... viewing the tragedy all over again.
This ads the missing human footage that's been missing from that video for all these years.

That woman went from Elation, to Bravado to Confusion, to Hope, to Realization, Shock, and then on to Mourning all in the space of a few minutes. An experience I'll bet she remembered for the rest of her life.

Let's see...

A bunch of students were invited to a seminar that described as being about "bullying". They are instead exposed to anti-religious bigotry and sexual innuendo. Rather than sit and listen to insults directed at their belief system, they decided to leave. As they leave, the speaker taunts them further and uses profanities. Oh - yeah - that's not bullying. :eyeroll: This guy is a class-A hypocrite and a jack@$$.

Let's change the parameters slightly. A bunch of journalism students are invited to a speech about Community Service, and the speaker is an Iraq War veteran who starts calling the Koran a bunch of bullcrap, and talking about how much he likes to dress up his lover in a burqa (wink wink). 100 or so Muslim students are offended and get up to leave, and the guy calls the audience's attention to them and starts calling them a bunch of pansy-@$$ cowards. Ha ha ha. Still "not bullying"?

I feel sorry for the kids, but frankly I hope this slimeball keeps doing stuff like this. It proves to everyone (except for the radical, leftist fringe lunatic crowd) just what a sleaze he is. He's a bigot just as bad as the bigots he claims to condemn. He isn't against bigotry and hate. He's just against any bigotry and hate of which he hasn't personally approved. That makes him a demagogue, and his audience is simply other bigots... Bigots like this...

"Can we just hurry up and make it a high crime to be religious already?"

Classic anti-religious hate and bigotry on parade. Savage of course is constantly going around fomenting such sad, unfortunate, hate-filled suckers. Amazing that these same zealots can mourn the difficulty of achieving a 'peaceful society', and yet fail to see that the primary reason for all this violence is staring at them every time they look in the mirror.

English indie chamber pop band, based in Brighton. There are a few other vids on the sift.

The info for their Le Cargo session gives their myspace page, http://www.myspace.com/themiserablerich which links to their web site and has a bit of a blurb about the band.
>> ^taranimator:

cool find!! you know anything about these guys?

>> ^mxxcon:

>> ^deathcow:
How long is it proper to mourn the great leader, how many times should I thrash my hands against the escalator in grief?
Until cameras and gov't observers go away?


I hope so. A part of me fears that these poor bastards aren't faking it.

Bear in mind that this is 0.0001% of the North Korean population, I'm sure most aren't like this.

>> ^deathcow:

How long is it proper to mourn the great leader, how many times should I thrash my hands against the escalator in grief?
Until cameras and gov't observers go away?

How long is it proper to mourn the great leader, how many times should I thrash my hands against the escalator in grief?

*promote for kicks and Canucks

>> ^garmachi:

I don't get why this is in Wilhelm?


I'm assuming the Wilhelm is a tribute to the mournful cry almost sounding like the scream.

Yeah, BarBaby -- diamond is next. Adrian and I still mourn the luscious depths of ruby..... Enjoy while you have it!

And congrats, of course!


>> ^AdrianBlack:

Ruby is my favorite, and it looks mighty good on you.
Great work!

The balsa wood plank community mourns today.

superior? bah!

whether the impetus for survival be cooperative or competitive, native cultures around the world and throughout history have been made extinct through attrition, disease and assimilation

to me, the question of why must be added to the what, who and how

h. sapiens of that time also knew how to live in harmony with nature... you see, the population of the entire earth, until the advent of agriculture, didn't break 1 million souls

if you don't like the implied speciesism, we can fast-forward a couple of decamillenium and look at what happened to europe's 'white indians' - do we mourn aspects of lost cultures and societies like those of the belgics, franks, jutes, picts, celts, angles, saxons, frisians, etc?

what happened to them? who did it? why did it happen?

did native american tribes engage in the same sort of behavior? yes, of course they did - they knew war, they knew rape, they knew genocide -- we can play a game if you like: name a common era tribal culture, and i'll do my best to discover which less successful tribes they dominated to extinction or complete assimilation

Nice selective quoting.

"The classical (Roman) writers affirm that they offered on great occasions human sacrifices; as for success in war or for relief from dangerous diseases. Cæsar has given a detailed account of the manner in which this was done. "They have images of immense size, the limbs of which are framed with twisted twigs and filled with living persons. These being set on fire, those within are encompassed by the flames." Many attempts have been made by Celtic writers to shake the testimony of the Roman historians to this fact, but without success."

We have no reason to doubt the testimony of their contemporaries. And if you want more evidence, how about national geographic:

Druids Committed Human Sacrifice, Cannibalism?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/090320-druids-sacrifice-cannibalism.html

It's actually far worse than I thought. Far from a quaint little holiday where people mourned the dead, it was sick pagan bloodbath.

What's clear is that you're more interested in a convenient truth;; you said it yourself, you skim over the evidence in apathy, and just want to believe what you want. Doesn't change the facts though; Halloween celebrates an evil day where a bunch of savages worshipped demons, sacrificed human beings and apparently ate their flesh. I'm sorry, but there is nothing there for Christians to celebrate. Pat Robertson is 100 percent correct.

>> ^pho3n1x:
Show me where, in your first link, it mentions human sacrifice...
Instead, don't. I'll quote it for you:
That the Druids offered sacrifices to their deity there can be no doubt. But there is some uncertainty as to what they offered, and of the ceremonies connected with their religious services we know almost nothing.
Also, quoting the other article you mentioned regarding bonfires:
It comes from the contraction of bone fire, where the Celts used to burn animal bones to ward off evil spirits.
Try harder.
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Catholic Mass, to my knowledge, is not based on pagan sacrifice at all, but rather using bread and wine as a "bloodless" sacrifice honoring the crucifixion of Christ. Granted, I only skimmed the articles because I'm not really that interested in the whole ordeal, but it seems to me like you don't like to read anything other than the pamphlets your church of choice provides about each secular holiday anyway, so I'm probably just wasting my time.
You can believe what you want to believe, let me believe what I want to believe.
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Religion is like a penis.
It's awesome that you have one.
It's awesome that you're proud of it.
But please stop whipping it out and waving it around in public.
It's not any better or more important than mine.
>> ^shinyblurry:
Druids worshipped baal, engaged in human sacrifice:
http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_text_bulfinch_chxlia.htm\

This was not a wholesome little get together, and it did involve blood sacrifice. The root of bonfire is "bonefire" http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_origin_of_the_word_bonfire
No, not all spirits are demons; God is a spirit, and angels are spirits. Yet, many people have this idea of a dichotomy between "good" spirits and evil spirits, but in reality they're almost all evil spirits. Any spirit not sent by God is a demon. Spirits impersonating the dead are demons, spirits which claim to be other gods are demons, the spirits people channel are demons, etc. The astral realm is owned by Satan and populated by demons pretending to be every kind of fantasy someone could imagine, and many people wouldn't. There is no Goddess, there are no ghosts, there aren't any of these psychic manifestations. It all stems from Satan. Satan is a being, not a concept, as real as you and me, and he is the deceiver of this entire world.
I agree, Catholic mass is sacrifice, because it is pagan ritual the church took on as its own. It has nothing to do with God, but it does represent the union of the sun and moon, as per babylonian mystery religions.
By and large, people who practice sorcery, divination, channeling, "psychic" abilities, and the like are all doing Satans will. They all come out in droves to celebrate this evil day, to worship other gods and practice their witchcraft; basically to do all the things which God commanded us not to do. The only involvement Christians should have on this is to pray for those who are deceived.
>> ^pho3n1x:
I think you're misconstruing the use of the word "sacrifice" to summon imagery of blood sacrifice (ie Indiana Jones).
Not all sacrifice is macabre or evil. Catholic Mass is a sacrifice.
I've not read a single source regarding Samhain/Halloween/All Saints Eve, even one from "your side" of the argument, that alludes to human sacrifice.
http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Projects/Reln91/Blood/s
acrificemainpage.htm
Besides, "pagan" is a blanket term. The ones you are trying to illustrate are Druids. They would make animal sacrifices, which were then immediately consumed as part of the festival.
Satan does not exist in the religion which you are misunderstanding. Satan is a Christian idea.
And I still assert that spirits are not all demons. Is the Holy Spirit a demon?
Before you try to correct me, I also have a lot of personal experience in these matters, and I know that there are some misguided individuals. By and large though, "pagan" religions (as paganism is not in-and-of-itself a religion) do not share these views and simply see the matter for what it is. Animals and crops are harvested for the coming winter, and tribute is paid to "the death of a god", not to "a god of death".

I suppose I should "fuck off," given that I wasn't his friend, child, or spouse, given that I wasn't "close to him." Except that I'm not going to fuck off.

Who are you to tell me not to mourn the loss of someone who's served as an inspiration—and dare I say a personal hero—to me and, evidently, to lots of other people? Why does it matter whether or not I knew him personally? I'm not mourning his death because of his abilities as a marketing guru, nor am I mourning his death as a user, per se, of Apple products (though they do enable me to be more creatively productive on a daily basis). I'm mourning his death because he taught me, at a relatively young age, important lessons about disregarding external expectations, about thinking of death as a motivational tool, about the importance of continually reflecting on the direction of my life and my career.

The sentiment you (and lots of others) are expressing—namely that there's a general disingenuousness surrounding the public's mourning of Steve Jobs's death—seems to me to be incredibly presumptuous. And your point about Ralph Steinman, one of the winners of this year's Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine, is categorically irrelevant. No doubt Ralph Steinman led an inspirational and remarkable life, one that deserves celebration. But he wasn't a public figure in the way that Steve Jobs was; he didn't have the same platform for public speeches and public interviews that made his thoughts readily available to the public at large. (If you were to make some kind of argument that, as a scientist, he ought to have more of a platform for his ideas, then you might have a valid point. But that's not what you expressed.)>> ^Jinx:
His death should be mourned in private sincerity by those close to him, not as a CEO, but as a friend/dad/husband. The rest of the world can fuck off.

Couldn't fucking care less about Steve. Why does it seem like the whole world is mourning a CEO who's real talent was selling an Apple Logo, marketing computers as a style symbol...and making people pay for it.

The only part of this video worth watching imo is the last 10 seconds. His death should be mourned in private sincerity by those close to him, not as a CEO, but as a friend/dad/husband. The rest of the world can fuck off.

In other news the Nobel Peace prize winner in medicine died before he could receive his award. Was also pancreatic Cancer. You know. Just some perspective.

I'm not saying anything about Steve Jobs personally when I bring this up. But I find it a little ironic that all my friends who've been posting about the recent "occupy Wall Street" protests by pasting all the requisite "Anonymous" videos on Facebook, are now posting about how much they mourn the loss of this man.

This is a guy who, although openly receiving pay of just one dollar a year, was paid in stocks. His estimated worth was almost nine billion dollars. Yet one of this man's very first decisions upon returning to the board of Apple was to terminate, "...all of Apple's long-standing corporate philanthropy programs within weeks after returning to Apple in 1997, citing the need to cut costs until profitability rebounded. But the programs have never been restored."

Again, I have nothing personal against the guy, and I'm not speaking ill of the dead. I just think it's funny.

>> ^LadyDeath:

Is not about Apple products and such a thing. This is about a human being who left behind a wife and his children. A person who battled with cancer.RIP Steve ,you made world a better place and you will be truly missed.


Actually, it's not about a man who left behind a wife and kids. I don't know Jobs wife and kids, I don't even think I've even seen a picture of them. Thousands of people with wives and kids die every day, and we don't mourn their passing.

His death means something to people because of the companies and products he helped create. There's nothing wrong with that; if we mourned every random person (regardless of the individual tragedy to their friends and families) we would spend our lives in grief.

Jobs was a visionary and a leader. Whether you liked his vision or not is irrelevant.

And @VoodooV, I don't think he single-handedly did anything. There may have been scores of engineers, designers, etc behind him, but he was the one with balls to risk it on their vision. You say if not him, someone else, well that's true of any great achievement (Crick and Watson with DNA, Newton with pretty much most of science, Hillary with Everest, all had people close behind them). It doesn't matter, what matters is that he did it.

RIP Steve.