject.org/read-their-stories/brian-banks/


I'd look up more, but I have to go pick up my wife from work.

Um....he's providing evidence against Trump in the Trump Russia investigation as part of his plea deal....that is about Trump.

Keep denying.

He's pleading guilty to crimes he committed for and during the Trump campaign, through 2017, namely conspiracy against the U.S. by intentionally hiding his foreign agent status and the tens of millions the Russians paid him and lying under oath about them (a gift by Muller who has far more dirt on him but let him off easy), and he's providing documentation about Trump's campaign working with Russia, not so old or unrelated to Trump. Derp.

Maybe Muller will suggest 14 years in prison for Manafort if his evidence proves useful, or perhaps much longer if not. Remember he already has 8 other convictions awaiting sentencing, this takes care of the other 10 charges he had pending.

Yes, conspiracy against the United States, and defrauding the government are fairly big time crimes.

Odd that, when every person Trump hand picked is totally in Russia's pockets and as an administration they go to extreme lengths to hide it, including lying under oath and in official documents until caught, then are convicted or plea guilty, you still try to pretend it's not related to Trump.

He's either outrageously bad at his job, easily tricked by Russia into hiring only Russian operatives, and should be removed, or is complicit and should be removed. Which is it?

Again, if what you're saying is correct, then why didn't Cohen use that as a defense instead of taking a plea deal?

Rush Limbaugh?

Are you joking? You complain about "fake news" yet you listen to a man who lies more than 80% of the time?

And you say there's no ties to campaign fiance when Michael Cohen just plead guilty to two counts of campaign finance violations."

Let me ask you again:

Are you completely delusional or are you just lying out of malice?

The moral corruption and hypocrisy of Trump supporters are just unreal.

It's only not murder because plea deals usually involve lesser charges that a conviction could.
The DA was going to try him again for murder and murder 2, but accepted this deal with the feds to avoid another possibly hung jury or even acquittal. That's how plea deals work.
I found it amazing he willingly took a 20 year sentence considering how cops usually fare in courts, I only wish it was in State prison gen pop instead of club fed's special unit.

I fully agree that the expectations for justice against bad cops are depressingly low, and I agree this outcome was far better than the average yet still not fully justice.

Cool story, bro.

Except that in this video the only person in clear and immediate danger of dying is the guy who got sucker punched and took a header into the concrete. Blind guy, meanwhile, barely got rocked by the first punch and is in no immediate danger of dying. The facts, therefore, kind of negate your whole argument while strengthening mine.

Also, I provided ample links to show the relevant laws which come into play here and would force most DAs into prosecuting. Here's another one: take a look at California Penal Code 192(b). It doesn't matter that the kid was engaged in a lawful act (defending someone else). Someone was unlawfully killed and it's the DA's job to do something about it. Your counter-argument was essentially: "Nuh-uh, cuz I say so."

...wut?

I've argued with you about stuff before and you've always been good at using evidence-based reasoning to support your position. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were having an off-day with that reply (pressed for time in responding perhaps).

BTW, I think the fact that we disagree on this is yet another reason why a competent DA would let a jury decide rather than make the call him/herself. Their job is to determine whether there is enough evidence available that someone has broken the law to prosecute them. In this case we would have the video and multiple eye-witnesses showing a killing punch being thrown. Again, I don't see how any decent DA can NOT prosecute at that point. Their job is to represent the state and prosecute those who break the state's laws. It's the defense attorney's job to counter that the law was broken for good reason (self-defense), not the DA's job. It's the jury's job to determine if a killing in self-defense is reasonable under the circumstances, again not the DA's.

DA's do sometimes decide not to prosecute when there is overwhelming evidence that the killing was justified and a trial would be a waste of time and money, but this isn't one of those cases. For example, if the video showed the bully attacking the blind kid with a knife and then getting killed by a sucker punch from someone trying to stop him, it's unlikely any DA would take action.

At the end of the day, while I think if the kid had killed the bully he would have been charged with manslaughter, I also think it would be unlikely to actually go to trial. Especially if the kid throwing the killing punch is a first-time offender, the DA would likely offer a plea deal for a lesser charge.

Anyways, can we at least agree that it is great that no one was seriously injured in this incident?

It's just bad legislature towards the role of a police force creating poor incentives to earn revenue rather than 'serve and protect'. I'm sure state budget cuts of late given the low growth rate have been an additional squeeze. The Economist had an article about this practice at federal/state level, particularly with the Justice Department essentially now being seen as profit centre.

Bit off topic, but the article itself is an interesting take on how back door settlements (particularly with banks recently) have not been in the public interest when they have circumvented the legal system (without establishing precedent and on dubious grounds having never actually been presented publicly as evidence) and have usually led to nobody personally prosecuted and no admission of guilt through a plea deal.

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21614101-corporate-america-finding-it-ever-harder-stay-right-side-law-mammoth-guilt

In his adult life, Kevin McCallister was the most inventive, yet hideously sadistic serial killer the FBI ever investigated. They only managed to capture him by working with 2 reluctant convicts, the first and only surviving victims of McCallister reign of terror, in a plea deal to reduce their sentence they agree lure McCallister out with the most tempting kind of bait: the 2 that got away

Journalists like to make Marissa Alexander look innocent so they can get more click-throughs, but you can find a summary here, and scroll down to read the actual court documents that journalists are ignoring.

She knew she was guilty and that she was risking being sentenced under mandatory sentencing laws, but she still refused to take the plea deal for 3 years.


That being said, there does seem to be wide agreement that this isn't the intended type of case for these mandatory sentencing laws, and perhaps changes will result from that.


People who actually live in Greece would kill to have the opportunities people in the US have... even if they don't take advantage of them.

And there is the same as here; you can't shoot at people, narrowly missing them, in order to win an argument, and then go assault them again once you're out on bail.

Another example of the federal justice system in the US. Here's your plea deal. accept it or we'll go for 20 years and if possible find a way to prosecute your wife and your kids too.

Yeah the presenters are someone I wouldn't listen to if they were telling me to stop a rape in progress at that moment. Still I thought this was something like they haven't gone to court yet, but they reached a plea deal and apparently that plea deal ties the hands of the victime? No that's bullshit it shouldn't be required for the VICTIM to do anything. If they send her to prison that's fucked up and I hope that judge gets raped.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann

Here is a man that Perry allowed to be killed on his watch, who is almost certainly innocent. Turned down a plea deal and went to court, because he knew he was innocent.

It's a long article, and well worth the read.

You know Perry knows about him, too. He mentions "killer of children" in his reasoning of who should die.

Stupid Bible Belt Old Testament wrath. Give me New Testament any day. At least it is moral -- love thy neighbor as thyself, or whatever the heck the actual words are.