So, anyone not born in a hospital, deport them. No ss#, deport them.
How do children born here to parents without papers prove it?

Our asylum process is broken. Illegal immigration was in the negatives under Obama, and fewer of them came from Mexico.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/27/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

What support has Trump offered Mexico to help secure their southern border? They make Herculean efforts considering their resources.

You need to stop getting information from Fox and friends filtered through an angry septuagenarian liar with horrid comprehension skills.

You know who else demanded to constantly see your papers, don't you?

If the accounts of his sudden prowess are true then Johnson was probably on some level autistic. Autistic people who have special abilities in areas like math or music are not born demonstrating those abilities. They kick in at some point later in life.

And then there's the whole Satan doesn't exist thing @Mordhaus' wife or my ex notwithstanding.

4)
There is a lot going on here, so I'm going to take it one step at a time (we can get back to the above later), but for now I'm finding this more interesting to talk about:
First of all I’m sorry that you’ve lost a pet, I wouldn’t have used this example if I knew. But I will keep going because we’ve already started down this path.
When you’re talking about a scheduled end to your dog’s life: You didn't plan to end your dog’s life while it was in its prime the day you got it. Your dog became sick or was injured, which was unexpected. Your dog was not born with a "to kill" date stamped on it. That makes it completely unscheduled.
More importantly the reason behind you wanting to end your dog’s life early was to prevent further and unavoidable suffering. You weren't choosing to end your dog’s life in order to make a profit. You were choosing to do it out of compassion.

When it comes to farming animals, both of those things are opposite. As soon as they are born they have a "kill by" date, the reason for their existence is to be killed, and the reasons for killing them are not compassionate reasons. They are purely for profit.

That is what I was trying to explain (and I guess I did a poor job of it). So now I will rephrase the question:
Would it be immoral if I decided to end your dog’s life for the reasons of profit, or for taste, (any hedonistic reasoning really), and not for the reasons of compassion?

Except of course you're not born a drunk, or a thief or an adulterer.

I get your point, and agree to an extent.
Unfortunately, the F35 fails at increasing our abilities in any way, because it doesn't work.
As to the $100 hammer, most if not all of what you talk about is also done by companies NOT working for the Fed. They have systems to track their own spending and production. It does add to costs, but is not the major driving force of costs by any means. It's maybe 5%, not 95% of cost, normally. The $100 hammers and such are in large part a creation of fraud and/or a way to fund off the books items/missions.
The F35 has had exponentially more issues than other projects, due in large part to spreading it's manufacturing around the country so no state will vote against it in congress.
I think you're overboard on all the 'steps' required to change a software value. I also note that most of those steps could be done by 2 people total, one engineer and one paper pusher. It COULD be spread out among 20 people, but there's no reason it must be. If that were the case in every instance, we would be flying bi-planes and shooting bolt action rifles. Other items are making it through the pipeline, so the contention that oversight always stops progress is not born out in reality. If it did, we certainly wouldn't have a drone fleet today that's improving monthly.

Facts...not really...prevailing opinion, granted. However, prevailing opinion has a way of changing in the fullness of time does it not.

At any rate, I am sorry that you do not understand or believe I don't care. My motivation and intent was not and is not born of conviction or promotion.

However, I am gratified and appreciative for the chance to see the reflection of your true and larger nature and that was more than worth the trip. Thank you and be well. You made it a pleasure.

And in the same breath you could say that rampant military conquest created the modern world and drove scientific advances etc, but while the Muslims were pottering around the the Middle East, Spain/England/France etc were plundering the entire world. Lead by militants and the religious. Oh gee...

Your conclusion that the majority of Muslim's is as factually bankrupt as the assertion that "playing video games makes people violent". Millions of people are Muslims, but extremist attacks are relatively minor on the grand scale of things. Your casual causality is not born out by what actually happens in the real world.

Idk. Phelps et al took homophobia to a whole new level. It's easy to rail against such a comic book villain. Disagreeing with Phelps, even on his stance on homosexuality, doesn't necessarily mean you still don't have a mostly negative attitude towards homosexuality. I'm thinking of the "hate the sin, love the sinner" crowd. I think Huckabee and his ilk fit into this sort of "homophobia lite". They dress their bigotry up in platitudes and are likely to find support from some or the same people who might have decried Phelps. One might look towards Russia in the run up to Sochi. There you see the same sort of stance, where they enact policy that strips gays of their rights whilst insisting that its not borne of homophobia and is merely to protect children from paedophiles. I do not doubt their sincerity in this belief - most homophobes don't identify themselves as homophobes.

Ultimately I think these extreme undiluted views create an illusion of overwhelming support for gay rights. Perhaps the publicity raised a debate about homosexuality/phobia, but that debate still had to be fought and won by gay rights activists, not through us all uniting against a sort of shill.

I certainly hope things continue the way they have been. Still, there are parts of the world which seem to be regressing in this regard (see Russia again -.-). I have a feeling that rallying against any minority group is always going to be an effective political tactic, especially if it's done under the guise of protecting children from sexual abuse or preserving "family values".

The other two guys write the lyrics and they usually come out fairly funny:

All Night Strangers

On top of pink palaces grown
Remarkable shapes; handles to hold at night
I dream of your finger touching my scars
you're wearing your rubber reversible velvet gloves
Who are you to be so cruel?
Is it any wonder I get dolled up in your clothes?
When you're out on your own,
Better than being dressed like myself when you're here.

All night strangers that look like you
denying that they know who I am,
I get entangled walking out in the cane
Were we not born to make one of two?
Is it any wonder that I sleep in an armoire in Thailand, alone?
Trying to squeeze the love out of myself,
wrapping the cord one more time around,
All night strangers are told by you to deny that they know who I am
As I'm turning blue I'm turning red from the shame

THESE ARE THE LYRICS:

On top of pink palaces grown
Remarkable shapes; handles to hold at night

I dream of your finger touching my scars
you're wearing your rubber reversible velvet gloves

Who are you to be so cruel?

Is it any wonder I get dolled up in your clothes?
When you're out on your own,
Better than being dress like myself when you're here.

All night strangers that look like you
denying that they know who I am,
I get entangled walking out in the cane

Were we not born to make one of two?

Is it any wonder that I sleep in an armoire in Thailand, alone?
Trying to squeeze the love out of myself,
wrapping the cord one more time around,

All night strangers are told by you to deny that they know who I am
As I'm turning blue I'm turning red from the shame

@shveddy

What happens, typically, is that a person born into a Christian home grows up with their parents religion, and believes in it because they were taught it as truth. They have no foundation for their own faith, and they look at Christianity as a sort of checklist. As in, go to church, follow certain rules, read the bible, etc. If they've got all of those checked off, they're a Christian.

These people typically start to fall away in their teenage years, when they start encountering the skepticism of the world towards Christianity and the bible. Lacking any internal reasoning for their own faith, probably never even having deeply considered it, they are vulnerable into indoctrination into other belief systems, like secular humanism. Particularly secular humanism, since it has the most sophisticated arguments against Christianity.

These were people who had a religion; they were not born again. They never knew Jesus Christ personally. To know Jesus is to be supernaturally transformed and indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Christianity is not a religion, it is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. If you don't know Jesus, you are not a Christian, and never were.

>> ^messenger:
First, you've made the assertion many times here that if we will only just invite Jesus into our lives, he will reveal himself to us, etc. I've told you somewhere here that my own family did just that. We were all faithful Catholics. My parents have been practising for over 70 years. My sisters were Catholic for varying lengths of time from 15-26 years. I was Catholic until I was 14. We all fervently believed, but at no point was anything revealed to any of us. Nobody in my family has ever directly experienced anything like what you claim will happen in 5 minutes.

That isn't really surprising. There are two kinds of Christian out there, those who have a religion and those who have a relationship with Jesus Christ. Catholics primarily fall under this first category of Christian. The Catholic religion, if you've done your research, is essentially Christianity blended together with paganism. There is no pope in the bible, no nuns, no monks, no sacraments, no confession, no mary worship, no bowing to statues, no praying to saints, etc. These is very little resemblence between what catholics practice and the Christian faith. That is why so many catholics do not know Christ. My mother, who attended the catholic church when she was a child, told me she barely ever heard about Jesus while she was there.

A Christian who has a religion is someone who simply has a head knowledge about Jesus. They were most likely brought up in the church, and have inherited their parents religion. They don't know why they believe what they believe, it is just simply what they were indoctrinated with. They believe Christianity is going to church, reading the bible, and praying. These people do not know God and are not born again.

A Christian who has a relationship with Jesus Christ is born again and supernaturally transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit. They have intimate knowledge of God because they have the Holy Spirit living within them and experience the presence of God on a daily basis. These are those who have given their entire lives and personalities over to God, as Lord and not just Savior.

While by a miracle some catholics are actually born again, most are not. You do not know the Lord for the reason that you had a religion and not a relationship. I don't blame you for running away screaming from the catholic religion. I empathize with anyone who escapes that madness. What I pray is that you consider Christ without the burden of that religion, and look at what He actually taught about how to know Him.
>> ^messenger:
Second, most times that you make the assertion that if you look for Jesus wholeheartedly that you'll find him, I remind you that the same can be said for every religion on Earth. If I gave myself to Islam, I would become Muslim and believe. If I gave myself to Judaism, I would become Jewish and believe. You gave yourself to Jesus, so you believe in him, not Mohammed. If your test for your claim of Jesus's divinity is that if we seek him we'll find him, then by that exact same test, we could also prove that Islam and Judaism are also true. Can you give me something other than statistics on the predominance of Christianity in the world to support the claim that Jesus is the true god and the other religions are false?


If you invite Jesus into your life as Lord and Savior, you will receive the Holy Spirit, whom will supernaturally transform your being and give you an undeniable revelation of Gods existence. You will experience true joy, a lasting peace, and have intimate knowledge of the love of God. I am not saying this as some sort of metaphor..that is what will literally happen to you. You will know when you encounter the living God, versus some feel-good experience with false religion.

>> ^Fantomas:

I too believe Neil puts too much emphasis on the 1% figure. It's true that this 1% has given us a reverse pelvis allowing us to walk on two legs, freeing our hands, and given us a relocated voice-box to allow us to vocalise language. But these are just biological tools, it's how we use them that is important. We are not born with a language built in or the ability to use our hands in a skilled way, these things must be taught and learned, which is what pushes us beyond this '1%'.


Actually, there has been an interview done with Chomsky in Discover magazine that would suggest that certain phonetic patterns similar to language are, in fact, inborn. There is evidence that there may be an instinct in humans to communicate through language with certain forms and rules common across all races and places. I thought that was a very interesting interview.

I too believe Neil puts too much emphasis on the 1% figure. It's true that this 1% has given us a reverse pelvis allowing us to walk on two legs, freeing our hands, and given us a relocated voice-box to allow us to vocalise language. But these are just biological tools, it's how we use them that is important. We are not born with a language built in or the ability to use our hands in a skilled way, these things must be taught and learned, which is what pushes us beyond this '1%'.