My dad has this attachment to 50s rock and roll and he rightly believes everything in pop music was invented in the 50s and possibly the 60s.

I remember most of these songs (the british ones) coming out and me being fascinated by what could be done differently to what was then the mainstream. However pop quickly devolved through the 80s and I found myself meandering back in time, from late to early Talking Heads, from late to early Genesis and Floyd and Yes and Jethro Tull and Mike Oldfield and Fleetwood Mac, discovering the Beatles and the Beach Boys were actually good at some point, finding out Frank Zappa was a thing and discovering that yes, the guy who made late 20th century pop music up in his garage, with his searches for new sounds and writing his own music and lyrics was indeed one Buddy Holly in the 50s.

Anyway I found myself listening to a rather childish track by Basement Jaxx years later and could not quite put my finger on what made that one track work for me. All these bands that only have one really good track... Anyway what was going on was a Gary Numan sample.

So I went back and listened to some of this old stuff and I was really surpised that some of it still works.

But back in 1980 if you heard Numan, early Midge Ure Ultravox minus the ubiquitous title track of the album, Visage, or a couple of years later the Eurythmics you would hear a sound that was strikingly new and different.

Thinking back Peter Gabriels 3rd solo album (although itself very electronic) took me out of the electronic pop bandcamp and more into alternative rock. That and lucking into a friend who had an older brother who had all the old Genesis records also as sheet music including lyrics. That or David Byrne.

The main point is the music you like is the music you liked when you were 13.

The second part is not quite accurate as some people more than others are able to more easily adapt and pick up the new sounds of other languages. I know a German who can do flawless American and British English accents (attested to by other Americans and Brits). And some people are able to accurately replicate accents they are consistently exposed to (most millennials in Australia can do perfect American accents due to the exposure of American TV here that they have grown up with).

It's not a huge collection. Mainly 12" remixes and a few promotional ones. My treasure is three U2 4pack 7" vinyl. Consisting of early demos from "Boy" to my fav "The Unforgetable Fire". I have only seen one one eBay. A few of the tracks have never been offered on digital or on cd format. You are welcome. Post some more music. They never get many votes. I enjoy sharing music and always crave new sound.

Haha, I knew I'd open a can of worms....
I enjoy music of all types, trust me. I know the history. I grew up in a radio station, and remember when DJs were the rock Stars of the 70s.

I have no boundaries, and in fact, the more music pushes the boundaries the better, but I still have to feel the groove.
Often, "musicians," get caught up in the medium and forget the composition. I know - I'm an artist, I've been there, created works, not for composition, but to better understand my medium. It's still art, but it's not "ART."

See what I'm saying. There is a whole new generation of not just musicians and composers, but listeners. they have their own new sound, but a lot of the soul is getting filtered out while the artists explore the medium. I know it will come full circle, but I believe we are in a stagnant period of exploration.

And no, I'm not commenting on all those classical musicians, in fact, they are doing the opposite. There are many classical musicians that are taking their instruments in new directions - finally - and breaking out of the Bach & Beethoven standards. (Stereotyping here). My favorite is Stravinsky, who pushed every boundary of his day. and Guys like Rossini, who was the Heavy Metal Rocker of his day. But there comes a time, to break out and use the instruments differently.

And that's what they are doing right now. Breaking out and exploring. Which is great, it will define another period in music. But we're not quite there yet. Publishers and studios, are the bottom feeders, trying to keep the industry alive, but they are manufacturing the lowest common denominator, giving the public some of the most contrived music of our day.

It's okay to criticize music as it evolves and still like it.
If we don't criticize it, then it doesn't evolve. And I think the artists themselves would agree because, once you stop and consider your groves perfect, then there is no point creating more.

You can come to the defense of the genre, but not every piece is perfect. Yes there are better musicians out there, and some worse, and some I like, you won't like, and so on, that's what makes it great. I remember laying on the couch listening to Kraftwork's Autobahn for hours and loving it. That was over 25 years ago. And I've listened to so much more in between. I've heard it, I've studied it in school, spun discs and worked DJ booths, and was literally raised in a radio station. I've heard a lot, and have the knowledge to compare notes.

I'll end this, it's going too long - but suffice to say, this piece here, is okay, but has no crescendo, nothing to keep me on the edge. The grove becomes quite trance, while trying not to be. He's done a great mix up, and I see what he's doing here. He's taken video excerpts and contained and arranged them together. Great... he's experimenting. But it's not perfect, and that's okay. He's worked hard to create something, and as he evolves, he'll create better, that's what it's all about

^ Patchy-patch this puppy through some asst.gear and watch a new sound emerge from the realm of the fart-note division of ultra-low Db action!!

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You've just been my hero this week. : Thanks again!
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*quality

I wish this was around when I lived across the street from a major Interstate! =o)


Guess I'll have to consider changing my gender to qualify =oD

You're so welcome =o)

>> ^direpickle:

Yahtzee needs a new sound engineer. Or a new mic. Or something. These are getting harder and harder to understand with the booming bass clipping with every word.
Or maybe I need new speakers.


Or Yahtzee needs a new schtick.

Yahtzee needs a new sound engineer. Or a new mic. Or something. These are getting harder and harder to understand with the booming bass clipping with every word.

Or maybe I need new speakers.

Your video, Fatherhood is confounding the baby with new sounds., has made it into the Top 15 New Videos listing. Congratulations on your achievement. For your contribution you have been awarded 1 Power Point.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Missing: high-altitude surveillance blimps, Predator drones, electrified fencing, razor wire, land mines.
And a new sound-proof asylum for liberals.


Throw the conservatives of equal annoyance in there with em.

Missing: high-altitude surveillance blimps, Predator drones, electrified fencing, razor wire, land mines.

And a new sound-proof asylum for liberals.

>> ^Drax:
Plenty of people enjoy Nine Inch Nails. My love for NIN's in how complex the music is, even his most catchy of tunes. Every listen I can peel off more layers of sound on a good set of headphones and hear new sound elements. I also enjoy the fictional story line of the man split in two that carries over all the albums from The Downward Spiral (the becoming) to With Teeth (only). Trent also seems to have a lot of integrity, but I'm a NIN fan for the music. The fact that Trent's actually a rather decent guy isn't what brings me back every release.
Now considering he has a strong fan base who enjoys his music, how is it he hasn't enriched the music culture to some degree? His work's bled over into other media as well, Tony Scott's The Fan was influenced by The Downward Spiral album. The Machinist and Flight Club where also influenced by NIN (The Machinist especially)
Do you just not enjoy it due to taste? Or is it something else you don't like?


What you've said, "enriched the music culture to some degree," strikes more closely at reality than what was quoted in your original post: "enriched American culture." I could have been more clear in my initial post that my reaction wasn't to the music, but to the idea encapsulated in the last sentence of your post that NIN had made some kind of morally positive contribution to American culture. I don't think they have. I realize that you didn't write that and, from your latest post, you don't go along with it, but whoever did pen those words is taking someone too seriously.

Plenty of people enjoy Nine Inch Nails. My love for NIN's in how complex the music is, even his most catchy of tunes. Every listen I can peel off more layers of sound on a good set of headphones and hear new sound elements. I also enjoy the fictional story line of the man split in two that carries over all the albums from The Downward Spiral (the becoming) to With Teeth (only). Trent also seems to have a lot of integrity, but I'm a NIN fan for the music. The fact that Trent's actually a rather decent guy isn't what brings me back every release.

Now considering he has a strong fan base who enjoys his music, how is it he hasn't enriched the music culture to some degree? His work's bled over into other media as well, Tony Scott's The Fan was influenced by The Downward Spiral album. The Machinist and Flight Club where also influenced by NIN (The Machinist especially)

Do you just not enjoy it due to taste? Or is it something else you don't like?

Dble bass should always have a microphone not a pick up, being its an acoustic instrument and not an electric bass. Keeping in mind that its the 70's, and a new sound, marc can be forgiven. In hindsight, i hope he learnt the lesson, and ditched the pick up. Bill is a legend.

>> ^RhesusMonk:
The average Chinese cannot pronounce many, many of the English morphemes. Anecdotal evidence is useless in the conversation. We're talking about a best-fit line situation including all the members of linguistic groups, most of whom don't have a Babelfish stuck in their ears. It's not broad-minded to think that changing your name or modifying it to make it easier for the target culture to say is stupid, racist, etc. Just because you sometimes care enough to practice and learn doesn't mean that it happens globally enough to make it worthwhile to keep a difficult-to-pronounce name.
And to those with linguistic ability: do you really think that an increased capacity for polyglot-ism is the norm? I think if you truly understood your talents, you would see that you are different.


The ability to learn and pronounce foreign languages runs in my family to an extent, most people in my immediate family have studied a foreign language or two to varying degrees of success, and there has been at least one person per generation to reach a fluent level of pronunciation and near-fluent speaking level of a foreign language for the past several generations. I'm aware that some people simply aren't able to learn new sounds.

That said, I would rather somebody use an adaptation of my name (for example, Raisu in Japanese instead of Rice in English) than assign me an entirely new foreign-language "name" that is not my own. I think that a person's name is very important to them for most people, beyond the strictly utilitarian definition of being a convenient way for them to be referred to.