I enjoyed what you had to say about violence being the narcotic of the mentally stunted. Very very true. I live in a semi-dodgy area, not particularly awful but theres enough stunted people around that having to deal with that all the time, gets tiresome, so its nice to see fellow humans not down with the whole inflicting suffering thing

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like my poppa used to always say 'don't let your alligator mouth try to write checks your hummingbird ass can't cash".
while the dude was just being stupid and runnin at the mouth it was the girls with the camera that were instigating that dumb ass.first they feign horror at the dude getting pummeled and then basically laughed at him.
why is it there is always some stupid girl crying "kick his ass" and then when it goes south for their supposed "champion" they get indignant?
it is just idiocy.
now the dude is bleeding over everything and trying to regain some semblance of dignity by continuing to talk trash and the girls just laugh at him.
violence is the narcotic of the mentally stunted.

like my poppa used to always say 'don't let your alligator mouth try to write checks your hummingbird ass can't cash".
while the dude was just being stupid and runnin at the mouth it was the girls with the camera that were instigating that dumb ass.first they feign horror at the dude getting pummeled and then basically laughed at him.
why is it there is always some stupid girl crying "kick his ass" and then when it goes south for their supposed "champion" they get indignant?
it is just idiocy.
now the dude is bleeding over everything and trying to regain some semblance of dignity by continuing to talk trash and the girls just laugh at him.
violence is the narcotic of the mentally stunted.

Well, a dilemma usually involves a difficult choice between two bad outcomes (e.g. stuck between a rock and a hard place). I'd probably call this...hmmm...I can't think of a single word, or even a short descriptive phrase. I guess I'd just settle for calling it the reason it'll be hard to change.

Hell, I can't even find a decent suggestion online. We need a reverse dictionary; given a definition, what's a good word. Maybe we could submit it to Jeopardy, as a round-about way to get an answer? LOL

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I don't see a dilemma here. What you describe is the reason it will be hard or impossible to change this abomination of a system (as long as we have legal bribery for those running this country), but it's not a dilemma.

>> ^enoch:
if we legalize weed and change it from a type A narcotic to a mush lesser class we would effectively diminish the prison population on a massive scale.this means lost revenue for corporate run prisons and means major unemployment which could devastate entire communities.
this is the dilemma and to me it is a moral one but there is no easy answer.


is that not the very definition of dilemma?
would there be a better word used to describe the situation?
in either case i agree with your sentiment.

In reply to this comment by Stormsinger:
I don't see a dilemma here. What you describe is the reason it will be hard or impossible to change this abomination of a system (as long as we have legal bribery for those running this country), but it's not a dilemma.

>> ^enoch:
if we legalize weed and change it from a type A narcotic to a mush lesser class we would effectively diminish the prison population on a massive scale.this means lost revenue for corporate run prisons and means major unemployment which could devastate entire communities.
this is the dilemma and to me it is a moral one but there is no easy answer.


is that not the very definition of dilemma?
would there be a better word used to describe the situation?
in either case i agree with your sentiment.

I don't see a dilemma here. What you describe is the reason it will be hard or impossible to change this abomination of a system (as long as we have legal bribery for those running this country), but it's not a dilemma.

>> ^enoch:
if we legalize weed and change it from a type A narcotic to a mush lesser class we would effectively diminish the prison population on a massive scale.this means lost revenue for corporate run prisons and means major unemployment which could devastate entire communities.
this is the dilemma and to me it is a moral one but there is no easy answer.

>> ^dannym3141:
>> ^ipfreely:
Well, instead of feeling sorry for these prisoners. Lets find out about these "Forced Labor Camp"
Has anyone actually spoken to these prisoners and gotten their views about this? No? Then lets not sit here and feeling sorry for them.
Forced labor? more like "Here are some job skills you can learn, maybe kill 8 hours of your life that you are going to lose anyway. Make the best of it instead of being forced to sit in your jail cell or walking around in a yard."
Or maybe "Hey, want to help America? Produce some much needed equipment for American soldiers. Make yourself feel good about yourself."
I'm pretty sure they are treated much better than some third world sweatshop child laborer.
Lets not lose any sympathy for the prisoners. Save them for the kids who have really no choice in real world.

I wonder why this comment recieved 3 downvotes. Honestly think whilst you read my post, don't simply react and go "SLAVERY BAAAAAD".
We are, after all, talking about people who we take out of society and lock in a cage. If we lock a human in a cage and deny them their freedom if not their life, why are we suddenly so indignant when we are getting work out of them? Is the work bit so bad compared to the cage bit?
Imprisoning someone, locking them in a cage, taking away their life and freedom - YAYYY, GOOD!
Forcing someone to work in reasonable conditions with shitty pay - NOOOO, TERRIBLE!
Just food for thought, guys. Obviously we need prisons to stop people hurting others, but after i stopped for a minute and thought about it, it just made me wonder:
a) why we all feel so indignant about the 'slavery' over the 'bondage'
b) why we lock people up for carrying or using drugs - surely we should lock them up IF we catch them in the act of stealing/harming others to feed their drug habit or tossing away dangerous needles/chemicals unsafely, but other than this, why do we need to lock these people in a cage? They only hurt themselves.
...well, ok they may 'hurt' their relatives too, but so do smokers, drinkers, gamblers and over-eaters.


your argument would be pertinent and concise if we didnt consider a few facts:
1.the prison system is no longer about rehabilitation or punishment but much more to do with corporate business and politics.
2.labor camps would not be an issue if A.the labor was voluntary B.defense contractors and corporations didnt profit from this labor and C.they were actually being taught skills which could translate to a job with livable wages (there are a few prisons which offer this but they are a minority and have limited openings and availability).

one more point i would like to make concerning your argument.
you create a false premise by making it out to seem that others only have a problem with the forced labor issue but not with the actual incarceration.
this is patently false.nobody is saying that violent criminals,thieves or drug dealers should not be punished and removed from society.what we ARE saying is that non-violent offenders,petty thieves and pot smokers should not be spending years in a penitentiary and then,as an example, being forced to labor for the profit of a giant defense contractor,who reaps huge profits.

let me conclude with a few things to think about:
we find ourselves in a dilemma.on the one hand america is incarcerating more people than the rest of the world combined and the majority for non-violent offenses.
on the other hand we have created a HUGE prison industry which employs millions of people to keep it running.sometimes whole townships entire economy is based on a single federal prison.
so what do we do?
if we legalize weed and change it from a type A narcotic to a mush lesser class we would effectively diminish the prison population on a massive scale.this means lost revenue for corporate run prisons and means major unemployment which could devastate entire communities.
this is the dilemma and to me it is a moral one but there is no easy answer.

It's not entirely clear from the video, but was it the case that they were flying in that area without a flight plan or proper clearance? I mean, obviously this is a horrible outcome for such a mistake and that fighter pilot sounded like he was just itching to kill something... but the above is true, doesn't the family have to assume some portion of the responsibility here? Shouldn't they have known that it was a no-fly area, strictly (and lethally) enforced?

All that said, clearly this is an utter waste of life and what a disgrace this 'war on drugs' has become. There's got to be a better way to defeat the incredibly profitable incentives that drug cartels have to traffick narcotics.

I am ashamed that the most honest, logical, and beneficent answer would be the one that all of the PIG cons in this country would pounce upon and drum-beat for weeks to come.

Legalize prostitution?

Nooooo, let's let organized crime push the girls around instead.

Legalize marijuana?

Nooooo, let the most violent narcotics gangs in Mexico control 40% of the market.

America is a joke. It's a sad joke.

I keep hoping it will fix itself somehow, but I don't see why.

You touch on another issue that's cropped up in my practice on multiple occasions: back injury.

I cannot count the number of patients whose downward spiral could be traced to a back injury. It's easy to dismiss it as an excuse, but I've seen it often enough to recognize that it's like being shot: sometimes it's luck on how bad it is, some people manage to overcome, and some people don't, but it's a very, very traumatic event where the cards are stacked against recovery.
The following anecdote highlights that issue and another as-yet-undiscussed: there are people who genuinely need pain medication, and there are addicts. It gets particularly thorny where those groups overlap.

As an example, one patient (we'll call him X) related how a morbidly obese man crashed his car into X's front yard. X was attempting to assist the man (who X did not realize was already dead) and threw his back out. He suffered over the next decade through multiple surgeries with the placement, removal, and replacement of pins and rods. (He showed me a plastic sack of parts from a previous surgery.)
In a case like this, several factors conspire against a person:
-Even with insurance, it's expensive. Every penny not spent on absolute essentials goes to medical costs.
-Chronic pain. Many of these people suffer from pain constantly and are perpetually medicated with increasing dosages of narcotic pain medications as their resistance builds. They become dependent.
-Inability to work, both due to the injury and inability to concentrate under constant medication, which in turn compounds the first problem

With the combination of unemployment, constant pain, and continuous medication (and possible dependence/addiction), often these people lose the will to properly care for themselves. As a dentist, I see this in people who gave up caring for their teeth, and then could not afford to fix them as they "rotted out". These rotten teeth become yet another source of infection and pain, and another reason they can't secure a job. X came to me to get the rest of his teeth taken out in preparation for dentures (yet another significant but necessary expense).
He neglected to inform me that he was being treated for chronic pain (and narcotic dependence) at a pain management clinic, but that's another issue.
The problem is that X was having all his teeth out, so post-operative pain is almost a certainty, but not only would you hesitate to give a recovered addict a narcotic Rx, but their tolerance to pain medication is so high that they actually need more than the average person to achieve relief. It's a Catch-22.

This isn't to say back injuries are absolutely life-ending, or to completely discount some degree of personal responsibility, but the recurring pattern of economic hardship, chronic pain, and drug dependence following these types of injuries is impossible to ignore.

very awesome of you revted,
and thanks for making some clarifications and also adding a personal touch concerning your practice.
my family is in the medical field and they have stated similar dilemma's as you have here.on one side you have responsible doctors such as yourself and on the other you have inscrutable practitioners who are just there for the quick cash.
instead of going through a whole diatribe on addiction let me just state a quick anecdote.
a former student of mine,bright and quick-witted,a stellar student heading to graduate school.in one year she was in two car wrecks and damaged her back something awful.she was over-prescribed pain meds and within a few months this brilliant young woman went from a casual pot smoker to a pill head.here is the tragic part:she never realized until too late.she was taking her meds as prescribed but when the insurance ran out she found herself host to a myriad of problems that she could not understand i.e:fever,nausea,cold sweats,horrific nightmares,insomnia and her back was worse than ever.not understanding withdrawal symptoms from pain meds she bought off the street some painkillers and LO and BEHOLD..she felt better.

sadly it was i who informed her that she may be an addict and in her rage and disgust at me for even suggesting such tripe has discontinued our friendship,leaving me impotent to offer any assistance at all.now my dear friend,with her infant daughter,has a full time job of aquiring pills everyday just so that she can feel normal.graduate school....a memory.car....sold.boyfriend...left.
i worry about her very,very much and pray for every day but until she is ready to face what she has to there is naught i can do.
what many people do not realize is that coming clean from narcotics is one the most incredibly hard things to do.it is a body addiction and if you try to stop cold turkey your body makes you pay..in spades.

i cannot relay just how personal this is to me.i have a young woman in my home right now who i am helping detox because the local drug rehabilitation center will not accept her(her fault)and she has no money,lost her kids,her business and ..well..everything.my success with her is not written in stone,but i have had success in these cases.

on a side note.
i give you incredible credit reverendted.the fact the you are aware of the dangers and hence your responsibility speaks volumes to your character.the only consolation i can offer concerning those that abuse the system due to their addiction is that you have no control over that.your patients are lucky to have such a doctor as you.
i salute you my friend.

enoch - the "cet" in Roxicet refers to acetaminophen, it's a combination drug of oxycodone and acetaminophen, generally in a 5/325 or 5/500 formulation. Although naming conventions are far from standard, "cet" usually indicates acetaminophen (as in Percocet, Darvocet, and Ultracet), while "dan" refers to aspirin (as in Percodan and Endodan). I've seen both parts of ibuprofen used in naming (Ibudone, Vicoprofen).

The pill bottle shown in the video (and the drug you're referring to) is Roxicodone, a brand name oxycodone without the non-narcotic partner, in a 5, 15 or 30mg dose.

With all that out of the way, this is a problem that's very personal to me as well - from a different perspective. I'm a dentist, so narcotic pain medications are an essential tool in treating my patients, but my responsibility to avoid feeding or cultivating a narcotic addiction is never far from my mind.
It's an expected part of the job, but it's always incredibly frustrating when you discover a patient has lied or withheld information from you to score narcotics. I've had pharmacies call me to tell me that the patient I'd just given an Rx for 24 Norco 5's had received an Rx for 120 Vicodin a week prior from a pain management clinic, or worse, that they'd recently filled an Rx for a month of Suboxone, a methadone alternative (and a neat one at that, if you're into that sort of thing). In other cases, I'll find out that a patient filled the prescription for pain medication, but not the antibiotic that will actually address the root cause of the problem and provide more definitive relief.
As a result, I tend to be somewhat reserved when prescribing narcotics, leaning heavily on OTC ibuprofen (alone or in combination with acetaminophen).
At the same time, I have an obligation to minimize my patient's pain, so it's a difficult balance when someone's undergone treatment that I know poses a significant likelihood of post-operative pain, or when a patient cannot receive treatment immediately for a likely painful condition. I don't want to be responsible for one of my patients developing an addiction to narcotic pain medications (or muscle relaxants) but at the same time I don't want my patients to suffer through pain that could possibly be relieved.

I appreciate that there's also a delicate balance between patient privacy and provider privilege, but I can't dismiss the benefits of some recent programs that track narcotic prescriptions at the state level, and some insurance providers will send letters to practitioners advising them of potential drug interactions or overdose\abuse risks based on Rx's filed.

One of the biggest problems with all this is that it doesn't just hurt those who are addicted. Because doctors might be hesitant to prescribe narcotics due to the risk of abuse, other people are going to suffer through pain that could have been relieved.

>> ^TheSofaKing:
Should have let this scrote swallow the drugs and die of an O.D. What an asshole this cop is for trying to A) stop him from swallowing the narcotics and thus putting his life at risk, and B) trying to subdue a criminal resisting a lawful arrest, so that oh I don't know.. he could get him medical attention for the unknown quantity of narcotics he just ingested?
What's next? You gonna blame the cop for all the hoagies and pork chops this guy ate that caused the "severe coronary artery disease" he had? This shitbag has nobody to blame but himself for the way his life ended.


This comes back to the age old "Nanny-State" debate. If the guy wants to swallow drugs and kill himself so be it. Why should anyone interfere with that?

I agree the cop should TRY to stop it, but if after 30 seconds the guy is still refusing not to swallow then just let him do it otherwise you risk hurting him just as much if not more so than whatever drugs.

The police take a dangerous route here assuming that this guy didn't have the drugs in a balloon or some sort of baggie that would allow them to pass through his system safely.

Also they broke bone in his neck doing this, that is just ridiculous.

^ This was fact

This is opinion: This more or less boils down to them wanting the ability to have evidence to prosecute against him, not saving this guys life.

Should have let this scrote swallow the drugs and die of an O.D. What an asshole this cop is for trying to A) stop him from swallowing the narcotics and thus putting his life at risk, and B) trying to subdue a criminal resisting a lawful arrest, so that oh I don't know.. he could get him medical attention for the unknown quantity of narcotics he just ingested?

What's next? You gonna blame the cop for all the hoagies and pork chops this guy ate that caused the "severe coronary artery disease" he had? This shitbag has nobody to blame but himself for the way his life ended.

Yea, you can't legalize drugs in the USA. If you do that, you might have ad's on TV advertising drugs people dont even know about or need. That would be dangerous.

"drugs" ... "drugs".... he means... Cocaine and Heroin and their derivatives, and highly scheduled narcotics and other pharmaceuticals. Notice he doesnt say we stop making pain pills. Where the fuck does ecstacy even come from now a days? I have nooo clue. Can you just make it??

I also thought he was going to mention "decriminalization" is not the same as "legalization".

My drugs are from the USA, guaranteed. LOL, if i can't get pot.. guess what? I do without and it's ok. I go outside and exercise. But i like to exercise while stoned, or get stoned after to relax my muscles and aches.

The internet makes kids choose pharmaceuticals instead of pot because they stay inside... well...why the fuck does mommy have so much vicodin and xanax in the first place?? Maybe solve this "little" problem with making and overprescribing shit people abuse?

Omg totally useless info. I thought i was watching Fox News for a sec too, from the Tucker haircut and the stupid newswoman.

How about we take the cops off of narcotics and onto criminals like this guy? That's real money he's stealing! From people who really need it! We need to get our law enforcement priorities straight!!!