I forgot how much I hate videosift>> ^FlowersInHisHair:

>> ^transporter:
God, her play by play commentary is atrocious. This needs like a Mexican soccer announcer or those guys from the Danny Hart mountain-bike racing video.
Also, FUCK your son's Wii video game, tell the dispatcher he's got a crowbar. Favorite Part: "I'm sorry I can't calm down, I've just been robbed of everything!"

Yeah, it's as if she's all, like, scared or something. You'd never think that she comments on live home-invasion video feeds for a living, would you?

>> ^transporter:

God, her play by play commentary is atrocious. This needs like a Mexican soccer announcer or those guys from the Danny Hart mountain-bike racing video.
Also, FUCK your son's Wii video game, tell the dispatcher he's got a crowbar. Favorite Part: "I'm sorry I can't calm down, I've just been robbed of everything!"


Yeah, it's as if she's all, like, scared or something. You'd never think that she comments on live home-invasion video feeds for a living, would you?

I guess from now on she should just give up her career, buy a gun, and wait for the next time someone tries to burglarize her, 'cause nothin' says republican like paranoia and over-reaction. And, just so you know, they prefer to be called Democratic Americans now...
>> ^quantumushroom:

How sad that a camera had to greet these Democrats instead of a gun owner.

all you need for home invasion is a bump key

Yay! Now i can do that home invasion i've been planning

>> ^Sarzy:

>> ^JiggaJonson:
>> ^Sarzy:
Umm... I know we're supposed to automatically be outraged in cases like this, but if I have the story right, the man was pointing an AR-15 at the cops as they came through the door. Google that -- it's a pretty serious looking gun. Were the police supposed to wait until he started shooting at them and only then fire back? They had the siren going before they came in, they yelled something before they broke the door down, so what else were they supposed to do (other than not be there at all)?

What they were supposed to do, is try to get the man out of the house through some non-violent means.

So the fact that the man had an enormous assault rifle and was pointing it at the cops as they came in the door means nothing?
All I'm saying is that I don't think the cops who actually pulled the trigger are at fault here. Should they have even been there in the first place? Probably not. But that's not their call. Someone should be held accountable for this, but it's not those cops.


Sure they are. Why did they lie and say he fired at them first? Why did they seal the search warrant after the case starting getting publicity? Why were they ignorant to the fact of who lived at the house? Why wasn't Guerena's name on the search warrant if he was a suspect of criminal activity? Why is paramilitary police busting down his door and 4 or 5 others that day for marijuana? (Forget the fact they found NOTHING) Why did they have the urgency to bust down his door but then the "SWAT" team decides to clear the house with some sort of robot? Why did they deny paramedics access to Guerena for over an hour? Why did they change their story multiple times and now claim he was a suspect for home invasions?

You seem to be giving the cops a pass and blaming their superiors. I guess we should've applied that to those Third Reich officers that were only following orders too. The cops took an oath to uphold the constitution, so any abridgement of the 4th amendment rests squarely on their shoulders. And any law enforcement agency that makes excuses for it or tries to hide the truth about it is utterly corrupt. Honest and moral people are not going to carry out the orders of tyrants. If the people in charge are violating The Law, then the subordinates by default are going to be lawless thugs "just following orders".

The SWAT team had a ballistic shield, busted the door, and stood on the outside shooting in. Guerena may have a had a gun pointed at them but he never fired and still had the safety on. The SWAT team never clearly identified who they were, and just starting shooting. Even if this wasn't Guerena and it was a drug smuggler with a house full of drugs and money, what the SWAT team did is straight up murder and disregard for human rights.

I'd like to see the police as more part of the community. For there to be the same police persons assigned to the same areas day in day out on foot e.g. for most people who live in the area to see them once a week at least walking by or helping an old lady cross the road etc.
Get to know the people in your particular area - be able to relate and keep an eye on what is happening.
Build a good rapport with those who live in your designated area.
Join in with community events and show themselves to be one of the people who are able to let their hair down and have fun like everyone else.
Use common sense, if you found your son underaged trying drugs would you take him to jail or warn him and try to get him help? Extend that to those in your neighbourhood - if you find some other teenagers trying drugs, what would you do?

Hopefully this would improve the currently negative perceptions people hold of the police and for the police to understand the local citizens better, treating people with a bit of heart and empathy along with less of a chance of being so distant and the feeling of being "above" everyone else.
>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^blankfist:
It's good to see this representational government taking care of its poor once again. Funny how you never hear of the home invasions for the rich, but the poor are all over the nightly news having their dogs shot and them shot as well.
And your solution to police brutality is...?

>> ^blankfist:

It's good to see this representational government taking care of its poor once again. Funny how you never hear of the home invasions for the rich, but the poor are all over the nightly news having their dogs shot and them shot as well.
Haha. Way to go statist idiots.


Home invasions???
A woman called 911 to report domestic violence on the part of her son

Sounds like the police were there at the request of the 'poor'.

It's also pretty telling you want to paint ALL cops as being like the suspected murderer here. Meanwhile the majority of the police and law enforcement, the partner included, are busy arresting and prosecuting the bad(soon to be former) cop.

We 'statists' have never argued that police are perfect, merely that the majority would act against those bad apples that would abuse their power. Here it is, proven out in tragic reality.

>> ^blankfist:

It's good to see this representational government taking care of its poor once again. Funny how you never hear of the home invasions for the rich, but the poor are all over the nightly news having their dogs shot and them shot as well.

And your solution to police brutality is...?

It's good to see this representational government taking care of its poor once again. Funny how you never hear of the home invasions for the rich, but the poor are all over the nightly news having their dogs shot and them shot as well.

Haha. Way to go statist idiots.

Speaking to the Law, respectfully, there is no Law.

In the states with Castle Doctrine laws, it is indeed varied. In Texas, deadly force maybe used against one having forced entry into or using force to attempt to enter a dwelling or place of business. Refer to the video. Here, it could have been tragically different in outcome. In fact, my response was to the gentleman poster's representation of similar activities as great fun.

In Texas, one may use deadly force, at night, in instances of vandalism and theft as well.

Other jurisdictions have eschewed Castle Doctrine so as not to limit the scope of actions that one may take to protect themselves and their properties. Others, otherwise. I am not seeking to enter into a philosophical discussion about such, but merely to address the inherent dangers of certain perceived fun.

Personally speaking, I live in a nice neighborhood with largely retired professionals and upper middle class with young professionals moving in. That said, I can stand on my front porch and see the site of a home invasion that nearly cost the life of an ex-judge, a house broken into three times with the occupant home each time and assaulted(elderly female), a daylight armed robbery of an individual watering a lawn, I could continue.... I witnessed three teens kicking a door of and elderly neighbor, pursued and detained them three weeks ago. I managed to get their home address and escorted them there and confronted their parents without having to call the police. The neighbor was approaching the door when I scared them off and would have opened fire if they had been successful. Her neighbor's house was burgled Sunday afternoon the following week.

I apologize if too much.

Why do you vaccinate? Why use a condom? Why carry a tazer, or gun? Why walk in well lit very populated areas?

Once when I was younger I took a flu shot, and then a while later I got sick; you guessed it with the flu. I don't like the idea that "you where probably going to get sick anyway" because it is a stupid argument thrown out there with little explanation. I was already sick with flu before I had gotten the shot; but not showing symptoms. Which means that my getting sick was a coincidence but when I was younger I fell for the logical fallacy. At the time in my mind it was the vaccine that caused sickness.

Do I expect the vaccination to protect me 100%? Do I expect my house Alarm to keep me from being robbed or protect me from home invasion? No, but it can help protect me.

I deal with this stuff at work in a different sort of system. How do you protect your network from intrusion? By running a firewall, using a NIDS (Like snort), logging at the gateway, and running up to date anti-virus.

Does that save you from attack? No, which I frustratingly know. Even with all of the protections in the world it can't guarantee safety. It only lessens the likelihood of attack or infection.

The best method of security is prevention. Get Vaccinated.

http://coldflu.about.com/od/fluvaccinequestions/f/illafterflushot.htm

There's rude, and then there's preventing an officer from fulfilling his duty. If an officer is called out for a home invasion call, and can't report back to the dispatcher (for whatever reason), that is a serious problem. When the reason is someone screaming questions (especially questions that have been answered more than once), there's a definite reason to take some sort of action.

As far as I can see, Gates would seem to have a huge chip on his shoulder (perhaps not without -some- justification), and immediately jumped to the conclusion that this was a racial issue. Gates has something of a history of making these sorts of claims, while Crowley has a history of working -against- racism and racial profiling. It's hardly a cut-and-dried situation...and Maher's not helping a damned thing by rushing to judgment.

I want to let the independent commission do it's job. If it is truly independent, and they actually base their decision on the facts and not race politics, the truth will bubble to the surface. From the evidence I have seen (not hearsay or opinion), the actions the police took were justified and according to protocol.

The previous weeks in Cambridge involved multiple home invasions in that area. During the day. Front door busted in. The police were on high alert, and reacted accordingly to a 911 emergency call to investigate a potential invasion/burglary in progress.

Mr Gates should take care not bite the hands that protect him, his home, and his community. Should he really need their help in the future, he wouldn't want them to be hesitant or second guess their actions in a dire situation where mere moments could mean life or death.

Police have reasonable doubt when approaching any emergency situation. Cooperate, be cordial, answer any questions asked clearly and accurately, and their defensive posture to protect THEMSELVES will diminish. Verbally assault them and refuse to immediately fork over identification or cooperate in a cordial manner. You are going to jail. Who cares how rich or famous you are.

I'm sorry to say, but all evidence points to a race/class card being played. This is going to hurt Prof Gate's credibility here on out for certain. Time will tell where this leads, though it won't be the first time where someone slipped through the law's fingers as a result of the race/celebrity card being played...or have we forgotten OJ already? At least bad karma caught up with that guy. Sure this isn't murder, but it once again proves that money, name, and 'friends' in high places makes one immune to the laws that the rest of us are required to abide by.

FYI I am a local resident, know the area well, and understand the crime situation. Bank Robberies, burglaries and other crimes are on the rise with the bad economy. A lot of people are hurting, and some people are desperate and take measures they should not.

Gates is well advised to be quiet, let the commission investigate, and stay out of the lime light. Let the system work. Though he likely wants some press attention to get his books some direly needed plugs.

I now see this game in a different light. It looks like Michael just performed a home invasion; this being the reason why the kids are hiding in closets or openly weeping on the floor.

The other guys are the kids' family trying to protect them from the intruder.

You'll notice whenever Michael approaches a child they scream his name and flee.