is it my turn to toss in?
good.
lets take mr walters point by point.
1.he is from the hudson institute-(neo-con think tank)deduct 50 points right there.
2.taxable income questionable?ok,i agree here.there is no actual data as of yet.
3.weed is the number ONE reason for drug treatment.
what?where is the former drug czar getting his numbers?
the number ONE abused and treated addictive drug is legal prescription painkillers.even if we used illegal drugs, pot is fourth.(data from A.M.A)
4.weed is responsible for violence and deaths among dealers.
no..its creating a black market that leads to violence and deaths.
its not like a drug dealer can go to the authorities and bitch about another dealer creeping into his turf.this is just bad logic.you can apply the same sentence and just add:coke dealers,pimps,gambling,fights...
when you create a black market,the only way those who RUN that black market can protect their investment is usually through violence,which may lead to deaths,sometimes innocent.
5.mr walters keeps using the term "drugs".
while not wrong,its not entirely accurate."drugs" is an umbrella term which includes ALL drugs i.e :coke,meth,x,heroin etc.
to conflate these very dissimilar narcotics is dishonest and misleading.
6.again mr walters conflates "drugs" with violent behavior.
"many of the arrests found weed on the person"
and?using circular logic to make a point is still circular logic.
so if i got arrested with a playboy in my possesion that would mean im a sexual deviant?thats just weak.
6.marijuana dependency?
first off,doesnt exist.at least not in the way mr walters is portraying it.
THC is fat soluble,which means it takes at LEAST 3 weeks for HALF the THC to leave your body.you have to smoke a tremendous amount,consistently for a very long time to feel any adverse affects if you stop smoking.even then the effects are mild.
7.0.3% is the population percentage in jail for possesion of weed..
thats an outright lie.
that figure is way higher,some as low as 20% and as high as 65%(couldnt get a solid number)but considering that private jails are now the number 9th largest lobby,and are the biggest funders of keeping weed illegal.
well..you tell me what that looks like.
8.more conflation about number of people who use "drugs".
the fact is,a certain amount of the population will use drugs.
its predictable and steady.this number coincides with weed smokers.
i believe the number is 23%,but im not sure and forgot the studies name.
but its around there.

one final note.
some have mentioned it here already,and i totally agree.
if you do something in your own home,harm noone,not even yourself.
how can it be deemed illegal?
even the constitution backs up the dissilution of this ill-thought,inane,archaic and totally useless law.
the man who demonized weed was a man named henry anslinger.
who used the "demon weed" for political purposes,and he did a damn fine job of it.
that was in the late 30's and early 40's.
time to huck this piece of irrelevant legislation out the door.
thank you..and good night.

I just realized that I don't do any of these stimulants and/or narcotics, and that includes coffee.

No wonder I find life so boring...

Damn, this is fun:

An officer, who was a Central American COS and later Deputy Chief of LA Division in the late 1980s, says that Honduras was not an attractive location for drug traffickers during this time period.... He says that, if CIA or other U.S. Government organizations operating in Honduras had acquired information indicating that the Contras were engaged in narcotics trafficking, it would have--or should have--been disseminated in intelligence reports. He makes clear that CIA was not alone in its intelligence collection and reporting efforts in Honduras and that large amounts of intelligence were collected by other U.S. Government agencies. Reports of Contra drug trafficking, he says, would probably have been a topic of discussion at the Interagency Working Group that was run by DoS official Elliott Abrams.

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Well, then... if Abrams said it was all kosher then hey! We can trust him.

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/cocaine/contra-story/findings.html

Oooh wait a minute:
"...Abrams entered into a plea agreement that ultimately led to a conviction without imprisonment on two misdemeanors of withholding information from Congress."

Hmm.. well, now I just dunno what to think... perhaps he is only a liar on certain things. I guess we can just not worry about it. I don't.

Here's a funny conversation I imagined:

Oh hey I heard Saddam is going to launch an attack with WMD's... lets go build up our troops prior to invasion within the range of the SCUDS we KNOW he has that could be fitted with these WMD's.... Why just use airstrikes which prevent potential massive US troop casualties.. ....oh, he doesnt actually have WMDS? haha good one! you had me worried. now it makes sense. good on ya's lad. now lets get a drink and count our no bid contracts!

PS: Criminal behavior is bad.

>> ^AnimalsForCrackers:
>> ^Shepppard:
Shrooms aren't theraputic.
years ago my sister had a party here, and two of her friends took shrooms.
I still remember them freaking out so hard one of them actually wanted to go see my mom to make it better, but the other slapped her in the face and said that "We've gone too far now!"

It is true that mileage varies from person to person. Not to mention other mitigating factors like who you take them with, the environment taken in, your state of mind when ingesting, etc. Much care should be exercised in planning and preparation, before eating mushrooms all willy-nilly like.
For me, it was one of the best and most memorable experiences I've ever had with other human beings.


I agree completely. And it's not like the medical industry is just going to start giving prescriptions to mushrooms. If anything they'll make yet another pill form containing the specific chemicals, likely significantly 'watered down.' The drug industry is full of narcotic and hallucinogenic 'medicines.'

I personally have had my share of very positive experiences with a wide variety of hallucinogenic drugs both natural and man-made and I've found the 'magic mushrooms' are by far the least likely to produce a so called 'bad trip.' Especially compared to the likes of LSD. The experience mushrooms and other natural hallucinogenics such as Peyote, are a much milder, smoother and less grating effect, though often far more potent.

>> ^BillOreilly:
weed is for weak-minded fools, liberals in particular
I would never count someone a friend who had the immaturity to smoke a mind-altering drug


Yeah! Wasn't it Rush Limbaugh who advocated life sentences for pot users, while pounding down handfuls of illegally procured pharmaceutical narcotics!

I don't suppose you have any friends that smoke or drink either since both tobacco and alcohol are mind-altering drugs. You should probably avoid chocolate, and caffeinated beverages as well.


>> ^MaxWilder:
That part about "marijuana" vs "cannabis" pretty much sums up the whole debate. By the way, I've heard hemp is different from marijuana. Is that just BS? Same plant, right?


They're the same family of plant, but they're not the same plants. Kinda like how the different varieties of roses are all the similar plants but they're not the same. If you tried to smoke industrial hemp you wouldn't get high, and would probably get sick. Industrial hemp is only good for producing fibers and seeds. And IIRC it is also an excellent CO2 processor.

Interesting tidbit, hops the plant that flavors beer is a member of the cannabis family. Remember that next time some beer swilling shit head starts bitching about pot smokers.

That's like some sort of Pot Droid from Star Wars.

It would be called PT-420, would appear in one scene for about 2 seconds in one of the feature films. A comic book would feature it a few more times and it's cult following would truely start. Soon after a paper-back would be written with it as a main character as it hurled it's way fully into the expanded universe. The plot would involve an assasination attempt on yoda by the PT-420, thwarted by yoda's natural ability to consume as much narcotics as exists in the known (Star Wars) universe. "Stoned I am, always. Why talk like this, you think?", they would then befriend each other and take on imperial scum for the grand finale.

...oh my god, did I just make all this up just now? haha.. *puts down device*

what the gorgeous women didn't tell you is the website you create sells illegal narcotics, and child slaves.

... but still, three clicks and you're making money!

The are chewing beetlenut if I'm not mistaken, a mild narcotic which might help to alleviate the pain.

Still nuts though = \

I consistently find better sleep through abuse of narcotics.

>> ^CaptainPlanet420:
But it's not a narcotic, huh. So ya, I'm sure drinking some caffeine could also make me turn right from the center lane. Wait, no. And it never leads to harder drugs either, so all the crack in his car must have just jumped in there. So you can cry the burglars roam free while this happened, but next time when Bob Marley kills a family of four with his driving incompetence, we'll see who is the greater evil.


First of all, sober people do stupid shit while driving. You have zero evidence that his fuckup was because he was stoned. He may very well be %100 careless stoned or not. Don't assume.

Second, "burglars" don't commit crimes only after smoking crack. I'm sure there's just as many straight-edge criminals as there are crack/cocaine abusing CEO's.

The only way for crime&drugs to be relative is when you shove illegality in there. The prohibition created a whole slew of new crimes which was erased when it was repealed. Repeal other drug laws, sell pot at stores, and guys like this are out of work.

If all your naive arguments are predicated on the fact the "marijuana doesn't impair your ability to drive," then you must try harder. I told you politicians-in-diapers about your shortsightedness weeks ago.

To the youngling who asked why he was pulled over - he made a right hand turn from the center lane. Sounds safe to me, right? I mean, I generally have multi-lane lapses in judgment when making turns.

But it's not a narcotic, huh. So ya, I'm sure drinking some caffeine could also make me turn right from the center lane. Wait, no. And it never leads to harder drugs either, so all the crack in his car must have just jumped in there. So you can cry the burglars roam free while this happened, but next time when Bob Marley kills a family of four with his driving incompetence, we'll see who is the greater evil.

That's everything and more of what I was trying to say with that video.

Great post.

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>> ^quantumushroom:
I can appreciate a prank, but these morons want to be "political".


you don't appreciate politics?



In that case:
If you don't like fast food, you're free to not buy it or eat it.


and if you don't like the advertising are you free not to open your eyes when they pollute every corner of every street and build enormous inflatable signs?



You're also free to preach the virtues and benefits of living a healthier lifestyle.


and if your marketing budget isn't quite as big as McDonald's?


If you're a person so weak-minded that you must be told how to live by government or loser vandals like these to save you from yourself, you're not worth saving.


But giving everyone hospital treatment because they ate the wrong food is WAY efficient, right?

And is it "Strong Minded" to eat McDonalds after being exposed to a million M logos?

fat, sugar and salt are practically narcotics when combined with advertising... and you see nothing wrong with that... and you'd happily have a mcdonalds advert on every paving stone in your street because hey, that's the american way?

Outdoor advertising is pollution and it is bad for your health. I notice the effect immediately when I return to the UK from Lithuania. How the fuck can you relax when every surface around you is covered with a desperate message imploring you to buy something?


So. Fuck outdoor advertising. It is totally unecessary. Everyone knows what McDonalds is. The only reason they need to advertise is to brainwash you into thinking you are getting that big fat tasty burger from the photo, and then they can give you the lump of shit and you STILL smile.

i just saw this movie via intewarb piratebutting. Saw the first 10 minutes of it and puked my brains out.

Movie needs heavy consumption of alcohol and/or any other types of narcotics in order to enjoy it thoroughly.

HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!!

>> ^quantumushroom:
I can appreciate a prank, but these morons want to be "political".


you don't appreciate politics?



In that case:
If you don't like fast food, you're free to not buy it or eat it.


and if you don't like the advertising are you free not to open your eyes when they pollute every corner of every street and build enormous inflatable signs?



You're also free to preach the virtues and benefits of living a healthier lifestyle.


and if your marketing budget isn't quite as big as McDonald's?


If you're a person so weak-minded that you must be told how to live by government or loser vandals like these to save you from yourself, you're not worth saving.


But giving everyone hospital treatment because they ate the wrong food is WAY efficient, right?

And is it "Strong Minded" to eat McDonalds after being exposed to a million M logos?

fat, sugar and salt are practically narcotics when combined with advertising... and you see nothing wrong with that... and you'd happily have a mcdonalds advert on every paving stone in your street because hey, that's the american way?

Outdoor advertising is pollution and it is bad for your health. I notice the effect immediately when I return to the UK from Lithuania. How the fuck can you relax when every surface around you is covered with a desperate message imploring you to buy something?


So. Fuck outdoor advertising. It is totally unecessary. Everyone knows what McDonalds is. The only reason they need to advertise is to brainwash you into thinking you are getting that big fat tasty burger from the photo, and then they can give you the lump of shit and you STILL smile.

actually, Mg, the most people this would help would be everyone because if it were legal the gov could collect taxes on it and benefit from its many many uses instead of spending billions of dollars fighting its use. Look it up. Even George Washington (yes, our first president) was a grower/user. He writes about it in his diaries. I know, it's old news to some, but everyone should know it:
http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/7_presidents.html
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_history2.shtml
http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html
http://www.videosift.com/video/Super-High-Me-Full-Doc
http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Color-Green
http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Plant-that-Could-Save-the-World-audio
http://www.videosift.com/video/TimeShift-The-Cannabis-Years
http://www.videosift.com/video/Former-Narcotics-Officers-NORML-Speech