I come bringing viruses and diseases you have no immunity to and no medicines to treat. Here eat my food and handle my possessions.

I can't wait till peaceful aliens land, give us access to all their technology and then accidentally kill half the human race with pathogens we have no defense against.

>> ^NinjaInHeat:

To everyone crying out "OMGOMGOGM, DISEASE GERMS OMG NO!!!", do you have any idea of the type of shit a child will put in his/her mouth during that period in life? Something tells she'll survive this 'ordeal'. I liked the mom's remark about her turning out to be vegetarian, actually, if anything, I imagine this will prove to have a positive impact on her perception and acceptance of death as she grows up.


>> ^Skeeve:

What I want to know is, how is what she did "wrong"?
There might be some cleanliness issues that might make you consider it "wrong" but she wasn't licking it or anything (not something I would be surprised about, considering her age) so if her parents clean her up she will likely be fine.



It's a risk thing. Yes children are routinely exposed to many pathogens, but they are also immunized against the worst of them. Odds are this child will be just fine after this episode, and odds are she will also be fine unrestrained in the back seat of a car. A responsible parent should limit unnecessary risks to their child, and exposing her to zoonotic diseases is a bad move.

These bombs were only good for exterminating deadly air-borne pathogens, and the communities that harbored them.

Yeah but thats how "science" works. Most of what the lady says is probably pretty solid, and based on evidence...but science doesn't just stop with observations and data - the whole point of science is the hypothesis - a "guess" based on observations and data. Maybe her hypothesis is wrong, but its our job to disprove it - and you don't do that by calling it "retarded."

I'll summarize the facts, and you can draw your own conclusions (hypothesis):

1. WHO gives funds, support and cover to labs such as the CDC to bio-prospect for pathogens, bio-engineer them to make them more deadly, and also patent them.

2. WHO has been actively searching for ways to weaken the immune system.

3. WHO gives deadly bio-engineered pathogens to companies such as Baxter in Austria, so that Baxter could use those viruses to deliberately, systematically contaminate vaccine material.

4.If the contamination of the 72 kilos had not been detection on time by a lab technician in the Czech Republic, millions of people would have caught the “bird flu” from the injections.

5. WHO orders a compulsory vaccines for all 194 countries, following “recommendations” by an advisory vaccine group on which executives of Baxter also sit.

6. WHO awards Baxter, Novartis, Sanofi and other companies lucrative contracts to supply those vaccines.

7. Under special pandemic plans enacted around the world… including the USA in 2005, national governments are to be dissolved in the event of a pandemic emergency Governments will be replaced by special committees answerable to the WHO and EU in Europe and to the WHO and UN in North America.

8. The Model Emergency Health Powers Act makes it a criminal offense for Americans to refuse the vaccine.

So far, nobody has refuted ANY of these claims. Maybe the "total picture" is incorrect, but all the pieces certainly seem to be correct. Whether the WHO is trying to dominate the world or not, looking at that list, pretty much all of them look pretty fucked up to me.

>> ^direpickle:
And furthermore the crazy part of the original story is not "omg someone screwed up and the vaccine is contaminated!" It's: "The WHO secretly controls the world is and is going to dissolve all of the world governments by purposefully infecting everyone with murderous (not contaminated) vaccines. (And also all of the governments consented to this four years ago by putting through seeeeecret directives)."

>> ^quantumushroom:
Please stop highlighting the Canadian system, a country of 33 million talking smack about a country of 300 million. Any innovations in medicine up there? How about new drugs? We've got more illegal invaders than Canada has citizens.


Most of the major advances in sports medicine started in Canada, until the surgeon and his team of doctors in London(ont), got a better offer to goto the US. They wouldn't build him a new wing in the hospital. Most of the advances in diabetes come from Canada, we're world leaders in nanomedicine, and regenerative pathogen adaptive type treatments. Most of the big stuff dealing with hyperbaric medicine have come from here. Since I'm too lazy to look beyond what I know, you can do the hard work.

I've got one, when Americans stop coming to Canada for treatment illegally. I'll give a damn about your 'illegal immigrant' problem. You're bleeding border cities dry.

good show about the dysfunction and social pathogens of philly

Wow, just... wow.

See this, everybody, just sift through this. I promise you, around 10:00 you'll start realizing the staggering implications of these findings and your jaw will drop and it'll stay on the ground till the end. If this is all true (and as far as I know there's no reason to say it's not), I have no doubt this is literally the future of medicine, literally THE gateway to the next generation in mankind's relationships with bacteria, both pathogenic and beneficial. Hell, I'm pretty confident I can go as far as saying this might even be the single most important discovery since Pasteur, Leeuwenhoek and Koch.

Thanks, deathcow, I will be forwarding this sift to all the English-speaking people working in the field of medicine that I know

From Wiki: "Scabies is transmitted readily, often throughout an entire household, by skin-to-skin contact with an infected person (e.g. bed partners, schoolmates, daycare), and thus is sometimes classed as a sexually transmitted disease. Spread by clothing, bedding, or towels is a less significant risk, and is almost impossible."

From MedicineNet.com: "It is hard, if not impossible, to catch scabies by shaking hands, hanging your coat next to someone who has it, or even sharing bedclothes that had mites in them the night before. The physical contact required to contract scabies may, however, be sexual, and sexual contact is the most common form of transmission among sexually active young people."

Hand-holding won't do it. If your kids are engaging in skin-to-skin contact with employees at a clothing store, I'd be worried about that much more than them potentially getting bugs.

Also, most kids are healthier than adults. Kids get more exercise and have been exposed to environmental pathogens for a considerably shorter length of time. Children as a general rule have the healthiest immune systems. And your immune system really has nothing to do with bugs burying themselves in your skin. The body can generally kill off the larvae, but not the actual bugs, but that's not an immune system issue.

"My response is that when Creationists talk about God creating every individual species as a separate act, they always instance hummingbirds, or orchids, sunflowers and beautiful things. But I tend to think instead of a parasitic worm that is boring through the eye of a boy sitting on the bank of a river in West Africa, [a worm] that's going to make him blind. And [I ask them], 'Are you telling me that the God you believe in, who you also say is an all-merciful God, who cares for each one of us individually, are you saying that God created this worm that can live in no other way than in an innocent child's eyeball? Because that doesn't seem to me to coincide with a God who's full of mercy'"

If Huckabee he believes all species are created by God, I don't think he's connected the dots yet by instantiating that universal quantifier to parasites and pathogens. A benevolent god would not create a species that can only survive by torturing people.

Harmless strains of E Coli are part of the normal, beneficial flora of the human gut, so it seems plausible that they're also present in the normal, beneficial flora of the human vagina.

Harmless strains [of E Coli] are part of the normal flora of the gut, and can benefit their hosts by producing vitamin K2,[3] or by preventing the establishment of pathogenic bacteria within the intestine.[4][5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_coli

Since a healthy vagina is colonized by a mutually symbiotic flora of microorganisms that protect its host from disease-causing microbes, any attempt to upset this balance [soap, douching, feminine hygiene products] may cause many undesirable outcomes, including but not limited to abnormal discharge and yeast infection. The acidity of a healthy vagina due to lactic acid secreted by symbiotic microorganisms retards the growth of many strains of dangerous microbes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina#Sexual_health_and_hygiene

The speaker puts forth some interesting ideas, I only wish he'd spent more time describing the potential methods for changing the evolutionary track of these pathogens.

I'm neither a D.O. nor Licensed Massage Therapist, but I'd think that its an immune system response to the presence of foreign bodies. From a certain perspective sex is a disgusting exchange of of bacteria and other possible pathogens. The fact it occurs in the mouth and lungs would seem to support that its not the act of sex but the exchange of fluids and air during passionate kissing. If you hermetically sealed both people's heads during the act would the immunological reaction still show up? Could you get the same results if someone spit in your mouth and breathed in your face for an hour a day?

The health benefits I'm aware of for sex are more related to stress relief.

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The first thing that popped into my head about this was "The ScrewFly Solution".

A classic, fantastic SF short story by James TipTree Jr. In her story, some kind of pathogen infected the human race and made males unwillingly seek out and destroy all females. Towards the end, one of the few remaining males who quarantined himself in the deep woods- sees "angels" descending from the sky- and he figures out that the pathogen was released by ETs who wanted to depopulate the planet to make it easier to colonize.

I bet it's something like that ...


Also, I think that M Night has gotten a bit of a bum rap. I've enjoyed all of his movies, even the Lady in the Swimming Pool- or whatever it was called.

Okay you're right, it's way deep and this video is very alarmist.
Yes I am, yes it is, and yes it is.

Rembar could you tell us if it's true that they concluded it was all the Ames type, and if in fact this is "almost" entirely controlled by the pentagon?
It was the Ames strain (not type), although that's poor reporting on this video's part by implying that it is one of many. Although this is true, basically any lab worth its salt doing research on anthrax pathology uses the Ames strain, so that tells people precious little. And no, it is not almost entirely controlled by the Pentagon. It is under national regulation, and not anybody can get their hands on it, but it's a BSL-3 agent, not BSL-4. And that doesn't even cover the samples not held in the US.

People forget that anthrax is a bacteria. Unlike nuclear and chemical weapons, new samples of pathogenic bacteria can be grown from a small sample, and how exactly do you keep inventory of that?

The new work also shows that substantial genetic differences can emerge in two samples of an anthrax culture separated for only three years. This means the attacker's anthrax was not separated from its ancestors at USAMRIID for many generations.'(9 May 2002, New Scientist)
So it wasn't "on the street" for long.
That's what it seems like at first glance, but that conclusion is faulty. Three years of cultivation is a long, long time, especially if you're only collecting material to use in an attack, rather than trying to improve the strain's lethality or resistance to antibiotics or anything in that vein. In certain forms and methods, anthrax can be properly stored in stasis for decades, without necessity of reproduction. Thus, you could keep a sample viable for close to a century, but genetically your strain will be the same generation. In effect, this knowledge instead points to somebody doing a grow-and-throw - in simplified terms, acquiring the anthrax sample, storing it for however long, then growing some, collecting spores, and sending them, then rinsing and repeating as necessary. This means it was not specifically weaponized, contrary to what the newspapers love to tell you, nor would the actual process require very high-level knowledge of microbiology or anthrax in order to perform.

And lol, Constitutional_Patriot, cry more. I'll gladly put a silly video about breast-watching (which is both entertaining and healthy, as the video demonstrates) into my channel over something that's factually inaccurate, something you don't seem to understand as you've demonstrated a number of times that you wouldn't know real science if it bit you in the ass. Don't try to take it out on me with your little passive-aggressive downvoting. Sack up.

Yes - when you are taken to an emergency room, you are treated first, but ~70% of all visits to a hospital do not come through the emergency room, and if you have insurance, and go through the emergency room, you are the one who has to haggle out whether or not that visit was covered by your insurance company.

Otherwise, if you are in the ~70% of people that do NOT go through the emergency room, your doctor has to haggle with your insurance company, in most cases, to determine what is deemed as "covered" by the insurance company. It is in this stage that many people die waiting to be treated - sure, the possibility to treat them is there, but if their insurance company won't cover it, they usually can not afford it...and the insurance companies will deny most every treatment they can.

Well, we'll have to see what happens in Massachusetts then - as Capitalism goes, a 100% demand for something most often raises the prices of it. Do you not think that a 100% demand for insurance will cause insurance companies to increase advertising in Massachusetts, just to get a piece of the pie? Do you not think that such advertising will create more of an economic dependency on the insurance companies, and in turn, they will be forced to raise prices? After all - they're certainly not going to lower them. The risks involved in insuring even just single individuals stays the same, regardless of whether they have one person covered, or an entire state.

"If you look at the past, you'll find people suffering from diseases and facing early death at a much higher rate than today" - oh, so you've seen statistics, eh? Please post the data source here, so I can actually review it. As it stands right now, I have subscriptions to 3 major data warehouses and can't seem to find much of anything prior to the late 1800's(and I've looked, and charted death rates from then to now - if you want them in CSV or any other format, I will export them for you).

No - you learned from your history books that "if you look at the past, you'll find people suffering from diseases and facing early death at a much higher rate than today" in quite a broad sweeping generalization that has very little statistical backing...or actual statistics, for that matter. It's pretty well known that, around every 60-80 years, the human race suffers from a bug that infects around one fifth of it's population, and kills off literally millions - the last happening around 1918(The 1918 Influenza Pandemic).

Now, even with the discovery of antibiotics, the human race is learning of "antibiotic resistant" strings of pathogens - unusual? - I think not. Would it really be all that surprising if another bug infected around one fifth of the human race, starting some time within the next 10 years? Not really - and yet it's just another thing that civilization has not actually helped with.