Except none of these problems you listed are major problems, or problems whatsoever. Public education is indoctrination for government as savior?! That would be no. I don't remember such indoctrination in math, science, english, gym, or even the most applicable subject, social studies. And guess what? I also taught history in public schools, and I taught things from both liberal and conservative perspectives. In fact, it was required that I do so even if I didn't want to. That's all of course part of the liberal agenda of the county/state I live in, which is one of the most conservative in the nation.

How much of your money actually pays for abortions? Virtually none.

How much of your money actually pays for daycare of anyone else's child? Virtually none.

HELP! HELP! YOU'RE BEING REPRESSED!

>> ^quantumushroom:


If only that were so, my friend. The responsible are chained to the fck-ups, now and forever, because it buys votes.
There is no promotion of responsibility, so we have to pay for the knucklehead gang 'tard to get his tattoos lasered off, we have to pay for overpriced, government school education indoctrination which explains from an early age that Government is the Savior, we have to pay for armies of government bureaucrats whose existence is not need or market-based, and pay again for their "pensions" for jobs half-done or barely done at all. We have to pay for the day care center for teen preggies who made their CHOICE in part because they knew Uncle Scam would pay for everything. We have to pay for the invasion of illegals, their crime, subterfuge and hospital bills. And, of course, we have to pay for the pet projects of the government thieves and thugs who burn our money in a furnace.
There are weak people seeking strength, and then there's the weaklings who prey on the rest of us.
To get votes it's just easier to point a gun at the productive than help up the idiots. Sad truth is sad.
>> ^chilaxe:
Here's the answer Olbermann's looking for: When we grow up, we realize you can warn people a dozen times to not do something stupid, and then when they proudly do it, it's their responsibility, not yours.

A. "Traditional values" and religion haven't a thing to do with how empathetic you are. Remember that we've moved past such traditional values as racism, and we're in the process of dealing with another traditional value of homophobia. And how much empathy was there during the Crusades, a war fought pretty much entirely because of religion? For the record, I have no problem with religion or religious people, or all of what values people deem as "traditional"; I just have a big time problem with people who think only their values count, and only religious people are moral people.
B. How much he makes per year is irrelevant.
C. Since you don't know how much he contributes of his income to charity, gifts, etc., that makes him guilty of not giving enough? Whatever happened to the time old traditional value of "innocent until proven guilty"?

I didn't care for Olbermann's editorial here either, but two wrongs don't make a right.

>> ^quantumushroom:

One of the vermin responsible for destroying traditional values and attacking religion now decries, "a lack of caring".
How much does KEEF make per annum?
How much of it goes to "helping others"?

and then when they proudly do it, it's their responsibility, not yours...

If only that were so, my friend. The responsible are chained to the fck-ups, now and forever, because it buys votes.

There is no promotion of responsibility, so we have to pay for the knucklehead gang 'tard to get his tattoos lasered off, we have to pay for overpriced, government school education indoctrination which explains from an early age that Government is the Savior, we have to pay for armies of government bureaucrats whose existence is not need or market-based, and pay again for their "pensions" for jobs half-done or barely done at all. We have to pay for the day care center for teen preggies who made their CHOICE in part because they knew Uncle Scam would pay for everything. We have to pay for the invasion of illegals, their crime, subterfuge and hospital bills. And, of course, we have to pay for the pet projects of the government thieves and thugs who burn our money in a furnace.

There are weak people seeking strength, and then there's the weaklings who prey on the rest of us.

To get votes it's just easier to point a gun at the productive than help up the idiots. Sad truth is sad.

>> ^chilaxe:

Here's the answer Olbermann's looking for: When we grow up, we realize you can warn people a dozen times to not do something stupid, and then when they proudly do it, it's their responsibility, not yours.

Your video, Olbermann: "Face It! We Do Not Take Care Of Each Other", has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

How ironic that Olbermann is complaining, indirectly, about a lack of whistleblowers.

The entire Murdoch/NotW scandal is based almost solely on the relentless work of the Guardian's Nick Davies, who kept digging and digging until they couldn't bury it anymore. The very same Nick Davies who brought the Guardian and Julian Assange together, the same Nick Davies who is very outspoken with regards to the mistreatment of, allegedly, the most prominent whistleblower of our days -- Bradley Manning.

Here's the answer Olbermann's looking for: When we grow up, we realize you can warn people a dozen times to not do something stupid, and then when they proudly do it, it's their responsibility, not yours.

@bareboards2, I think if you think the rich are getting too much of a benefit from Social Security, then what you need to do is eliminate the payroll tax cap, not means test benefits. It's supposed to be a defined-benefit program where you generally get out what you put in.

Mostly though I think Olbermann's calling on us to change the frame of the debate. Rather than adopt the right's habit of talking about this stuff in dollars and cents, we should be talking about it in terms of lives saved, and suffering alleviated.

When Republicans talk about "cutting out of control spending", what they really mean is making your grandmother who's living on a fixed income have to make do with less. Or making your granddad have to work a job until he's 70 to keep his health insurance.

When they insist "Social Security is bankrupt" they mean "we gave away the Social Security trust fund to rich people over the last 30 years". When they say they want to "get health care costs under control", they mean they want rich people to stop having to help you pay for it when you're old, not actually do anything to bring costs down.

When we talk about "entitlement" programs, we're talking about promises that we, as a society, made to our poor and our elderly. When people talk about wanting to cut those programs back, they're talking about reneging on those commitments. With Medicare and Social Security, they are literally talking about defaulting on a debt owed!

If someone wants to make tweaks to make them more efficient, or if we as a society decide that maybe other things are a higher priority, that's one thing. But what we're going through now is the bill coming due for the last 30 years of a tax holiday for the rich, and the GOP is demanding we pay that bill by taking it out of the hides of society's most vulnerable.

People should be out in the streets with torches and pitchforks. I can't understand why they're not.

>> ^RedSky:

Raising the retirement age is not an attack on the social safety net.


No, just the people who depend on it.

Thanks for the quality! It was indeed one of his better ones.

In reply to this comment by SDGundamX:
I'm not usually an Olbermann fan, but this was awesome. I concur 100%. This goes beyond politics to our own everyday personal philosophy. Just how well are we taking care of each other?

I wish average Americans were as angry as Olbermann is--upset enough to go stand outside the White House and Capitol Building in the thousands or even tens of thousands to demand that politicians do their jobs and stop trying so hard to protect their jobs and get re-elected.

*quality

I'm not usually an Olbermann fan, but this was awesome. I concur 100%. This goes beyond politics to our own everyday personal philosophy. Just how well are we taking care of each other?

I wish average Americans were as angry as Olbermann is--upset enough to go stand outside the White House and Capitol Building in the thousands or even tens of thousands to demand that politicians do their jobs and stop trying so hard to protect their jobs and get re-elected.

*quality

and that theyre all dysfunctional and nuts and the mormon kid maybe believes stupid shit, but he's good people.
>> ^xxovercastxx:

If you think back to the original South Park episode on Mormonism, even though they rip the Mormons for the entire episode, the whole point at the end is that the South Park kids are assholes because they can't look past the Mormon beliefs and just accept the kid for who he is.

>> ^braindonut:

Someone who was actually there wrote into NY Mag to give their account of the situation: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/06/new_yorkers_turned_on_glenn_be.ht
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I'm inclined to believe the writer. Glenn Beck has a history of making mountains out of molehills. Or just straight up inventing bullshit.


I believe her too. I believe her simply because her story seems much more realistic. And in my opinion, the people who write-in to newspapers are not the kind of people who dump wine on people they dont like.

I did think the comment at the top of the NY comments was funny though:

"Another liberal liar. And hypocrite. This includes the rest of the elite, arrogant, mindless apologists who make it sound like this ignorant woman purposely throwing wine on someone is no big deal. Your hatred has consumed you into that which you hate. She is lying so quit making excuses or downplaying the incident. Everyone knows that if this happened to Maddow or Olbermann, you would be spewing hatred against the wine throwers, probably calling for their death while using terms like racist and homophobe. And of course you like to hang out at these liberal websites which support liars and have no qualms about printing lies as long as it is against someone you hate."

Keith and Rush are way too famous to engage us here, but we might be able to get a small time internet broadcaster like this Mark guy to come on. It would be great advertising for his site and maybe dag could give him a discounted ad banner for a day or two.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Haha. Yeah, and while we're at it why don't we invite Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh to VS to debate with us too.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
You should ask Mark to join VS and we could have the debate right here. I'd be down for that.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Actually, one of the other guys on that link (Mark Edge) is a cohost on a podcast/radio station I listen to when I'm working. http://freetalklive.com

You should check them out so you can call in and debate them. That would be fun to listen to.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Hells yeah. Stephen Fucking Molyneux, capitalist televangelist.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Want to go to this?

http://www.btwcruises.com/rw/view/475

Check out the guest speakers.

Haha. Yeah, and while we're at it why don't we invite Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh to VS to debate with us too.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
You should ask Mark to join VS and we could have the debate right here. I'd be down for that.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Actually, one of the other guys on that link (Mark Edge) is a cohost on a podcast/radio station I listen to when I'm working. http://freetalklive.com

You should check them out so you can call in and debate them. That would be fun to listen to.

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
Hells yeah. Stephen Fucking Molyneux, capitalist televangelist.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Want to go to this?

http://www.btwcruises.com/rw/view/475

Check out the guest speakers.

>> ^bareboards2:

Fox News logo???? My mind is reeling!


FOK News. FOK = Friends of Keith.