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Operation Wheelchair

dannym3141 says...

It's PR for the community and its spirit really.

To be honest it's not the average civilian i'd be worried about in any modern town, even in deprived areas. It's the pickpocket gangs, and drunken louts that can be more prevalent at night. I think the average every day civilian would at the very least be fair to the man in those circumstances, if not make some attempt to help him.

cloudballoon said:

I live in Toronto, Canada... I can imagine the same thing CAN happen here with likely similar outcome. But, the potential risk great bodily injuries is not unimaginable either.

When you live in a big city, anything, good or bad, can happen with a roll of the dice.

Is it really smart PR?

Next leak will lead to arrest of Hillary Clinton – Assange

dannym3141 says...

You'd also confirm the pickpocket was guilty, wouldn't you? Well I would - I don't just believe everything I see or hear. I didn't mention it explicitly because I expect everyone to question all of their sources all of the time, like I do. But I don't see how that would make it make less sense, rather that it is more or less accurate of a comparison...? anyway.

In light of that, I think my example not only makes sense but is more valid than yours because yours introduces feelings and bias towards the involved parties that only make metaphorical sense if you refer to jingoistic crap about blindly loyal American nationalism and fear/hatred of Russians somehow. Which is kind of the point I'm questioning in the first place; there is a huge difference between 'applying reasonable doubt to your sources' (your point) and using the Russian excuse to ignore the actual problem (my point).

Also has there ever been an American intelligence leak/failure that was NOT linked to the Russians? I hope we're not reverting to the kind of cold war style paranoia that 10 years ago we would have laughed at around here. Somewhere there's a flow chart in the White House that has 12 boxes on one side listing possible internal failures and fuck ups and they all point to one box on the other side saying "Blame Russia".

If you're genuinely worried about the source making the leak up and it all being just faked, you best take that up with Wikileaks. They have a very robust reputation, the kind that you don't earn easily. It doesn't make them right, but it means you have to make a strong point against them. I feel like it wouldn't be all that hard for anyone with the clearance to check and confirm if it was a Russian fabrication, and then a story confirming Wikileaks was talking bullshit, releasing Russian propaganda, would be huge news.

Babymech said:

He may be telling the truth, but you should probably try to find other confirmation before you do anything.

Next leak will lead to arrest of Hillary Clinton – Assange

Babymech says...

The pickpocket comparison doesn't make sense - it's more like listening to an acquaintance who says your girl's been cheating, when you know that he wants to get with her. He may be telling the truth, but you should probably try to find other confirmation before you do anything.

dannym3141 said:

This Russia criticism - I don't understand. Is a pickpocket any less guilty because a Russian spotted them stealing from you?

And in my experience, RT is more reliable than the average western sources. It has its own bias, but by Christ if you think Rupert Murdoch is any better than the Kremlin when it comes to self-serving two-facery.. well, I have a magic golden egg laying hen to sell you.

Next leak will lead to arrest of Hillary Clinton – Assange

dannym3141 says...

This Russia criticism - I don't understand. Is a pickpocket any less guilty because a Russian spotted them stealing from you?

And in my experience, RT is more reliable than the average western sources. It has its own bias, but by Christ if you think Rupert Murdoch is any better than the Kremlin when it comes to self-serving two-facery.. well, I have a magic golden egg laying hen to sell you.

How Fallout Proves Morality Is Arbitrary

00Scud00 says...

I remember playing Fallout 1/2 and being a "Savior of the Wasteland" and being a stealthy character robbing everyone blind. I'd pickpocket fancy armor off some shopkeeper and then promptly sell it back to him. I did however give most slavers the dynamite in the pants treatment on general principal.

The sharp-eyed bus passenger

JustSaying says...

Easy, the bus guy entered sneak mode, pressed the use button to pickpocket once the biker was close enough. While he looked through the biker's inventory and took probably his gold and maybe some necklaces and rings, he accidentally took the keys. Upon realising his mistake he tried to reverse-pickpocket the keys, got the wrong button and droppen them instead. To gain something from the whole botched thing, the bus dude told the biker in the hope to level his speech skill.
He probably just playing some Thief Guild mission now, forging some ledgers. Unless he's with the Dark Brotherhood. Then he tried to poison the biker.

The sharp-eyed bus passenger

sanderbos says...

How about: The buspassenger 'pickpockets' the keys from the biker as they are talking, then has an assistant quickly drive back with those keys and dumps them on the street just before the biker arrives.
I think that makes a lot more sense.

Sniper007 said:

He made them fall ou with black magic then felt guilty. Only rational explanation.

Magician suprises Ellen with up close Magic

Payback says...

Slight of hand and misdirection.

For example, the "pick a card" segment...

With a bit of practice, anyone can make a certain card stay on the top or bottom of the deck while shuffling. Practised talents like this gentleman can then pull that same card out and show it no matter where he seems to pull it from the deck. She actually made it easier for him by choosing the top card. It was always what he was going to show her.

Everything else is just pickpocket talent and shell games.

mxxcon said:

i hate magic unless they explain how it's done!

Insurance scam doesn't go as planned

lucky760 says...

Just read the rest of this conversation and totally agree with @Tusker.

The pickpocket analogy is no analogy for this situation. For it to be even relatable, the criminal would have to attempt and fail to pick the pocket of a police officer in uniform, then run out onto a shooting range where the officer then mistakenly shoots him without being aware the guy tried to pick his pocket.

But climb into an alligator pit? You don't *deserve* to be eaten, but if you are, how can I feel sorry for you when you made a conscious, concerted effort to put yourself into the position where that could happen to you and there's no possible way it would have ever happened to you otherwise.

Insurance scam doesn't go as planned

Lawdeedaw says...

No one made a conscious decision to run him over? Okay, lets say a cop pulls a gun and his foot slips a bit, and he fires the gun accidentally straight into the pickpocket. You yourself imply that now the analogy is equal...

But even if it is not even, this is what it boils down to:
A completely incompetent driver, worse than a 90 year old blind man with chronic seizures, is out there driving. That is pretty evident and only an idiot would disagree with the video showing overwhelming proof. Therefore, this woman should NEVER, EVER drive. I would have hated that to be some seven-eight year old kid that she "did not see."

At the same time I understand @ChaosEngine, even if I somewhat disagree with him. The car could have easily crushed his head like a melon, left him a vegetable for the state to take of forever, and the funny part of that is even a rapist doesn't get that sentence. Obviously everyone here is for corporal punishment and the death penalty--if you believe this "karma" punishment is appropriate.

Tusker said:

What?! The consequence was a direct result of his actions. If I lie down on the road in front of a car, I expect to get run over. That's a natural consequence of lying down on a surface designed for the carriage of motor vehicles.

Your analogy of a cop shooting someone for pickpocketing makes no sense; no-one made the conscious decision to run over him. If he picked someone's pocket, and in attempting to get away ran out onto the road and got hit by car I'd feel the same, because running out onto a road without looking is stupid and dangerous and likely to result in serious injury, just like throwing yourself on the road in front of a car.

Insurance scam doesn't go as planned

Tusker says...

What?! The consequence was a direct result of his actions. If I lie down on the road in front of a car, I expect to get run over. That's a natural consequence of lying down on a surface designed for the carriage of motor vehicles.

Your analogy of a cop shooting someone for pickpocketing makes no sense; no-one made the conscious decision to run over him. If he picked someone's pocket, and in attempting to get away ran out onto the road and got hit by car I'd feel the same, because running out onto a road without looking is stupid and dangerous and likely to result in serious injury, just like throwing yourself on the road in front of a car.

ChaosEngine said:

The consequences were way out of proportion to the severity of his actions. Everyone has done something stupid in their lives; most of us get a second chance to be less stupid.

Put it this way, if a cop had shot him for pickpocketing someone, would you feel the same?

Insurance scam doesn't go as planned

ChaosEngine says...

The consequences were way out of proportion to the severity of his actions. Everyone has done something stupid in their lives; most of us get a second chance to be less stupid.

Put it this way, if a cop had shot him for pickpocketing someone, would you feel the same?

Tusker said:

He's going to be incredibly seriously injured because he did something incredibly stupid. Whether he "deserved" to be run over or not, it occurred because of his actions; he placed himself in harm's way for no good reason. That doesn't deserve sympathy.

Barseps (Member Profile)

Incredible amount of respect for this lady!!

legacy0100 says...

Frustrating yet relieved to see that the western world is finally noticing the terrible condition these North Koreans live under. As a Korean American I had access to Korean news during the 90s and I remember hearing these horror stories in North Korea, and yet no other First World countries cared enough for this region politically to do anything about it. Hell, if Dennis Rodman can meet the goddamn leader of North Korea, how hard can it be to send a few bowls of porridge into the country? Fucking hell.

The founder and CEO of Hyundai motor group was himself born and raised in North Korea who had immigrated south just before the Korean war began, and he personally spent millions of his personal money to send 1000 full grown cows to north Korea by the truckload, and convince the North Korean leaders to open their borders and accept US/South Korean aid in. That was the 90s she was talking about. Fucking Cows man. Basketball players and Cows.

To this day we have North Korean refugees in China selling their bodies to make ends meet, and little children pickpocketing in the street. This is not some history lesson. This is an on going news coverage.

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