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Free Speech Considered Support for Nazism

newtboy says...

Lol. Yeah, right, more liberal (my liberal friends think I'm pretty conservative, I say I'm old school republican... socially liberal and fiscally responsible, definitely not a neocon)...but do you feel the same about BLM activists disrupting other events, they should be allowed to stay and speak, holding their anti police violence signs high even at anti BLM rallies? Would they be allowed?

I agree, getting slightly physical with him was stooping ever so slightly closer to his ilk's level, although the extent they got physical was pretty minor, wasn't it?
Oh no...they grabbed his cardboard sign equivalent to an all lives matter sign at a BLM march. VIOLENCE!! Pay him one cent in restitution if he sues. It's not a civil rights case, it's what he was hoping for.

When a known white power spokesman shows up at a protest against a white power organization he's associated with it's international provocation. Don't be naive.

Removing him by having an older woman slowly walk into him until he's out of the middle of the protest doesn't bother me one bit. I don't call that violence, I call it the opposite. If they punched him, violently grabbed him (not his sign), kicked him, or actually assaulted him I might think differently, but I saw none of that.

If he wasn't doing this in the middle of a protest against his pro Nazi racist organization in an effort to disrupt and distract from the anti racist crowd, I might feel differently. He has every right to his voice, but not their soapbox. No one stopped him from standing outside the active protest area with any sign.

They grabbed his cardboard, he was so intimidated that he held on and went back into the angry mob with it instead of letting them steal it, then cries for years about how he was attacked violently by an entire mob that didn't touch him. He was poking the bull, got a snort, and cries he got both horns.

What I saw was a person who was identified as a well known racist spokesman intentionally provoking anti racists at an anti racist event and being calmly moved out of the crowd without anyone laying hands on him.

I did not see what the title and description describes at all.

It was his well known public support of Nazism being considered support for Nazism, not free speech.

It was not the disingenuous words on his sign they found unacceptable it was his public support of racist positions that were the unacceptable sentiments. (disingenuous because I assume he doesn't think blacks should have a right to openly join discussions of ideas, but his sign meant Nazi/white supremacist opinions matter and you must let them espouse them whenever and wherever they wish including at anti racist events or you're anti free speech...which I find to be hypocritical nonsense).

bcglorf said:

Well, we’ve finally found an area where I lean more left/liberal than you do.

I hate how little evidence seems required to class someone ‘alt-right’ and equally how little effort is needed to re-class anyone ‘alt-right’ as a fascist, racist and nazi. It’s beyond intellectual laziness, and stinks of modern day witch huntery sometimes.

For the video here though, I can even hypothetically cede that all too you, and lets just pretend the guy in the video is 100% a committed, public Hitler enthusiast.

Even then, if all he wants to do is stand in the street with a sign, as he is in the video, then I lean left/liberal enough that I still believe you then meet him with words and counter protest, reveal his ideas as the vile poison they are. You do NOT get to use force and violence to chase him off by shoving him out, physically making him leave, and trying to steal his sign or assault him.

If he crosses the line of messages that promote violence, then the police get to use force to bring him in front of a judge and charge him. Angry mobs crushing dissenting opinion though is NOT the way forwards.

Jack - Michigan - Republican Voters Against Trump

StukaFox says...

Yet the Dems run the most insipid candidate since Dukakis and not because he's the best candidate, but because it's his turn.

The worst part is the DNC is looking at a truly momentous election where they could lay the foundation for a generational political shift in the US the same way Reagan did in 1980, but they utterly fail to understand why some of the same people who voted for Trump in '16 voted for Obama two elections earlier and have decided to play party politics instead.

The worst thing that could happen to the Dems right now is to win this election. The GOP is going to blame them for the wreckage left by Trump, pile on Biden every chance they get, and exploit the DNC's blindness to push the Dems into political oblivion.

Rayshard Brooks shooting police bodycam footage

bobknight33 says...

100% false
"kicking him as he lay bleeding to death, and refusing to render timely aid, instead standing on his body for at least 2 minutes watching him bleed out. "

Obliviously you watch fake news. You are the pusher of hate an lies. Learn truth not push lies blindly.

Cops were cool all the way till the point when the suspect went form zero to full bore attack.

You call it 43 minutes of wasted time . I call it cops being respectful and doing their job professionally.

" Cop is now facing felony murder charges among multiple other charges."

Political witch hunt. No crime. He will walk and Atlanta will burn again because of the false narrative.

newtboy said:

43 wasted minutes with the critical 10 seconds that included the officer shooting a man who was running away in the back twice, also hitting an uninvolved car with 3 passengers because he didn't bother to see what was behind his target, kicking him as he lay bleeding to death, and refusing to render timely aid, instead standing on his body for at least 2 minutes watching him bleed out.
Cop is now facing felony murder charges among multiple other charges.

Rayshard Brooks shooting police bodycam footage

newtboy says...

43 wasted minutes with the critical 10 seconds that included the officer shooting a man who was running away in the back twice, also hitting an uninvolved car with 3 passengers because he didn't bother to see what was behind his target, kicking him as he lay bleeding to death, and refusing to render timely aid, instead standing on his body for at least 2 minutes watching him bleed out.
Cop is now facing felony murder charges among multiple other charges.

Cop Drives Man Over 100 Miles After Traffic Stop ...

BSR says...

Just sent you 10 power points. That should cover your cost plus pain and suffering.

"Keep the Change You Filthy Animal"

EDIT:

You could find out if a Go Fund Me has been set up to reimburse the money cost. If not you could start one to make your point. Who would be the hero then?

EDIT 2: Because I'm a slow thinker.

As you know, I do body recovery. I pick dead people up and put them down.

Had a house call to recover a 425 lb male laying on the floor face down. 2 people are normally dispatched to a house call. Try as we might the man was too heavy to lift onto the lowered gurney which is about 5" above the ground.

To get extra help we can call fire-rescue to assist us because the dead are as entitled to the service as the living.

EDIT 3: as mentioned in EDIT 2:

I just had surgery yesterday for my very first ever HERNIA! I wear it as a badge of honor.

newtboy said:

Will do.....

Worst case scenario?
$50 an hour X 2 for goldentime X 8 hours (drove slow and waited for the man) +15 gallons of premium gas ($4 where I live, but let's say $2.50) + incidental wear and tear ($5?) =$842.50 / 150000000 taxpayers = $.0000056.

Now I'm really pissed, I had no idea it might be that much.

Honestly I would gladly give him a dollar for doing it if he did it at his own expense...which he may have. I'm not accusing him of anything, just outlining one reasonable possibility.

Definition of "cool as a cucumber"

blacklotus90 says...

Depends on the type of bear and why it's advancing / whether it's attacking! Generally it's good to calmly make yourself known and look large, as you say. This one already seemed aware and curious, but not necessarily threatening, so provoking it probably wouldn't be a great idea. It's a myth that running or trying to move away will activate a chase, especially if the bear is in territory with food - moving away while watching the bear and grouping together to seem larger was the right thing to do. Should the bear actually attack: If the bear's black, fight back (and/or call its bluff charge). If it's brown, lay down (play dead for brown or grizzly bears).

SFOGuy said:

Blueberries for Sal in real life!

I thought the National Park Ranger approved thing to do was turn, make yourself as big as possible, waving your hands and flaring out your jacket (Dad? Dad, can you put the phone down and help me here?)---and then make some noise---but not to back down or turn your back.

However: not actually an outdoorsman.

Anyone?

Twelfth Night - full play (until 30 April 2020)

noims says...

This is now Logan's Run *dead


Come away, come away, Death,
And in sad cypress let me be laid;
Fly away, fly away, breath,
I am slain by a fair cruel maid.
My shroud of white stuck all with yew, O prepare it!
My part of death no one so true did share it.

Not a flower, not a flower sweet,
On my black coffin let there be strewn:
Not a friend, not a friend greet
My poor corpse, where my bones shall be thrown.
A thousand thousand sighs to save, lay me O where
Sad true lover never find my grave, to weep there!
- Act II Scene 4

Why This British Crossroads Is So Dangerous

cloudballoon says...

Well, the video already mentioned the cost of getting traffic lights as well as laying down miles (or Kilometres) of electric cables, so this is a rural area (otherwise a city/town would've certainly found the money to do it)... installing traffic cams will need to lay those same cables.

They could do a roundabout maybe? UK & EU are fond of those...

00Scud00 said:

In general I'm opposed to using traffic cams to ticket people who don't stop at lights or intersections, but I think I'd allow it in this instance.

Violent Police Attack A Family At Home Over Nothing

visionep says...

He was ordered onto the ground tons of times and he did step out aggressively yelling back at the police. I would say he was being provoked for the aggression part, but he definitely didn't get on the ground.

I think he'll still get a payout though. I doubt the person who called will have enough money that they'll get anything useful from them. But the dog did not release as it was supposed to and caused a lot more damage than the officers likely intended. In this case the dog was a tool that malfunctioned and the responsibility for the tools the police use lays on their shoulders.

newtboy said:

"He never once made an aggressive move towards police from what I saw, only complied with their order hands up the entire time (except the first contact order to get on the f#cking ground)"

A walk through an Italian hospital right now

lucky760 says...

Holy crap man... geez, that's hard to watch and awful to realize how many humans are just laying there waiting to die... 800 died yesterday alone in Italy...

Heart-wrenching. And it kills me to see so many people out socializing in close proximity without a care in the world. They know and don't care that they can all be silently passing the virus on to one another then on to other loved ones who are more vulnerable.

It won't stop spreading if people won't fucking stop being selfish dipshit assholes.

Countertop cat defense done right

BSR says...

How were they able to lay the sticky side of the tape upwards on the counter? Oil on a fingertip or something? Seems it could be painful removing the tape from the cat, especially the whiskers.

What role did the foil play? So many questions.

Two Players struck by lightning

lucky760 says...

I find this hard to believe.

I've seen a lot of videos of people catching on video a close-up lightning strike (like in their backyard) and there's always an enormous, deafening explosion sound when the lightning hits, and you also see it.

In this video there's just a flash in the sky and the two blokes seemingly just lay down with a bellyache.

Black Mesa: STALWART XT - Full Walkthrough

BSR says...

The thing I like about this guy's videos is that he gets in and gets out. Wastes no time getting through and you don't have to listen to him blab throughout the whole thing. And I gotta say, he's near perfect shot!

Just make sure you are not the one he shoots and your body lays over a railing with your butt up in the air.

Why Don't Birds Lay Square Eggs?

60 teens vandalizing and looting Walgreens

newtboy says...

1) I'm not opposed to suicide. If life makes you unhappy, I don't insist you suffer through it. People who judge themselves unworthy of life fall into that category.

2) I've been at it for 45 years+-. It has nothing to do with strength, it's about a compulsion to work towards fairness, knowing it won't ever be reached, at least in my lifetime. I'm strong enough to never condone or excuse clear racism as long as I draw breath.

3) ? You would catch the arsonists before the home owner and their children and not lay blame at their feet. I would let the arsonist burn, locking them inside the house they ignited after saving the family. He's the one with the gas can and lighter if you can't identify who is who.
Calling out wholly inappropriate behavior/speech is never a waste of time. Gaining the trust of racists at the expense of their victims and society as a whole is worse than a waste of time, it's supporting racism.

4) My point. Let them get it, while not allowing your gift to be stolen or misused for harm or other things they get judged harshly for. No judgement, no opportunity for misuse, not just throwing money at a problem, helping a person.

BSR said:

1) Everyone makes mistakes. When the error of their ways is exposed they may change or they may put a gun to their head. Only they can judge themselves.

2) Keep denouncing as long as you can. You will need to know how strong you were.

3) Nipping it in the bud every single time will be a waste of time. When the house is on fire and people are jumping, you need to be there to catch them just as they will be there to catch you.

4) No need to judge. Give as little or as much as you like without terms or conditions. They know better than you what they need.



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