>> ^dag:
^Yes, how dare anyone question the all-knowing oracles of medical knowledge.
I think the reason that many geeky type people always toe the main-stream medical line is because they conflate medicine with science (which we all love). Yes, it's almost the same, but if I had to draw it as a venn diagram, there would be a crescent of over-hang. Medicine to me is 80% science and then the rest is filled in with dogma, patriarchy and business ($$).
That crescent of non-science is the part that makes me squirm. I don't think it's that wrong to question medical programs like vaccinations- with the idea that it may be being pushed non-scientifically by the medical industrial complex. (big pharma).

I'm with you, Dag, on most of those points. Questioning things is what makes someone a skeptic to begin with, and you could apply that Venn Diagram to almost any (if not all) avenues of science. Scientists need funding, and not all are unbiased in their pursuit of knowledge. Please, question "the all-knowing oracles of medical knowledge" until you're blue in the face, but make sure that when you're done you've seen, understood, and accepted the evidence and the facts. Not testimonials and anecdotes. Maher did bring up that Frist used an anecdote, however I'm confident Maher fails to realize that the entire "alternative medicine" movement is based on anecdotes and the placebo effect.


Bill Maher is not a kook.


^And there is where we disagree on the subject of medicine and Mr. Maher. He is plainly a kook when it comes to such a serious subject as this, because he employs the exact same tactics as those religious kooks he fights against. If I could send him an amazing book I own called "Snake Oil Science: The Truth About Complementary and Alternative Medicine" what do you think the chances are he'd read it? And if he defied logic and actually read it, would his mindset allow him to see the truth, based on research and evidence into these sorts of things?

He reminds me of my mother. She's not "spiritual", but she believes almost entirely in "alternative treatments". She once argued with me to get off of my insulin treatment for Diabetes and seek an Acupuncture and more "natural" route to cure it. I calmly told her to look into these things from unbiased sources.

I lent her that book.

She threw it at me.

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Yeah, I suppose I was trying to say that. The professional/practice component is where the dogma, patriarchy and business surface - and for me at least brings medicine out of the pure science realm into something else. We aren't cowed into carrying umbrellas at monthly check-ups with meteorologists.

In reply to this comment by longde:
Re: 20% dogma, patriarchy, and business. You could say the same for the pure sciences. To me, medicine is as much a science as physics and biology, with the difference that there is a professional/practice component that isn't there with the 'pure' sciences.

In reply to this comment by dag:
^Yes, how dare anyone question the all-knowing oracles of medical knowledge.

I think the reason that many geeky type people always toe the main-stream medical line is because they conflate medicine with science (which we all love). Yes, it's almost the same, but if I had to draw it as a venn diagram, there would be a crescent of over-hang. Medicine to me is 80% science and then the rest is filled in with dogma, patriarchy and business ($$).

That crescent of non-science is the part that makes me squirm. I don't think it's that wrong to question medical programs like vaccinations- with the idea that it may be being pushed non-scientifically by the medical industrial complex. (big pharma).

Bill Maher is not a kook.

Re: 20% dogma, patriarchy, and business. You could say the same for the pure sciences. To me, medicine is as much a science as physics and biology, with the difference that there is a professional/practice component that isn't there with the 'pure' sciences.

In reply to this comment by dag:
^Yes, how dare anyone question the all-knowing oracles of medical knowledge.

I think the reason that many geeky type people always toe the main-stream medical line is because they conflate medicine with science (which we all love). Yes, it's almost the same, but if I had to draw it as a venn diagram, there would be a crescent of over-hang. Medicine to me is 80% science and then the rest is filled in with dogma, patriarchy and business ($$).

That crescent of non-science is the part that makes me squirm. I don't think it's that wrong to question medical programs like vaccinations- with the idea that it may be being pushed non-scientifically by the medical industrial complex. (big pharma).

Bill Maher is not a kook.

>> ^Crosswords:
Where's the clip of Bill Maher bitching that all we do is treat symptoms in this country and not engage in preventative medicine? I like Bill Maher, but what a hypocrite, it was like shades of Rush Limbaugh there complete with a ventriloquism act involving his ass. Way to pseudo science there Bill.


How is it hypocritical to say we treat symptoms as they pop up rather than care too much about public health as a whole. I don't see how that can be interpreted as a hypocritical statement, unless he himself can be proven to only treat symptoms or something.

Frist is absolutely correct on Vaccines. People who reject the notion of medicine in favor of "alternative medicine" are never doctors, just idiots.

*quality

Wow Douche Bag blowhard telling a doctor about medicine...

In case you do not know who Bill Frist is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Frist


People really watch this douch bag? Why does he not let the man finishing speaking? Bill Mahar flaps his lips over and over again, but keeps interrupting the Bill Frist.

This idiot tells Bill Frist that they disagree... Like Bill Frist give a shit what this TV monkey thinks about?

Man, it really hurts to agree with Frist. But Maher truly is a nutcase on this issue. It's more than a little disheartening to see his hypocrisy when it comes to rationality.

Maher was an idiot in this episode when he started one of his anti-vaccination rants in his intrview with Bill Frist. And I found myself in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with Bill Frist. Maher knows nothing about vaccines or modern medicine in general.

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frist!

Yes, because the president doesn't have an entire cabinet of people to which he consorts with on a daily basis at minimum. Larry goes light on everyone all the time every show. I don't think I have ever seen him even try to take a cut at someone. I want to find that clip where even Jerry Seinfeld rips into him; it is great. I will make it my frist sift if it isn't already sifted.


Edit: Its been sifted here

http://www.videosift.com/video/Larry-Kings-Worst-Interview-Question

It hurts everytime I watch it. Even when Jerry goes for the kill he just sits there and takes it. In someways its nice to take your chops, but Larry is always super type b even when people have it coming to them.

>> ^Kuga:
"Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteers are at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe."
^ That's probably why both the title of the vid and the actual spelling error on the screen were missed by people.


I intentionally spelled Education that way in the title. It was actually hard typing it that way, I had to concentrate to make sure I spelled it incorrectly (of course it's easy to fat finger something and not notice).

>> ^Kuga:
"Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteers are at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe."
^ That's probably why both the title of the vid and the actual spelling error on the screen were missed by people.


Hehe, that's a neat psycholinguistic trick. And yeah, I feel bad for the guy who had to type the title. I think we've all gotten ahead of ourselves in typing and transposed letters at one time or aonther.

"Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteers are at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe."

^ That's probably why both the title of the vid and the actual spelling error on the screen were missed by people.

Frist? What's the date of this news report? Did it really go through and stick the landing?

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