>> ^StukaFox:
Duckman33: "Why question the Government? It's easier to wear blinders and believe everything you are told.
No independent thought. Marry and reproduce. Consume. This is your God --> $$."
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Duckman33: Neither I, nor anyone here said anything of the sort.
You Troofers can't even keep your own lies straight when they're right in front of you.


Show me where in the comment I said anything even closely resembling "GEORGE BUSH DID 9/111!1!"

Now you're just trolling.

I have never once said the Government or George Bush was responsible for 9/11. I have only said that there is something fishy going on. And that I don't believe everything they tell me.

I'll say it yet again, quit putting words into my mouth.

Duckman33: "Why question the Government? It's easier to wear blinders and believe everything you are told.

No independent thought. Marry and reproduce. Consume. This is your God --> $$."

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Duckman33: Neither I, nor anyone here said anything of the sort.

You Troofers can't even keep your own lies straight when they're right in front of you.

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Why question the Government? It's easier to wear blinders and believe everything you are told.

No independent thought. Marry and reproduce. Consume. This is your God --> $$.

>> ^Duckman33:
>> ^zombieater:
Either way, I'm willing to bet that she has no more than a high school education - if that. It may sound elitist, but I believe that education is the cornerstone of creating a society of logical, thinking, clear-headed individuals able to make critical decisions.

You've got to be kidding me. I've got no higher than a high school education (because I could not afford to go to College) and I am no where near as ignorant as this woman. I also work in the IT field. Which requires logical, clear-headed thinking in order to perform my job. AND I'm self taught no less.
I hate to burst your bubble pal. But I know a lot of College educated people that are just as ignorant as this woman. There is such a thing as common sense, and independent thought. Both of which this woman is severely lacking. No College in the world can teach you common sense. You either have it or you don't. As for independent thought. It's perfectly clear from this clip that she lets the media and the Church do her thinking for her.


Well, my question was 'What made her so ignorant?' I merely suggested that education may play a part in that process. I never insinuated that education was the only cause. I'm sure that there are many voters that have high school educations that can still think critically, but there are probably also many that can't. The underlying question is, "Does having a low education make one more or less likely to be ignorant on voting issues?"

I certainly don't have the answer.

>> ^zombieater:
Either way, I'm willing to bet that she has no more than a high school education - if that. It may sound elitist, but I believe that education is the cornerstone of creating a society of logical, thinking, clear-headed individuals able to make critical decisions.


You've got to be kidding me. I've got no higher than a high school education (because I could not afford to go to College) and I am no where near as ignorant as this woman. I also work in the IT field. Which requires logical, clear-headed thinking in order to perform my job. AND I'm self taught no less.

I hate to burst your bubble pal. But I know a lot of College educated people that are just as ignorant as this woman. There is such a thing as common sense, and independent thought. Both of which this woman is severely lacking. No College in the world can teach you common sense. You either have it or you don't. As for independent thought. It's perfectly clear from this clip that she lets the media and the Church do her thinking for her.

>> ^Xax:
What the hell is wrong with people that this could happen? It's even more unbelievable when a group of people team up to do this shit... do moral compasses and independent thought just disappear when people group up?


Yes. See Mob Mentality.

What the hell is wrong with people that this could happen? It's even more unbelievable when a group of people team up to do this shit... do moral compasses and independent thought just disappear when people group up?

Seeing as I'm neither Conservative nor Liberal (though I guarantee you BO would label me as one), allow me to say that the small, meager portion of VS that is ultra right-wing Conservative needs to up their medication. Yep, you got the whole plan figured out...

Remember kiddies, say NO to independent thought. Follow the herd, conform and stay locked within the confines of what the leaders say is right. Never question those that are "smarter" than you. Ignorance is bliss!

(The following is a response to the aggression of the Right, NOT a defense of the Left. Thank you and we return you to your regularly scheduled programming.)

To be honest, I don't think either McCain or Palin would be in charge of a McCain/Palin administration. McCain has renounced every independent thought that he's ever had and Palin is a pretty, unremarkable neophyte.

I believe the Project for the New American Century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century) would continue to run the government just like they are doing right now.

>> ^iloseatlife:
It's trendy right now to "dislike" America and Religion. At one time maybe it was independent thought,

Oh, really, we're just doing it to be trendy?

Ok, here are some reasons:

USA: I think what most of us can agree on is that we don't dislike the USA as such, just what the current government is doing, and the voting majority who brought the same moron back into power a second time. With some of the populous actually getting behind bullcrap like 'Freedom Fries' when the French refused to join in on the lie of a war that was/is Iraq. With the ridiculous 'you're either with us or you're against us' attitude towards your own populous by many... Your insane love of humoungous gas guzzling SUVs that has leached over to other countries (sadly Austrlaia is afflicted with this too), the general impression that you lot seem to think that the USA is the be all and end all of what a country should be. That is spends such an ungodly amount of money on war when just a fraction of that being spent on your failing education system would create a new generation of elightened kids who could help steer the US of A back on course.

These things and more are what annoys a lot of us about the US, and the fact that it is the largest, and the strongest country in the world and does these things affects ALL of us.

Religion: Oh this so isn't badnwagon jumping on the anti religion crowd, this is those of us who don't believe in religion getting to a point of deciding enough is enough and having to speak up. When religion starts forcing its way into politics, when schools start having their SCIENCE classes changed to teach 'INTELLIGENT DESIGN'... COME ON, how can we not get angry, you are creating children who think it's ok to believe in something jut because a book colaboratively written by a bunch of guys a long time ago and then altered inumerable times thereafter says so.

We have more than enough reason to be really shitty at religion and the US at present.

BUT.

I know a number of people in the states personally, and they're great people who also hate the direction the country is headed, I know there are millions more of the same mindset. If you can just get the country to start going in the right direction there is still hope and the US can become a beacon once again, rather than a demonstration of how NOT to do things.

And religion... in the right context can be great, when you don't try and force said beliefs on others, don't try to teach 'gospel' in our classrooms as scientific fact, don't persecute people because they don't believe in what you do... then it's fine. Live by those 10 commandments (actually live by them, especially 'do unto others') and we'd all be happier I think.

Don't try and belittle people who have valid concerns by trying to suggest we're just 'bandwagon' jumpers, that's just small minded and cheap.

Of course, we know this video is all about the cheap shots... doesn't mean we don't find it funny... Find me a similar one on Australia, and I'll upvote that too... we have a sense of humour about our country, we don't get all antsy at the smallest whiff on 'non patriotic' behavior.

edit: Actually, The Simpsons take on Australia I remember I got a bit shitty about this way back when, took it to heart a bit. But these days I find it piss funny. You have to know with these things that people don't think they're REAL, they know it's all a JOKE... Lighten up.

It's trendy right now to "dislike" America and Religion. At one time maybe it was independent thought, but now it's just trendy. Most people can't even come up with good reasons "I just have problems with religion. I just have problems with the way the US handles things."
QM why do you even feel the need to defend anything? The only time that people need to defend the US is when the people who complain actually do something. But right now, it's like someone who refuses to get a new job because they are having too much fun bitching and moaning about their current one.
And find me someone who's never accidentally tried a door that didn't work or was locked because that man is a god.
Oh, and OJ Simpson is black, no one would ever consider him a novelist... duh.
He's our athlete, cause americans have the most unreasonably violent athletes and sports fans in the world, oh wait... damn I can't even type it with a straight face.

Y'know, BillO, I've listened to it four times now, and I don't hear the lunacy. It sounds like a political sermon I've heard before. This is the pain one feels on the receiving end of racism. For you to hear it too, you'd have to have the qualities of empathy that I frankly don't expect from you.

And I agree, to downvote this video shows a lack of independent thought.

As an afterthought: I'd much rather be annoying for challenging irrational beliefs with rational thought, than part of an ancient system of mental slavery that produces acts of mass genocide and punishes the best and brightest of our species for independent thought.

qrell, keep making apologies, but he says "we weren't allowed to resist hijakers" and then goes on to say airlines even weren't allowed to protect their investments.

Two complete independent thoughts. And why the hell do you think pilots are somehow qualified. It's one thing to say that airlines could put guards on the planes, or arm stewards, but really, a pilot is doing their own thing. And probably and most qualified guerilla warrior. Plus there are only about two people on the plane that you do NOT want in a shoot out, that being the two that can land a plane. You want someone in the back row of the plane with a scope and a rifle with clear view.

Uh... ok. But chances are my new country will have internet access and ironically will probably provide me MORE freedom to post things like this because there won't be nearly as many people like you around trying to stifle independent thought and truth. Keep waving that flag, bubba. Keep waving that flag...