Thanks!

In reply to this comment by alien_concept:
Lovely, spot on as usual. Fuck you Nick Griffin and the BNP.

*promote

Lovely, spot on as usual. Fuck you Nick Griffin and the BNP.

*promote

>> ^enoch:
i think burgneil is talking about cap-n-trade and if you look into it...well..seems it will be a new market to exploit but not really deal with the issue of climate change.
maybe im wrong but im SOOO against cap-n-trade.
if you ripped me off,stole my money and ruined my business,why would i ever put you in charge of anything again?
the people who brought you Enron and energy trading?sub-prime mortgages?yep..now they bring us Cap-n-trade.
no thanks.


thanks for the clarification. Cap and Trade on coal plants have been in place in NY for a year and a half, and the general consensus from peers in the scientific community is that they aren't effective enough. I have no opinion of the political aspect because rest assured who ever is doing the speaking has his own agenda and it's almost always a devious one.

>> ^BURGNIEL:
awesome. this is the truth people. Do the research. The planet does need help, but not in the way they want to do it... make it so the banks do not get richer off of our survival!


The people who actually DO "do the research" have come to the opposite conclusion. You might want to take your own advice before siding with corporations who have absolutely no intention of using research to prove their point.

>> ^BURGNIEL:
make it so the banks do not get richer off of our survival!


Right. What do banks have to do with climate change?
So what if some people get more worthless digits on a screen?

Does it matter who or what causes climate change?
Global cooling or warming or.. exploding is all very bad for us humans.

The point is:
1. - If we caused those problems to occur, we should solve them.
2. - If we didn't cause those problems to occur ..we should still solve them.
3. - Yay! Everyone's happy cause we don't have to worry about the weather! = ]


plus, what's so awful about the green industries?

Oh no!! cheap electricity, innovations and jobs!

>> ^chilaxe:
"This is our land!"
This movie sounds like it was written by Nick Griffin.


Did you even watch the trailer?

This movie sounds like it was written by any indigenous person from North or South America, Australia, Africa, or parts of Asia.

I am definitely looking forward to a sift talk post on the film when it comes out.

"This is our land!"

This movie sounds like it was written by Nick Griffin.

>> ^gwiz665:
fake!


In the real video, he doesn't come off so friendly.

This was a farce.

They should have renamed this edition of Question Time "The Nick Griffin Character Assassination Hour".

>> ^Pprt:
I watched this not-so-shocking "expose" in the past, and there's surprising here at all.
Those who made innapropriate and outlandish statements were either expelled or dealt with internally. The same would happen with any other BNP member today.

That's hilarious. It's akin to the current government ministers abusing the system of expenses to plump up their salaries and then paying it back, as though that makes it better. As you well know, getting rid of the visible symptoms doesn't hide the illness. It's like throwing away a drug addict's favourite spoon and lighter.

Actually, who am i kidding? It's nowhere near similar, because these people probably still have active roles for the BNP only off the cards. There's ways round everything.

Advocating or perpretrating violence is a noble solution, but these opinions and these individuals are products of their environment.

Oh the naughty child syndrome argument. That's a good one. Right up there with "His heart's in the right place, bless him." Let's forgive everyone everything because they're just a product of their upbringing. I was emotionally abused when i was growing up, i've turned into a law abiding, non-violent, caring person. I know people who were physically, sexually abused growing up, they're also great people now. That excuse works for VERY limited variables.

Imagine that 30 years ago you lived in a nice town where everyone got along nicely and you self safe at night. Today one quarter of the population is Asian, religiously and culturally segregated, heavily unemployed, unfriendly, self-centered and violent. Of course they're mad.
Does anger make violence a noble solution? Never.

Heh, i'll do you one better. THIRTY YEARS AGO nick griffin (the BNP elected MEP) was taking an organisational role in the NF (national front). After having disagreements with the NF (he was too racist), he played a key role in arranging the INF (international third position). Read more about THAT particular racist group here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Third_Position.

So you've exposed your own defence of the BNP as a load of old bollocks without me even having to do it for you. Congratulations.

But regardless of your lying defence of these people, i still respect your right to an opinion. At least now you'll accept that the BNP are racists, are staffed by ex-criminals and ex-neo-nazis. At least now you'll accept that you want a racist government to go along with your racist ideals, and people will have to just accept you as you are. At least now you won't be hiding behind a facade of legitimacy, right?

You can be sure as hell if immigration weren't so mismanaged and had a less gloomy prospect the BNP would not be running on this particularly pressing social issue. Perhaps they'd focus on health care, the elderly, road signage... who knows.

OH MAYBE NOT!!!!!

The British people have a right to demonstrate concerns about the politics of immigration and they have a right to vote for the BNP. If you're averse to that, you're more intolerant that you think they are.

I'm extremely intolerant of intolerancy.

Anyone reading any of these posts, stop around the point where pprt willfully walks into his own debunk, beginning with "these poor guys 30 years ago they had such a peaceful and non-wacist attitude and now these modern politics are just making them angwy!!!!! "

I apologise for the lack of aplomb and delivery which i normally have, i've just woken up and these comments required an immediate reply before anyone gets sucked into his bullshit.

>> ^chilaxe:
"Nick Griffin and everyone who voted for the BNP should be executed."
If they're anti-immigration, and you're pro-genocide, I think you may have lost the moral high ground.


Pffft. gorillaman's response was an obvious hyperbole, in reaction to the fact that someone around here supports a white only Britain. For fuck's sake, I dunno how people can even play DA with this shit

"Nick Griffin and everyone who voted for the BNP should be executed."

If they're anti-immigration, and you're pro-genocide, I think you may have lost the moral high ground.

Well fucking said! Can I buy you a pint?

In reply to this comment by gorillaman:
It's precisely because the voters today are the same mindless bigoted scum of 50 and 100 years ago that democracy is a terrible idea. That's why people who actually know how to think like human beings should be making the decisions.

Nick Griffin and everyone who voted for the BNP should be executed. You don't just get to vote however you like; if your party of choice holds corrupt policies you are guilty of their crimes, potential and realised.

Morality and reason are not subject to time. The correct positions of today were the correct positions of 1000 years ago, will be the correct positions of 1000 years from now.

It is impossible that the BNP will be proven right. Were your multicultural cataclysm to come to pass in all its improbability, the BNP voters would still have been what they are now, which is irrational, rabid animals deserving only to be put down.

The position of an idea within or without the orthodoxy does not determine its value.

It's precisely because the voters today are the same mindless bigoted scum of 50 and 100 years ago that democracy is a terrible idea. That's why people who actually know how to think like human beings should be making the decisions.

Nick Griffin and everyone who voted for the BNP should be executed. You don't just get to vote however you like; if your party of choice holds corrupt policies you are guilty of their crimes, potential and realised.

Morality and reason are not subject to time. The correct positions of today were the correct positions of 1000 years ago, will be the correct positions of 1000 years from now.

It is impossible that the BNP will be proven right. Were your multicultural cataclysm to come to pass in all its improbability, the BNP voters would still have been what they are now, which is irrational, rabid animals deserving only to be put down.

The position of an idea within or without the orthodoxy does not determine its value.

This practice is called "grooming" and is commonplace in the Third World. Especially among Arabs and Indians.

To my knowledge, Nick Griffin of the BNP is the only politician that has outspoken on this issue in the UK. He almost was jailed for it, in fact.

See here: http://tv.bnp.org.uk/2006/11/free-speech-2-pre-trial-interview/