Would you do me the courtesy of reading what I say before rejecting it? I specifically said: "Somebody like Saddam Hussein usually didn't care about Jack Bauer style, minutes count specific intel."

Jack Bauer style meaning like your revelation of a closely guarded secret after waterboarding...

Saddam would do things like sending his police to a disloyal man's home, and them simply handing over a video of them torturing his son or raping his wife/daughter whom they still had in custody. We don't have to like it, but it absolutely was effective in crushing dissent from not only that guy, but as word spreads a lot of other start wondering if resistance is worth the cost.

Our world is absolutely filled with examples of violence, rape and torture being used as powerfully effective weapons and ignoring it doesn't wish it away. The fact it these things are so powerful makes them all the more awful and more important we discuss it.

@JiggaJonson,

When you say:
...I'm against promoting the idea that torture works...

I can see where you are coming from on this. In the sense that it might then encourage people to accept using it, because it works.

My problem with that line of reasoning though is that torture actually is effective. The simplest proof being that we wouldn't have every single national intelligence agency using it(directly or indirectly by a less squeamish ally as we 'civilized' nations prefer to do it).

Your links to the ineffectiveness of torture only look at the narrowest possible goals from it. Somebody like Saddam Hussein usually didn't care about Jack Bauer style, minutes count specific intel. Getting the names of everyone you knew or 'conspired' with mattered, and torture IS effective at getting people to talk. The trouble your links note is that torture victims will say literally anything to get you to stop. When looking for information though, victims can't name real people unless they know them. Better still for guys like Saddam, if you get yourself 3 victims in the same movement, you can cross reference things and build a list of suspects. To more ethical nations like us that's unactionable intelligence, but if you don't care if you sweep up 5 innocents along with the 5 people that really were a threat to you, it still 'worked'.

Torture also is widely used simply as a tool to instill fear. When your citizens have seen the broken shells of people who's loyalty was deemed questionable, fear keeps them in step. It worked for Saddam until external forces stopped him, and it's helped keep 3 generations in power in North Korea.

Getting back closer to the video, things we don't like don't go away just because we refuse to talk about them. Rape, torture, and violence aren't like the boogeyman that will go away if we just stop talking and thinking about them so much. We need to accept that there are terrible things in our world that people do and benefit from doing them. These are things that people use to gain a feeling of power, or to truly gain real tangible power over other people.

Of course we have to discuss them responsibly, and the danger of shaming victims is an equally real thing to be aware of. At the same time though, humor is one of the ways of bridging the gap to people dealing with trauma, so jokes about things that cause trauma like rape, violence and torture have an honest place in making things better as well.

*comedy *parody Jack Bauer's dad ... hahahahaha

Quick, get Jack Bauer to rape some woman and murder a few presidents to stop the terrorists!

I want a Susan Glenn. Dang Jack Bauer.

and by differently he means he'd torture her until she said yes.
DAMN IT! Nobody rejects Jack Bauer!

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I'm calling bullshit on this commercial. F'in Kiefer was Donald Sutherland's kid, which I"m sure gave him serious cred not to mention he was an actor from a fairly early age and was all the rage when he was in Lost Boys. I find it very hard to believe that women weren't throwing themselves at him...


Dude! Show me a commercial that -isn't- bullshit, -then- you'll have a story.

Seemingly nice guy, sounds like Jack Bauer, doesn't understand Wisconsin.

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Fixed and thanks!

The fucking balls on that guy running with a rifle like that. You can't pay me enough to go charging in an open field. Jack Bauer got nothing on these guys!

You have been awarded 1 Power Point for fixing the embed code for Dead Pool video Jack Bauer Interrogates Chunk. Thank you for helping maintain VideoSift's reliability.

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Fixed and thanks!

*nsfw for cussing. Jack Bauer was weak.