I love how Trumpists like Lil Bobby here think Trump gives a rat's ass about them. Literally, they are sealing their own fate by supporting these lying, sycophantic self-promoters. All Trump is doing is enriching himself and his billionaire cronies. He's cutting your retirement, destroying your planet, and forcing you to work harder to get what you should already have. It's disgusting. I wish they would wake up and stop being sheep. Stop watching legacy news and actually try fact checking any single thing on which Trump or his buddies make claims. This is truly the most devastating time in modern history. In every metric.

No Biden corruption...only Trump collusion.

There was no prosecution or investigation at the time Joe Biden, with full American, international, and Ukrainian backing, pushed to have them remove a corrupt prosecutor who refused to prosecute corruption. The investigation of the company his son had worked for was closed, finding zero wrongdoing, long before Joe pushed them to remove an internationally recognized corrupt prosecutor. Every part of the story Trump told you, besides the location, is demonstrably, obviously, factually wrong. It's a pure Trump lie.
Most of the republicans repeating his lies know that for a fact, having been witness to what actually happened, the rest are willfully ignorant, refusing to look into it because they KNOW Trump is lying to them but don't want to admit it to themselves or you.

Trump's administration is by far the most corrupt in modern history, with more convictions, more forced out of office for malfeasance, more dishonesty and outright lies to the press, the American people, congress, the supreme court, international leaders, etc. There's no one they haven't lied to, and they go on tv and say they're justified lying to everyone, they have no obligation to tell the truth unless they're under oath, but even then they lie constantly....and get caught because they're stupid and dumb.

Really?! What evidence can you point to that isn't Trump's flapping gums? None. This conspiracy theory was also investigated and found to be as truthful as the pizza pedophile ring Clinton led from a pizza place's basement that didn't exist.

That's exactly what Trump says, the president can't be prosecuted or investigated, and anyone who does investigate him is a traitor who should face a firing squad, not Democrats or independents.
That's why more than 1/2 of registered voters think we know enough already to remove him, and 20-30% more think he should be removed if the charges are true, and the white house admitted they are true and offered written proof themselves, so dumb they thought it would exonerate him. *facepalm.
We're saying if you are so demented you make up insane self serving stories in your head like Biden stopped a prosecution, then you act as if they're factual, you should be removed from office for dementia, as should anyone who repeats your lies.

Now, if we're worried an administration may have abused their power to enrich their family, we should look at the king of nepotism, the Trumps, who do private business with countries we aren't aligned with and OBVIOUSLY, UNAMBIGUOUSLY get special favors and do nothing jobs that pay millions....Ivanka's trademarks in China for instance, bought with state promises by the president.

If Obama had had his personal attorneys skip around the globe pressuring foreign leaders to hurt his political opponents, withholding approved aid until they agree to help him personally, you would have lost your shit so thoroughly you could replace your home toilet with a urinal. There's zero question Trump has done this, he and Giuliani both have admitted it and there's evidence that, for once, they're telling the truth, too dumb to know collusion is wrong, too dumb to know admitting to extortion makes them suspects.

Thats rich coming from someone who blindly supports the most feeble minded POTUS we've had in modern history... But not a surprising coming from a Trumpanzee.

You don't think that has anything to do with the biased garbage you watch? I've seen every Democrat (politician) ever asked about the tax bill admit it benefits them, including Obama and Clinton.

Remember the last 6 months of "I pay more under this plan, it doesn't benefit me at all." ? You enjoy being completely lied to about a $1.5 Trillion a year handout to billionaires? So, Obama's problem was he wasn't rich or dishonest enough for you?

Democrats say it's financial Armageddon because handing over $1.5TRILLION per year to a hand full of hyper rich people when we already had a huge deficit is exactly that.
It's odd, (not really, it's typical Bob) I recall you and the right screaming Armageddon every time Obama passed a bill, and claiming he doubled the debt/deficit in his first term....clearly that was a racist ruse and financial responsibility is not an issue for you, because this single law costs far more than even you claimed Obama spent, a number that had you frothing at the mouth with rage, and is designed to benefit a single family...Trump's.

Bob...you admitted he's an unqualified liar who cannot get anything done, then you counter yourself with " Trump is kicking ass, making America greater this year even being dogged every day" Stop being idiotic and pretending you actually have a real opinion, you're obviously just trolling when you spout this nonsense, and it makes you look moronic.

I have no kids, and don't itemize, my tax rate goes UP under this law, so I probably pay more. This isn't the "pay your taxes on a postcard" promise kept, this adds serious complexity to the tax code, it doesn't simplify it. They admitted that, can't you?

Jesus fucking Christ, this single bill adds $15 Trillion to the debt over 10 years, so yes, let's be fair. For 2016, the deficit is expected to be approximately $590 billion, in 2020 that's now $2.09 Trillion...assuming Trump doesn't steal more for himself. Had Obama not increased the military budget by over $100 Billion (contrary to all right wing liars who falsely claim he shrunk it) in an effort to gain bipartisan support for his plans (a fool's errand) he would have actually SHRUNK the deficit. Clinton actually lowered the debt, erasing the deficit until your guy, Bush, turned us around bigly.

Only Americans who make over $150k a year will benefit financially...in the short term. When they have to pay for massive amounts of private security, private roads, water treatment, etc, and the country becomes Chinese (purchased and by force, with no allies left to help us, and China aligned with Russia, we're toast).
The "vase majority" of America might benefit, but the vast majority of Americans will pay dearly, as will the nation as a whole.

Sore looser? Compared to your (and the right's) treatment of Obama, I'm a trump supporter.
Stop trolling, you sound like a 4 year old ...lies, excuses, reversals, nonsense, misdirection, and high praise for a moron....not a good look, buddy. If Trump is kicking ass, it's for Russia and China, not us. Made us greater, by raising the debt and deficit by up to 400% with a single move and losing our international standing and allies. Dogged every day?....Not compared to Obama. Recall, instead of legislating, Republican leadership said 'my number one priority is making sure president Obama's a one-term president.', acted upon by being the most obstructionist and disrespectful congress in modern history.... during wartime, and not ending at the borders either. Better to hate Democrats than love America....morons and traitors, the lot of you.

Suddenly accuracy and detail become popular, and all it took was for the worst developed world leadership candidate in modern history to win the presidency of the US.

Do the words horse, stable and bolted mean anything to anyone?

We're about 10 years into post truth politics by now, and it seems a strange thing to me to start the fight-back here, on individual comments made by people beholden to themselves. Rather than opinion-shaping mass media printing literal lies.

Let he who did not engage in hyperbole during Trump's campaign cast the first stone. Everyone's suddenly twice the pedantic nerd I ever am when the phrase "post truth" becomes en vogue.

I don't want to be a dick or anything, but look at the backlash to all this policing of PC language. People were happy to give a potential president of the US the leeway to be sexist and xenophobic because of political correctness fatigue. Do you really want to do the same thing but with FACTS? Because that's where this ends...

2024 -- "Oh you can't say anything these days without being sure you're 100% correct and accurate and can't be misconstrued! So what if the president's opinion on climate change doesn't involve facts? It's about time someone spoke their mind without the fact-checking police getting involved!"

I genuinely don't want to be a dick about it. But if I am one, I'm pretty sure I do also have a good point.

Yup the paygap thing is indeed murky ground.

Therein lies the difference between mindless ideology and critical consideration of ideas & solutions.

There is a clear trend over time towards parity, one which does not appear to be stopping and is lightyears ahead of any previous time in modern history.

But that is not to suggest perfection or a lack of rational means to help move closer towards it.

This is very different to exclaiming "mysogyny!" and disregarding the immense complexity of both problem and solution.

You don't think that all police officers occasionally witness other officers using too much force, or arresting people without cause, or otherwise abusing their authority? Fair. I cannot assert to what extent police break the law while on duty. My guess is far higher than yours and that's fine.

But it's pretty clear that police don't rat out other police, or if they do, no officer gets arrested. I'd be surprised to hear of more than a few cases in modern history of one police officer choosing to arrest another police officer for an offence they witnessed them commit in the line of duty. The "Blue Wall" and all that. They protect themselves.

As for my mistaking something, the layers of what comment refers to what comment have gone way over my head.

Pre-bush tax cuts had one of the most prosperous era's in modern history.
Post-bush tax cuts...welp.....that fucked us over severely....

Im all for killing military spending and rich pricks getting kickbacks (how is this not effectively the same as raising taxes??)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

"The conflict lasted, unceasing, for 30 years, making it one of the longest continuous wars in modern history...

"A major impact of the Thirty Years' War was the extensive destruction of entire regions, denuded by the foraging armies. Episodes of famine and disease significantly decreased the populace of the German states and Bohemia, the Low Countries and Italy, while bankrupting most of the combatant powers..."

I just finished this book about the French Revolution. I felt the knowledge I had received from the Norwegian educational system was inadequate for such an important event in European history. I really liked the book; it is a fast read and lays out the important events during the 12 year period between the fall of the Bastille and the advent of Napoleon in a concise and entertaining manner. What is stunning about these events is how chaotic they really were, and how many similarities there are with other social changes in more modern history, violent or not.

Right now I'm reading two books in parallell:

Ian Cameron Esslemont's Stonewield
er, his 3rd novel in the Malazan universe he co-created with Steven Erikson. I have gotten hooked by this dark and gritty world through Erikson's books, which are unlike any other run-of-the-mill fantasy out there. Esslemont's books in the same universe have so far been under par in comparison, but his writing is getting better and better with each book.

Zur Sache, Chérie by Alain-Xavier Wurst. I'm reading this to learn German better. It's a very funny book written by a Frenchman living in Germany, about how bad German women (and men) are at flirting.

Not to put too fine a point on it - but his essential point is quite correct. No one was really called a "Palestinian" except in very recent world history. Certainly not within the context that the term is being used today.

However, that doesn't really matter much. The modern Jewish state also did not exist until recent modern history. They had a history as a nation until the Romans sacked the place, but after that point their identity was not that of a people/state, but simply as a 'race' which was scattered. Does that mean they did not exist? Of course not, and the Palestinians may not have had a state either, or necessarily an identity linked to a specific nation - but they were there.

As always - this whole discussion is pointless. The world should forcibly relocate all Jews to an island like Sicily. Then relocate all the "palestinians" to an island on the other side of the planet. Then build a big fence all around the disputed territory and turn it into an international museum run by the Swiss and no one else is allowed to live there. Problem solved.

http://falkvinge.net/2011/09/05/cable-reveals-extent-of-lapdoggery-from-swedish-govt-on-copyright-monopoly/

It's not a video, but it shows how WikiLeaks finally provided some proof that the Swedish government is but a lapdog of US business interest. It's basically the same all over Europe, but only our northern shipmates have so far put in the time to dig it all up.

The summary:

The Pirate Party was right on every detail. The hunt for ordinary Joes who share music and movies with one another has been behind the largest dismantlement of civil liberties in modern history, and American interests have been behind every part of it.

>> ^DerHasisttot:

>> ^Gallowflak:
>> ^DerHasisttot:
Ahh the British and the Nazis. i had a course last semester analysing Britain's ongoing fascination with the Nazis. Conclusions: 1. British school history-courses are a catastrophe of american magnitude.
2. Empire? What Empire? We defeated the Nazis! What? Britain had concentration camps, torture and cultural genocides? ... erm ... But we defeated the nazis, and they were way worse than us! Hooray Britain!

Britain, in my experience, is aware of its own miserable history to the point of being self-flagellating. There's a massive emphasis in culture and education on the tudors and WW2, and it's almost ridiculous, but I really doubt it has anything to do with soothing the social discomfort to be had by reflecting on the crimes of the empire.
I don't know. WW2 seems pretty fucking important when it comes to modern history, considering how much that conflict defined the shape of the future world.


Of course WW2 and Nazis should be studied. But there is the difference between study and obsession. We had to do projects for the course, and one group knew a bunch of Bachelor of Education- students being teacher's assistants in the UK at the time. So the group created a survey to look at british student's perceptions of Germany. One question concerned, for example, the number of years the students had WWII as a subject. Out of 4 or 5 classes (all over the UK), all had had WWII in more than 2 years, focussed mostly on Britain vs. Germany. When asked to name something "bad" the British Empire had done, most of only one class could name the enormous slave-trade. When asked to name the things they most associated with Germany, Nazis came before the cars and the soccer team. (And if you look at the tabloids and even proper papers when a match is on, you'll see an abundance of Nazi-refernces.) A friend of mine got cursed out of a London cab for being German. Nick Clegg wrote an article about the obsession. Edit: Moar. I can't find the article I'm searching for. I'll look again tomorrow.


"Having world war 2 in more than 2 years" does not mean that you have studied it for the entire duration of that teaching year - i have covered 3 or 4 different topics 3 or 4 different times during the course of my secondary education (11-16). The word "in" is a big clue there. We also covered native americans, the tudors and stewarts, and the rest i forget because i've never been interested in studying history.

The rest of my points i'll list in brief list form;
1) I don't believe that's true, at all, that 4 out of 5 classrooms full of students had no person who knew about the slave trade during colonial britain. That's covered plenty.
2) I am wholly unsurprised that a bunch of SCHOOL CHILDREN who have spent the last few years covering nazi germany on and off associate germany with nazis over cars (which they can't drive and who cares where cars are made?) and a football team (which we probably play on average once in a 2 year period, mostly in friendlies). If you're older than about 18, your grandad was probably in the war, and your grandma lived during those times. The war was a tough time and we're proud of standing alone for a time.
3) You're reading the sun or the news of the world - tip for you, stop reading the sun or the news of the world.
and 4) I've been cursed out of a london cab for being northern.

PS. Two world wars and one world cup, doodahhhh doodahhhh! .... it's a joke.

Come on lad, get a grip. This questionnaire sounds like bollocks to me - i've experienced 3 student exchanges with german students, and everyone got on really well with no war/nazi/anything comments or insinuations. I could ask 10 strangers what they thought of germany and i'd probably get 7 saying they like em. I got along better with german kids on holidays to spain than i did with the english kids, hung out with them, learned german better, and still love the language now.

Perhaps you're looking for it?

>> ^Gallowflak:

>> ^DerHasisttot:
Ahh the British and the Nazis. i had a course last semester analysing Britain's ongoing fascination with the Nazis. Conclusions: 1. British school history-courses are a catastrophe of american magnitude.
2. Empire? What Empire? We defeated the Nazis! What? Britain had concentration camps, torture and cultural genocides? ... erm ... But we defeated the nazis, and they were way worse than us! Hooray Britain!

Britain, in my experience, is aware of its own miserable history to the point of being self-flagellating. There's a massive emphasis in culture and education on the tudors and WW2, and it's almost ridiculous, but I really doubt it has anything to do with soothing the social discomfort to be had by reflecting on the crimes of the empire.
I don't know. WW2 seems pretty fucking important when it comes to modern history, considering how much that conflict defined the shape of the future world.



Of course WW2 and Nazis should be studied. But there is the difference between study and obsession. We had to do projects for the course, and one group knew a bunch of Bachelor of Education- students being teacher's assistants in the UK at the time. So the group created a survey to look at british student's perceptions of Germany. One question concerned, for example, the number of years the students had WWII as a subject. Out of 4 or 5 classes (all over the UK), all had had WWII in more than 2 years, focussed mostly on Britain vs. Germany. When asked to name something "bad" the British Empire had done, most of only one class could name the enormous slave-trade. When asked to name the things they most associated with Germany, Nazis came before the cars and the soccer team. (And if you look at the tabloids and even proper papers when a match is on, you'll see an abundance of Nazi-refernces.) A friend of mine got cursed out of a London cab for being German. Nick Clegg wrote an article about the obsession. Edit: Moar. I can't find the article I'm searching for. I'll look again tomorrow.

>> ^DerHasisttot:

Ahh the British and the Nazis. i had a course last semester analysing Britain's ongoing fascination with the Nazis. Conclusions: 1. British school history-courses are a catastrophe of american magnitude.
2. Empire? What Empire? We defeated the Nazis! What? Britain had concentration camps, torture and cultural genocides? ... erm ... But we defeated the nazis, and they were way worse than us! Hooray Britain!


Britain, in my experience, is aware of its own miserable history to the point of being self-flagellating. There's a massive emphasis in culture and education on the tudors and WW2, and it's almost ridiculous, but I really doubt it has anything to do with soothing the social discomfort to be had by reflecting on the crimes of the empire.

I don't know. WW2 seems pretty fucking important when it comes to modern history, considering how much that conflict defined the shape of the future world.