>> ^Asmo:

>> ^steroidg:
I'm adding celebrity deaths in to the category of "First world problems".

Yup. A million starving children is a statistic. One dead crackwhore who can sing?


I've heard this sort of attitude a lot in the last couple of days and it really bugs me. Just because other things in the world are worse, or other tragedies might affect you more deeply than this, it doesn't mean that this isn't sad or that Amy Winehouse wasn't deserving of our pity. Famine in Africa, terorism in Norway, my friend's cat got put down, my husband being diagnosed with cancer, Amy Winehouse's death. All bad news, all happened recently, and I feel sad about them all in different ways.

>> ^steroidg:

I'm adding celebrity deaths in to the category of "First world problems".


Yup. A million starving children is a statistic. One dead crackwhore who can sing?

A smart, funny, memorable, and engaging way to present a story, making it probably one of the best ways to ask a good question. Not to mention a killer beat. This guy just got a new fan.

As to the question:
Since we are not bound by Godwin's Law I can (,I hope,) use WWII analogies.

I would argue that during a war, the number one priority is to kill your enemy. No one would argue that the assassination plots against Hitler (well over a dozen) should not have been attempted just so that he could be brought to trial to stand for his crimes. If you have the chance to kill a hostile target, you take it.

The Nuremberg Trials were for Nazis who deliberately surrendered. Since they were no longer enemy combatants they had the right to a trial to determine their guilt or innocence. If Osama had deliberately surrendered then he would have had the same benefit. I would only be outraged if he had been killed at the US military base right after his surrender. That is the scenario that would truly have me in fear of my civil liberties.

Would I have preferred that they took him alive? Absolutely, if it were possible with no risk. But you cannot place unreasonable constraints upon the men who are already risking their lives to bring Osama to justice. Having just one dead soldier who takes a bullet while trying to subdue someone who actively wants to kill you is not worth it.

This does not set a dangerous precedent of where we will no longer accept surrenders and bring people to justice in trials for war crimes. This was a military engagement, where two sides met in combat. Just because we were lucky enough to apprehend their leader does not negate the fact it was combat.

Oh no! The first time I've called one dead and it turns out it's really just me

Well I'm glad it's working, it's a bit of fun... I was just going to set the length, but you see the error I got below. Maybe my connection dropped for a second.

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>> ^oritteropo:

Error code: URLNotFound :: HTTP status: 0
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Uh, it works for me. http://www.livevideo.com/flvplayer/embed/1A1B6B948614453EB25DBFCA712685F2 worked too. *notdead

I just declared the original one dead. Which it is.

I don't know what happens now, though. They have two days to fix the embed? After which this would be a dupe. Strictly speaking, it isn't a dupe as of this moment.

The other sifter apparently hasn't done anything on the Sift in either one or two years. Do they care if I steal their thunder?

Do I have a moral obligation to fix the embed code on the original, which will gut this one and effectively bury this vid in the archives?

Or is this vid effectively Risen From The Dead and lives again?

Nice religious metaphor, yeah?

Can I ask any more questions in this comment?

>> ^thinker247:

http://videosift.com/video/Bill-Maher-on-Religion
I don't know how to dupe a video when the original has been removed by the user, but this is a dupe, nonetheless.

See, that's what I mean about poor implementation. The concept is understood, but implemented poorly. Reward is more fun than punishment. Being rewarded for doing something beneficial is fine, being punished for doing something that's detrimental is not as fine.
>> ^blankfist:

@gwiz665, then let's apply some of those "central planning" coercions here. If you don't fix at least one dead video a day, your power points won't recharge and you'll lose 1 star point. That'll incentivize them to do their fair share!
While we're at it, those with more than two power points saved up should share those with members who have little or no power points. Some of us can Sift up to 6 videos at a time, which is also unfair to those who can only Sift 3 videos at a time. We should even the playing field by taking one video spot from each person who has six and giving it over to those less fortunate.
If members don't like these changes, they can leave VideoSift. It's a big internet out there with lots of places for the members to go. We need social justice, and we need it now!

@gwiz665, then let's apply some of those "central planning" coercions here. If you don't fix at least one dead video a day, your power points won't recharge and you'll lose 1 star point. That'll incentivize them to do their fair share!

While we're at it, those with more than two power points saved up should share those with members who have little or no power points. Some of us can Sift up to 6 videos at a time, which is also unfair to those who can only Sift 3 videos at a time. We should even the playing field by taking one video spot from each person who has six and giving it over to those less fortunate.

If members don't like these changes, they can leave VideoSift. It's a big internet out there with lots of places for the members to go. We need social justice, and we need it now!

Your argument seems confused to me sir. Access to guns = Killings at school?
You are right though, same 'pattern' can be observed here. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/23/finland.schoolsworldwide .
IMO only certain trained professionals (+psych eval) absolutely require, and therefore, should have access to non-sporting guns, thats it. If you want to have access to guns designed to kill people (alot, quickly, efficiently), and defend your fellow countryman, become a trained professional. >> ^Buck:

"In 2007, a deranged student killed 32 people at Virginia Tech -- 30 of them in a very short period of time in one building. He didn't need high-capacity magazines because he had two guns and reloaded.
There was no one to stop him.
School shootings that have been halted were almost always stopped by the happenstance of an armed citizen on school property.
In 2002, an immigrant in Virginia started shooting his classmates at the Appalachian Law School in Grundy. Two of his classmates retrieved guns from their cars, forcing the killer to drop his weapon and allowing a third classmate to tackle him.
Thrre dead.
In Santee, Calif., in 2001, when a student began shooting his classmates, the school activated its "safe school plan" -- as the principal later told CNN -- by sending a "trained campus supervisor" to stop the killer.
Possibly not realizing that he was in a gun-free zone, the killer responded by shooting the trained campus supervisor three times. Fortunately, an armed off-duty San Diego policeman happened to be bringing his daughter to school that day. With a gun, he stopped the killer and held him at bay until more police could arrive.
Two dead.
In 1997, a student at Pearl High School in Pearl, Miss., had already shot several people at his high school and was headed for the junior high school when assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieved a .45 pistol from his car and pointed it at the gunman's head, ending the slaughter.
Two dead.
In 1998, a student attending a junior high school dance at a restaurant in Edinboro, Pa., started shooting, whereupon the restaurant owner pulled out his shotgun, chased the gunman from the restaurant and captured him for the police.
One dead.
See the pattern?"
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"Letter writer Barry Ruhl is concerned about a new gun law being proposed in Florida. The changes would bring Florida's laws in line with Utah's. Both require a permit to carry a concealed handgun, but in Utah open-carry is also allowed. It would also allow non-felons to carry in all public places including schools. Ruhl fears that this will degrade public safety.
I would like to point out that Utah's murder rate is just 1.3 per 100,000 and it has never had a school shooting. When Utah enacted its handgun carry laws in 1995, its murder rate was 3.9, three times higher than it is today. Canada's murder rate is 1.8.
In each and every state that has passed a handgun carry law, all rates of crime have dropped immediately and significantly."

"In 2007, a deranged student killed 32 people at Virginia Tech -- 30 of them in a very short period of time in one building. He didn't need high-capacity magazines because he had two guns and reloaded.
There was no one to stop him.
School shootings that have been halted were almost always stopped by the happenstance of an armed citizen on school property.
In 2002, an immigrant in Virginia started shooting his classmates at the Appalachian Law School in Grundy. Two of his classmates retrieved guns from their cars, forcing the killer to drop his weapon and allowing a third classmate to tackle him.
Thrre dead.
In Santee, Calif., in 2001, when a student began shooting his classmates, the school activated its "safe school plan" -- as the principal later told CNN -- by sending a "trained campus supervisor" to stop the killer.
Possibly not realizing that he was in a gun-free zone, the killer responded by shooting the trained campus supervisor three times. Fortunately, an armed off-duty San Diego policeman happened to be bringing his daughter to school that day. With a gun, he stopped the killer and held him at bay until more police could arrive.
Two dead.
In 1997, a student at Pearl High School in Pearl, Miss., had already shot several people at his high school and was headed for the junior high school when assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieved a .45 pistol from his car and pointed it at the gunman's head, ending the slaughter.
Two dead.
In 1998, a student attending a junior high school dance at a restaurant in Edinboro, Pa., started shooting, whereupon the restaurant owner pulled out his shotgun, chased the gunman from the restaurant and captured him for the police.
One dead.

See the pattern?"

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"Letter writer Barry Ruhl is concerned about a new gun law being proposed in Florida. The changes would bring Florida's laws in line with Utah's. Both require a permit to carry a concealed handgun, but in Utah open-carry is also allowed. It would also allow non-felons to carry in all public places including schools. Ruhl fears that this will degrade public safety.

I would like to point out that Utah's murder rate is just 1.3 per 100,000 and it has never had a school shooting. When Utah enacted its handgun carry laws in 1995, its murder rate was 3.9, three times higher than it is today. Canada's murder rate is 1.8.

In each and every state that has passed a handgun carry law, all rates of crime have dropped immediately and significantly."

This isn't loading, just like part one. *dead

>> ^eric3579:

I think this ones dead.


It plays OK right now. Maybe Vimeo was hiccupping, it seems to do that sometimes

I think this ones dead.

Well that's a new one...

*dead due to "This video has been removed as a violation of Youtube's policy prohibiting hate speech."

How do we know this is the same video? Someone should totally resubmit it and mark this one dead.

That is the new way to do things.

I wish I had a pickle

I don't think I would react that way at all. I care about people that get stepped on by others and not for the person doing the stepping. I don't think that cop should die for what he did but I would love to see some street justice on his ass for hitting a kid, fuck the gender issue. Hell even if it was an adult I'd still be saying wtf.

I just think its fucked up that cops can manhandle people, put people under arrest, or taze someone for talking back or not submitting and becoming their bitch for the duration of the stop. And if someone has the balls to help the person in trouble or the person in trouble resists in any way, the they are fucked. Don't matter if you were right or if the cop was using too much force or anything because if you put a finger on one of them your done. Because in the eyes of most people cops are gods among men.

In my eyes they are just regular damn people with a blue shit and a shiny little badge. And I know lots of people would agree that if you saw someone without that shiny badge treating especially a kid that way, youd want to kick his fuckin ass.

I would also like to say in this case he wasn't dealing with crack heads or dangerous people but kids who just got out of school and jaywalked across the street. It's obvious jaywalking doesn't warrant that type of response and according to the person that said they were there the cop started twisting her arm and then slammed her against the car for yelling back. Fuck that.

I was also surrounded by a group of people once. I got a shitty blame-displacement tongue so I got my ass kicked

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

And I would like two women at one time, a classic car, friends from all over the world who love and adore me, my own country, and a pickle. Sadly, I only have the car and pickle right now...
Your fantasy is a delusion. Think about it... Cops = people + authority... Meaning that if you were a cop, you would do the same thing! Also, imagine one of the attackers pulling a knife. As quick as dead. A crowd gets out of control and one dead cop. But you don't care about the cop, his family or anything. In fact, I don't think you care about the "victims" either... I think you just hate.
I was surrounded by a crowd once and unaided by the local fat-police that refused to help me (I am not a cop btw.) It could have been one dead DeeDaw in a manner of minutes. Thank god for my blame-displacement tongue...
I was also followed by a crack head because I told her to leave my neighborhood after she was in my yard and scared my wife and children. She followed me so close, asked if I was scared in a threatening manner and I was thinking, "You damn right, I cannot stand getting cut." Instead I just glared and she slinked away.