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Inverted is the only way to go - supposedly. I honestly can't taste the difference.

@Trancecoach
um..did you just take an analogy i made and make that your entire premise to defend your position?

sighs.
look man.
i am an anarchist.
i am not defending the government.
why you assume that i do not know..but if i gave that impression,then i apologize.

let me posit this for your perusal.

as an anarchist i believe all systems of authority and power to be illegitimate until proven otherwise.
the burden is on those who profess authority.

as an anarchist i agree that a free market can work quite well,BUT you have never once posited the counter balance to that equation.
because even as an anarchist i have to recognize that there needs to be a system which keeps the hands on the scales that keeps the playing field even and the kids playing nice.

these systems are for the people,by the people and run by the people.
and if they begin to falter and become suspect in regards to corruption.
they shall be discarded in favor of a new system.

so when you say the government is too large and bloated and needs to be made smaller..i agree.
BUT..you stop there.

are you implying that we have a free market now?
did you actually infer that america begot its wealth and power purely through free market exchanges?
have you even been paying attention?

corporate america has been exploiting third world countries for over a century!
and our government has been the fist that punched the:exploitation,ruination and demise of those countries.hell thats the reason WHY they are third world!
hundreds of thousands of humans dying and suffering so we can have cheap crap to buy.
its shameful and if thats your idea of a free market.
well..you can fucking keep it.

you only seem to address one part of the equation.
or are you oblivious to the harm that corporate america has wrought for the past century?

who or what will keep that behemoth in check?
what do you think will happen when you take regulation off the table?
(and i am not making a case FOR regulation by the way.kinda sad i have to caveat that).
do you understand what feudalism actually is?
we are living in what is now being called a "neo-feudalism" state.
or as sheldon wholin called "inverted totalitarianism".

you point to the government but not to the invisible hand that owns it.which is corporate america.

so i am really trying to understand your position but if you are not willing to acknowledge that very real dynamic i dont know how i can take your position seriously.

then again.i am a pretty crappy capitalist.
exploitation aint my thing.
though i dig libertarian socialist.
has a ring ya?

Thanks for the article. It kinda reads like an add for Jennifer Mathers' 'octopuses are smart' book. Her 2008 Consciousness and Cognition paper does a better job at laying out the most cephalopod behaviors impressive behaviors:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810006001504
. Don't get me wrong; I think cephaolopods totally awesome, but I don't see the case for them being cognitive leaps and bounds above other invertebrates. The behaviors that they are capable of are found elsewhere among inverts, yet people (often encouraged by Mathers or her coauthors on that book) seem to imply they are basically eight armed dogs of the sea:

Behavioral conditioning in the lab (which Mathers likes to call "learning") - Bees, butterflies
Moving objects to close off burrows - mantis shrimp
Carrying objects as temporary refuges - crabs
Individual recognition - wasps, lobsters?, mantis shrimp.
Complex spatial navigation - ants, bees.
Learning via observation - I'm not aware of other inverts that do this, but the cephalopod evidence is also pretty weak.

Maybe there are some more recent, and more convincing results?

I dunno man, when gorillas do it it's not exactly a '69' innit? More like, the inverted thirteens???

today's lesson on the international music scene: this guy's name is Stromae (which comes from inverting the syllables of "maestro" which is a practice in French slang called "verlan" which comes from the inverted syllables of "l'envers" which, in French, means "the inverse") who, in this moving bit of performance art, recounts how quickly one can fall from being "wonderful" (fr: formidable) after a breakup. this video has ~30,000,000 views and he has 2 songs in the billboard top 10 France right now. talent. i'm going to get a beer. peace.

He needs to meet some chick who will wake up laughing about his snoring....That is some seriously funny-ass snoring!!

Remember those invert-and-bleat goat and sheep sound canister toys??

Very cool. I've done quite a bit of snorkeling (mostly in the Caribbean though) and have seen lots of weird fish and marine inverts, but never seen or heard of that before. Learn something new every day...

Saw a fascinating article in Smithsonian Air and Space magazine (I think) which basically outlined that the inverted roll thing would have never worked in a real runaway jack screw trim failure (which is what killed all the unfortunate people on that Alaska Airlines Flight).

Still, a great movie scene once you suspend your disbelief.

I already knew Zemeckis could do a crash scene well from Cast Away, but dayum. Now I want to see this.

Also, while I recognize HOW he lands the plane is a spoiler, and that this is likely the most memorable scene in the entire film, I'd challenge that the trailers kind of already ruin the inverted thing anyways. I didn't see anything here I wasn't expecting, I just never got around to seeing this one because buzz was mixed.

I love how many of Zemeckis' films don't feature a main antagonist. Forrest Gump, Cast Away, Flight... he seems to really enjoy atypical storytelling.

lol I wasn't paying attention in a discrete math class one day and at the end there was a problem on the board for extra credit. Given a position in a series, find the number. I thought about it for about a week until I made the connection to Pascal's triangle. Wrote an equation 30 minutes before class, because it had been due the class before and as long as I got it in before the next class started it wasn't late. Just for good measure I inverted it and solved for the positon in the series given a number. Then I wrote a dumb, long rambling description of my thought process in deducing the answer. Rushed it to the professor's office and handed it to him just as he was getting ready to leave for class. I sat watching him silently reading it over until I felt compelled to apologize for the incoherent preface. He didn't answer and I excused myself and went to class feeling kind of dumb.

The professor showed up about 20 minutes late for class and explained how the assignment had been to create a simple formula to "aproximate" the position, something like, the number will be no higher than (x-1/y)(y/x-1) or some other nonsense. He hadn't ever seen an actual precise solution until that day.

Score 1 for not paying attention in class.

I'd been wondering what the puff of smoke was... according to an article in El Reg, quoting robohub.org, it was a flour filled shock absorber breaking.

I call shenanigans.
Let's do some math...
5 billion panels at approximately $10K each at (far less than) today's prices for regular home panels which may be as low as $500 each when on sale, purchased in bulk, and discontinued models (note his panels are 12'x12', which is approximately 15-20 normal size panels spliced together) This means JUST the panels for his idea would cost over $50 TRILLION (at the insane discount price I described). This does not include instalation (labor and hardware), inverters, wireing, transmission, super-glass coating, heater, LED setup, .... All this is usually at least 2/3 -3/4 the cost of a solar system without super-glass, so lets be stupidly kind again and say his system can be put together at the same cost per watt as a cheap home system (which is insanity, it would cost 10 times that per watt or per square foot at least, probably more like 100 times with the super glass), that comes to >$150 TRILLION. Then you need to completely redesign cars (even the already electrics) to capture and use the electricity, another huge, ignored cost of this system. Just an educated guess, it seems like a realistic number for this entire nation wide system would likely be well over $3000Trillion. Get real.
Also, in what world are most roadways not shaded, it's not the one I live in.
And I guess we won't be driving at night anymore, or should we spend another $100-$1000 trillion to line the roadways with batteries?
They answer the comment 'you'll just slip off when it's wet' with 'it's nearly as stong as steel'. ? Perhaps they think sliding off the road is fine, I don't.
They imply they think they're system is cheaper than asphalt, or soon will be. That's just plain wrong under the best (or worst) of circumstances.
The entire 'pressure plate' idea is just stupid, it ignores the energy used to push the plate down, which is the same as constantly climbing a steep hill, or really more like constantly driving up stairs.
Get your broom people.

Modern inverter air conditioners can modulate the out going air temperature (they vary the compressor speed). Natural gas home heaters can also vary the out going air temperature (they burn more or less gas as needed).

So it depends on what sort of heater/cooler you are using.

I saw the discussion of Oswald, but I don't think that's what the increasingly fuzzy memory was about. In large part because Oswald -was- created by one of Disney's employees. I suppose it's possible that I completely inverted the issue over the course of a few years, but I hope not. Call it ego if you will, but I like to believe I keep at least the general idea correct.
>> ^Sagemind:

You may be thinking of "Oswald the Rabbit"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_the_Lucky_Rabbit
Mickey Mouse was created early in 1928 on a train ride from New York to Los Angeles as Walt was returning with his wife from a business meeting at which he lost the copyright of his cartoon, Oswald the Rabbit. Walt spent the train ride thinking up a little mouse in red velvet pants and named him “Mortimer,” but by the time the ride was over, had changed his name to “Mickey.”
Oswald was also a knockoff of many cartoon characters of the time, most notably Felix the Cat.
An intersting discussion on the subject.:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/did-walt-steal-the-idea-of-micke
y.78437/
>> ^Stormsinger:
>> ^Sarzy:
>> ^Stormsinger:
Disney's biggest selling features, like Mickey Mouse and the Lion King, were clearly stolen from other artist's work.

You're definitely right about The Lion King, but what was Mickey Mouse stolen from? The only character I can think of is Oswald, but that was a Disney creation as well.
(and I think Star Wars should be just fine at Disney -- it's hard to argue that they've done anything but a bang-up job with Marvel's cinematic output, and presumably they'll put the same thought and care into future Star Wars films)

You may be right...there was a toy that some claim Mortimer/Mickey was copied from, but that's not what I was remembering. Sadly, I cannot find any reference to what I thought I remembered, so I'll have to drop Mickey as an example.
However, few of Disney's big films were original stories, he had a penchant for taking public domain IP and using it (The Brothers Grimm, and Hans Christian Anderson for example)...then, as we all know, buying politicians to make sure that his own copyrights would never expire. Still a form of theft, but not quite as severe.
Bottom line, it's not a company I care to patronize...but Star Wars is not a property I care about either, so it's a fairly moot point to me.

>> ^bobknight33:

Capitalism at work in China. 1 inverter living his dream.

Socialism at work in America. In America our government forces GM to produce the Chevy Volt. Very little people buy them since they cost $100,000. The buyer pays $40K and the Tax payer eats the $60K.


"Capitalism at work in China. 1 inverter conman living his dream."

Fixed that for ya.

This is just another perpetual motion machine. You cannot violate the second law of thermodynamics, which would be required for this to work.