>> ^charliem:
To get the kind of fluoride damage he showed in those pictures you would need a LOT more than what gets added to your water, but he conveniently omitted that bit of info, only to then plug his crap at the end of the bit.
Selling homoeopathic shit as a doctor ruins all credibility this guy had.


We both agree that selling homeopathic shit is shit.

To get that fluoride damage.... so how did he get it? Most likely just drinking too much water. Maybe he didn't have air conditioning. Fluoride also has been scientifically linked to bone cancer. Thankfully bone cancer is relatively rare to begin with.

>> ^marinara:

so it's better to be a dumbass dentist and ruin peoples teeth with flouridosis and feed poison to babies than to sell some homeopathic shit? rhetorical question.


Logical fallacy. Yes fluoridosis is bad, but not once has he provided evidence to suggest excess levels of fluoride intake are due to the added levels in drinking water. To get the kind of fluoride damage he showed in those pictures you would need a LOT more than what gets added to your water, but he conveniently omitted that bit of info, only to then plug his crap at the end of the bit.

Selling homoeopathic shit as a doctor ruins all credibility this guy had.

The funny thing about fluoride is that it's purported benefits are topical. So even if you (falsely) believe it reduces cavities, you'd be an even bigger moron to deliver it in a format that is ingested, like tap water. They put warning labels on toothpaste telling you not to do this, but not when it's in the water supply. Makes perfect sense, right? Who knows what bodily ailments this stuff is contributing to in our society.

Just because you can find an opponent of something who is trying to scam you afterwards doesn't mean they aren't right about the shit being bad for you. Plenty of good scientists and dentists who aren't homeopaths have been voicing their opposition to fluoridated water for years.

so it's better to be a dumbass dentist and ruin peoples teeth with flouridosis and feed poison to babies than to sell some homeopathic shit? rhetorical question.

Biography
Dr. Gerald Curatola graduated from Colgate University in 1979 and received his dental education from New York University College of Dentistry. After graduating in 1983, Dr. Curatola returned to join the teaching faculty in both the Division of Prosthodontic Science and Post-Graduate Department of Continuing Education from 1984-1995. Dr. Curatola also served on the hospital staffs of both New York University and Cabrini Medical Centers in New York City. As a researcher in dental materials and national lecturing clinician in the field of Restorative and Cosmetic Dentistry, Dr. Curatola has worked with many dental manufacturers including the Den-Mat, Kerr, Siemens, Brasseler, Colgate, and Oral-B Companies.

In a joint effort with the Jamaican Government and the Peace Corps, Dr. Curatola performed voluntary dentistry on the island of Jamaica, West Indies in 1982. He continued to volunteer his services to the Bowery Mission in New York City from 1985-1995. Since 1996, Dr. Curatola currently serves on the Board of Directors for the Pediatric Dental Fund of the Hamptons (PDF) whose mission is to provide voluntary dental services to indigent children on the East End of Long Island.

Dr. Curatola has maintained private dental practices in both Manhattan and East Hampton. In 1986, he established the Curatola Dental Group, a restorative and cosmetic dental practice in New York City. After settling his permanent residence in East Hampton, he founded East Hampton Dental Associates, a multi-specialty practice in 1999. Dr. Curatola continues to consult for several major dental corporations in the United States and Europe and lectures internationally on the techniques and benefits of new treatment modalities especially natural, therapeutic approaches to building dental health. He is Cofounder and Chairman of C.S.Bioscience, Inc., a dental biotech company which has developed and patented a nutritional- homeopathic oral care formula (NuPath TM Complexes).

Dr. Curatola has authored numerous articles on dentistry and health including a recent chapter on dental health for the book entitled, "Live Long, Look Young" by Lisa Trivell. Dr. Curatola is currently writing a book entitled "Smile for a Lifetime- An Integrative Look at the Role Your Dental Health Plays in Wellness and Longevity."

http://www.easthamptondental.com/curatola.htm

>> ^doogle:

Didn't see much squirming. Or any.


Agreed. I love the new salesmanship born of the infrawebs: oversell, oversell, oversell! Reality matters less than the fiction of the thing, so long as everyone keeps winking at each other.

Not directed at you, Ornthoron, since the YT title was the same.

are you suggesting there is a possibility that it can?

Load me up!
>> ^ponceleon:

>> ^doogle:
Didn't see much squirming. Or any.

Then again, she didn't quite make me confident in the idea that water can cure malaria...

>> ^doogle:

Didn't see much squirming. Or any.


Then again, she didn't quite make me confident in the idea that water can cure malaria...

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Big upvote from me. I recently watched a local news item about a women who lives near me had major fails on two of my bigger pet peeves. Rather than use the mainstream vaccinations she had her kids receive "homeopathic vaccinations"! And she even claimed that her kids were proof that they work because they hadn't had polio, pertussis, diphtheria or meningitis etc.

So then she refers ALL her patients to "real" doctors?

>> ^bareboards2:

I'm not sure what you mean, but I am 99.9999% sure it was meant to be sarcastic.
My best friend for the past 20 years is a homeopathic physician. I know for a fact she refers patients to "regular" doctors.
She is, as I originally said, a responsible alternative health practitioner.
So yeah. It happens.
And this vid is hysterically funny.
>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^bareboards2:
Responsible alternative health practitioners understand that there is a time for allopathic medicine.
And this is hysterical.

Yea: Always.

I'm not sure what you mean, but I am 99.9999% sure it was meant to be sarcastic.

My best friend for the past 20 years is a homeopathic physician. I know for a fact she refers patients to "regular" doctors.

She is, as I originally said, a responsible alternative health practitioner.

So yeah. It happens.

And this vid is hysterically funny.

>> ^rottenseed:

>> ^bareboards2:
Responsible alternative health practitioners understand that there is a time for allopathic medicine.
And this is hysterical.

Yea: Always.

This is my last comment on this video as it is getting old, but I just can't resist.

You want my definition of a rant? Ok, "to speak or declaim extravagantly or vehemently." As the point of your comment was to declaim James Randi, and you did it in a rather bombastic way, I stand by my statement.

Maybe I should also define something else you don't seem to understand:
monotone - a vocal utterance or series of speech sounds in one unvaried tone. Maybe you are tone-deaf, but Randi wasn't even close to monotone in this video. Monotone is how Ben Stein speaks - it tends to be pretty obvious.

Is Randi condescending? At times, but only to those who deserve our condescension. The purveyors of this shit deserve our complete derision.

Now, I would like to know how, from this one video, you decided that Randi believes that the only people at fault are the corporations. He has made a living teaching people to be skeptical and to question the paranormal and pseudo-scientific. He has made it clear that, while most of the fault lies in the dishonesty of the people who push the scams like homeopathy, applied kinesiology, psychic phenomena, etc., people need to be more skeptical and should resist these scammers.

This video was specifically produced to announce his new million dollar challenge to homeopathy manufacturers and his challenge to the sellers of homeopathic remedies so of course he talks more about corporations in this video.

Yes, boycotts would force these companies to stop selling this garbage but to bring that about you need publicity and a million dollar challenge is a good way to get that publicity. Though it would be even better, IMO, if our health and drug organizations (FDA etc.) didn't allow manufacturers to trick people into thinking water was medicine.

>> ^Lawdeedaw:

I could type a big response to your response...but it's so messed up I'm not even sure you read my response.
Btw, what is your definition of a rant? Mine is to ramble on over the same point without adding significant clarification (i.e. the clarification that I added.)
Here is the abridged version, since reading is not fun for you. Randi blames corporations because he is either ignorant or a suck-up, I blame the people using the medications and the corporations.
^Skeeve:
I could type a big response to your rant... but it's so messed up I'm not even sure you watched the same video.
>> ^Lawdeedaw:
>> ^Skeeve:
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Come on, every other homeopathy video and every other James Randi video is sifted. I figured this was a shoe in.

I voted for the video just now, but the Randi is monotone, condesending, and wrong in many areas--that may have something to do with the poor votes.
I don't disagree that the psedo medicine is fake--in fact I agree. However... "Its not just manafacturer's faults, but Walgreens, etc." Yeah, fuck face, its also the people who buy this shit at fault! Or the parents who trust this shit. But he won't blame the real problems, because that is unpopular, he blames the corporations because every one hates those! "Innocent people suffer." Well, what is the subjective meaning of "innocent?" If he means people who self inflict pain on themselves, he's right...if users boycotted this water shit, then the companies would go bankrupt! Boycotts are the consumer vote...
This feel-good idiot blame-monster is just like a politician... "Scapegoat time!" 'You have to protect yourself." Oh, he get's to that by the end Great science guy--bad philosophy. Maybe I am too anal, but then, I am tired of this "homopathetic displaced blame" water...

She didn't chose the locations, but she chose the room, the angle, the lighting, the composition of the shot. I'm sure there were much more flattering places especially to have that one woman than a long empty poorly-lit room. You don't get to be a television journalist without learning to compose a shot.>> ^Matthu:

>> ^messenger:
Another word about biased reporting: Shooting locations and backdrops are carefully chosen by journalists to give context to what the interviewees are saying. It was by design then that all the scientists were interviewed with equipment and charts and scientific machines and such behind them (to show their scientific backing), and the homeopathic people were interviewed in offices with blank drawers behind them, or in a completely empty room (their backing). Cheap shot. The content itself was enough to make a very damning report without all the trickery.
The only pro-homoeopathy interviewee who wasn't discredited with the camera shot alone was the mother, who the reporter chose not to ridicule as much, possibly because the audience might identify with her.

It's not her fault a homeopath works out of a sales office and scientists work out of labs. Although, I get your point, I just don't think she chose the locations for the interviews.

Wrong. That there is no original ingredient doesn't prove anything other than the contents of the bottle, which isn't part of the homoeopathic claim. Remember, homoeopathy doesn't say that the source ingredient does any curing. The stated theory is that the water somehow "remembers" something about the original ingredient, and that the memory of this ingredient in the water cures things. To prove that claim false, you need to do experiments that give reproducible results. Proving the original ingredient is gone disproves nothing about homoeopathy.

So, to answer your question, this reporter could have shown an interest in that kind of research, could have asked why it hadn't been done yet, as measuring the medicinal effects requires no sophisticated instruments. She could have pressed the point with Mr. Ontario Government why these things are being treated like medicine when they're just water and not scientifically tested for anything. This was just a hit job. She knows the product is fake, and that many people are going to get sick and die because of reliance on this crap, so she's angry. But still. This is journalism.>> ^Matthu:

>> ^messenger:
For such an opinionated journalist, she didn't make any scientific effort to prove that they don't work. That there's no active ingredient left is very, very compelling evidence against it, and I strongly doubt that homeopathic medicines have any effect at all, but none of this report proves that they don't work.

How could she as a journalist make any effort other than visiting scientists and talking with them? Should she have obtained a degree in chemistry? What else could she have done?
There being no active ingredient in the medicine doesn't need to prove they don't work, it proves flat out that they CAN'T work. Water doesn't cure cancer.