@gorillaman

Why would we need to quintuple resources by 2100 if population is only forecast to grow 50%? There is no shortage of potential arable land and more would be made room for if food prices were to rise (bringing them back down).

As I said before, I'm not debating environmental damage and climate change need to be addressed. But you address it directly, you don't attempt to reduce the world population to <1Bn ... somehow, like you propose.

No, corporations primarily do cause environmental harm, particularly climate change:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/nov/20/90-companies-man-made-global-warming-emissions-climate-change

That's why changing their incentives directly through taxes or emission schemes is the best approach. I would almost say that attempting to reduce your carbon footprint at a individual level is an exercise in self masturbatory indulgence, which while gratifying is completely insignificant. It's the by-products of all the everyday products that you consume during the industrial process that create the vast majority or pollutants.

3rd paragraph - I've already addressed everything there several times here. You simply are not acknowledging the facts:

http://priceofoil.org/2013/11/26/new-analysis-shows-growing-fossil-reserves-shrinking-carbon-budget/
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/interactive/2013/nov/26/why-fossil-fuel-reserves-growing-oil-carbon

Does our current reliance on carbon based energy precipitate environmental issues with regards to global warming in the future? Obviously, but an international agreement on raising the cost of it, to reduce our reliance on it, is more likely than an agreement on enforced family size limits.

Fair enough Dag

...sucks now I can't deliver p-ponts to alla y'all that are either used to the stroke, or never expecting the surprise...My advice to all y'all lazy motherfuckers that just sit on yer power-points and never do anything with em?? Make someone happy today and worry about whether or not some dumb-ass bullshit belongs up on the front page just because you wanna pop-spit or promote your OWN videos (which I think is completely retarded, unless it's to promote some hella good shit, which most of you self-promoting motherfuckers's shit, ISN'T!?? DUH??)

Oh and Dag?? Fuck a buncha blaming the time zone or not copping to the real-deal timing IS after all, everythhing...I'm no fucking idiot. I KNOW there's a buncha whiny mother fucks, crawling up the sift's ass to burn me, all you poser fucks can fuck the fuck the fuck off and go back to sleep.

You know who you are....Suck my balls and gently carress the taint, rimjobs after I've had some schwarma and spanakopita and sag panneer, motherfuckers. You ACTUAL haters know exactly who and what you are and can't see yourself for the douche in your veins.

Ok. Got all that out. Back to shitting-on-bullshit when it screams, to the consternation of all haters everywhere.

Too bad for all those dead Kronospissant videos I can never fix to help alleviate the carbon-fucking-footprint that coal-burner left behind....because the arbitrary rules here suck donkey-dick!!

(It's no great mystery as to why this site was never able to make any fucking money...self-destructive, narcissistic circle-jerk of doom)

It shouldn't be a surprise that Bill Maher's brain doesn't work right as there's plenty of evidence out there.

And this can be stopped; the storage of the data is a massive effort that can be shut down if there is enough political will. The physical footprint of the storage mechanism costly to run and impossible to hide.

Time to do more than type.

Least we forget 911, you'll recall that the headquarters for the Securities and Exchange commission was conveniently eliminated before the hi-jacking of everyone's money when WTC 7 collapsed into it's own footprint at free-fall speed, not unlike the world's economy is doing now.

Strange video. I left Norton for McAfee when Norton became a bloated mess that took over your whole computer, then left McAfee for NOD32 for the same reason. Several AV's later (AVG, F-Secure, Kaspersky), I'm using Avira. So far... works well, low memory footprint, don't need to disable it for anything to work correctly, doesn't bog the system down at all. If Avira wants to lose me as a customer, all they have to do is start pushing a "security suite", which they offer, but I'm not interested. It probably goes back to my DOS days, but I dislike giving control of my computer to third-party software. And you can suck your "cloud". No thank you.

Stop whining and pay your bills! Carbon bill just came, deal with your footprint! The oxygen bill is past due, better hold yer fucking breath.....And look out!! There's a new tax: Since YOU killed most of the honey bees and are responsible for about 200 species disappearing forever every second... well, yer gonna have to pay for that, too....Sorry!

Save those tears baby, bottled water is $7.99 a pint, you fucked that up too!!

The good news is it's ecological footprint is a Christmas tree light.

You know what, I dont even care what is in their meat and I am not surprised that they create deceptive marketing campaigns lie this. Even though McDs is bad for the world and environment Ill go there every now and again and get my Franken burger AND ENJOY IT IMMENSELY. I accept whatever weird mutation of a burger and a fry that they have for what it is. If I wanted a real burger I would have gotten a real burger at a real burger restaurant, or shit, made one myself with organic beef or just spent twenty minutes driving to In and Out for a better fast food shit burger... but McDs burgers arent as bad as people make it out to be, its their footprint on the environment that is terrible. But, those burgers are rife with unbeef, know what Im saying?

The problem with that claim is that the animosity goes back well before Pacepa's time. We overthrew the elected government of Iran in 1953, because they were threatening oil company profits. By 1967, the KGB was doing very little except throwing gasoline on a fire we'd already started and built up to four alarm status. It's not reasonable to try and put the blame on the KGB...it clearly belongs on our own government agencies, which have proven over and over again to be extremely shortsighted and unwilling to accept any ethical boundaries.
>> ^shinyblurry:

>> ^Stormsinger:
>> ^shinyblurry:
@enoch, the origin of the animosity towards Americans has its source in a KGB program designed to exploit the deeply ingrained anti-semitism in the middle east and turn it towards the US. They sent, hired, bought off hundreds or even thousands of agents in the middle east to spread the idea around that America is a zionist regime controlled by the jews. That's why you have Arab leaders saying things like this:
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p://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/ahmadinejad-american-people-lack-freedom-of-choice-it-is-the-zionists-that-decide-who-will-become-th.html
Yes I believe the corporation control the media, and the elites control the corporations, but who controls the elites? When you talk about a conspiracy, I know the actual conspiracy because the bible details it all: Satan is the ruler of this world and in the last days he is going to establish a one world government, one world economy and one world religion all centered around the antichrist. The elites you're talking about are all globalists trying to establish this very thing. Today you can see bible prophecy unfolding before your very eyes. So, I don't trust the media to report the truth as such and I certainly don't rely on it as my primary source of information about what is going on in the world.
>> ^enoch:
@shinyblurry do not get caught in the trap my friend.do not rely on corporate "news" to enlighten you concerning the situation in the middle east nor the origins of the anymosity towards america.truth does not suit their purposes in controlling your opinion

Alright! Who stole shiny's meds this time?

hehe
I know how it sounds, but this information comes from the highest ranking intelligence official ever to defect to the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Mihai_Pacepa
The CIA apparently put him to good use so I think his testimony is trustworthy. You can read what he said about it here:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/218533/russian-footpr
ints/ion-mihai-pacepa#

>> ^Stormsinger:

>> ^shinyblurry:
@enoch, the origin of the animosity towards Americans has its source in a KGB program designed to exploit the deeply ingrained anti-semitism in the middle east and turn it towards the US. They sent, hired, bought off hundreds or even thousands of agents in the middle east to spread the idea around that America is a zionist regime controlled by the jews. That's why you have Arab leaders saying things like this:
htt

p://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/ahmadinejad-american-people-lack-freedom-of-choice-it-is-the-zionists-that-decide-who-will-become-th.html
Yes I believe the corporation control the media, and the elites control the corporations, but who controls the elites? When you talk about a conspiracy, I know the actual conspiracy because the bible details it all: Satan is the ruler of this world and in the last days he is going to establish a one world government, one world economy and one world religion all centered around the antichrist. The elites you're talking about are all globalists trying to establish this very thing. Today you can see bible prophecy unfolding before your very eyes. So, I don't trust the media to report the truth as such and I certainly don't rely on it as my primary source of information about what is going on in the world.
>> ^enoch:
@shinyblurry do not get caught in the trap my friend.do not rely on corporate "news" to enlighten you concerning the situation in the middle east nor the origins of the anymosity towards america.truth does not suit their purposes in controlling your opinion

Alright! Who stole shiny's meds this time?


hehe

I know how it sounds, but this information comes from the highest ranking intelligence official ever to defect to the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Mihai_Pacepa

The CIA apparently put him to good use so I think his testimony is trustworthy. You can read what he said about it here:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/218533/russian-footprints/ion-mihai-pacepa#

Also, the claim about CO emission might be correct if you consider the entire life-cycle of getting the fuel to the stove. The gas needed to be extracted, likely purified through a process requiring energy, somehow packaged in materials requiring energy to create and at pressure which would require further energy. Then it needs to be distributed as well. The sticks you just pick up, and before they fell they had a negative carbon footprint.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'Doug Stanhope, abortion, newswipe, carbon footprint, prius, douchebag' to 'Doug Stanhope, abortion, newswipe, carbon footprint, prius, voice of america' - edited by xxovercastxx

Also was interested in seeing it on a slope... probably need to go to seated position and 'tack' through slopes carefully so as not to tip. Maybe an indoor/outdoor unit like the one shown with a small footprint, and an outdoor unit with a larger footprint and bigger wheels.

As for stairs? yeah... maybe some big continuous tracks like a tank...

>> ^TheGenk:

That's nice, but what do you do when you encounter slopes or stairs?

This response proves you didn't even read the page that you are using to "debunk" the video. It doesn't address this video. This page, which contains one paragraph and a broken link to a video, is the one addressing it:

http://www.vhemt.org/pop101-3.htm

Again, you present yourself as the voice of chicken little, as your perpetrate another myth upon the overpopulation myth, which is the myth of peak oil. We are not in danger of running out of oil anytime soon; in fact, because of new technology and methods, such as the fracking boom, our domestic energy production is expected to rise significantly.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-01/fracking-boom-could-finally-cap-myth-of-peak-oil-peter-orszag.html

Since 1976 our proven oil reserves are double from where they started, and new reserves are being found continuously:

http://en.mercopress.com/2010/10/25/petrobras-confirms-tupi-field-could-hold-8-billion-barrels

http://www.albawaba.com/iran-discovers-huge-oil-field-report-415465

There is also evidence that oil fields are refilling:

http://www.rense.com/general63/refil.htm

The fact is that there is an oil boom in the western hemisphere:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/world/americas/recent-discoveries-put-americas-back-in-oil-companies-sights.html

The coal oil sands in Canada alone are estimated to hold 175 billion barrels of oil. What I find interesting hpqp, as you do another hit and run, is that you have all the faith in the world that science will solve all of our problems, except when it comes to your favorite doomsday hypothesis.

As I have already proven, we produce more than enough food to feed everyone. The problem is in the inequity of man and in the inefficient and wasteful distribution. We lose over 1/3 of the food we produce to waste. We have more than enough fuel to supply our agriculture, and the research shows that having smaller and more energy efficient farms will increase yields even further, and not significantly impact biodiversity.


>> ^hpqp:
>> ^shinyblurry:
You call one paragraph and a video that doesn't exist debunking this? Let's examine the paragraph:
"Together the world’s 6.8 billion people use land equal in size to South America to grow food and raise livestock—an astounding agricultural footprint. And demographers predict the planet will host 9.5 billion people by 2050. Because each of us requires a minimum of 1,500 calories a day, civilization will have to cultivate another Brazil’s worth of land—2.1 billion acres—if farming continues to be practiced as it is today. That much new, arable earth simply does not exist."
http://www.vhemt.org/pop101-3.htm
Did you miss when it said in the video that we're growing more food on less land, and that there are techniques which can turn barren land fertile, such has been practiced in Brazil and Thailand? Farming is going to continue as it does today; more yield per acre, and more barren land turned fertile, and it will continue to outstrip population growth. You've debunked nothing; you have no argument at all. I doubt you even read the page.
http://www.fas.usda.gov/grain/circular/2004/10-04/hist_tbl.xls
efficiency statistics
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/science/02tropic.html?_r=2
Scientists Are Making Brazil’s Savannah Bloom
>> ^hpqp:
Debunking the lies, nonsense and misinformation of this video: http://www.vhemt.org/pop101-1.htm
I disagree with the vhemt's core ideology (I do not want the human race to go extinct), but this page does a good job of exposing this crap.
If you want some real math, watch this series: http://youtu.be/F-QA2rkpBSY


The first page I linked to has no video, so I don't know what you're on about with that (my 2nd link, the youtube one, definitely works), but it has much more than "one paragraph" (not that that matters) showing the manipulation and misrepresentation in your video. As for "growing more food on less land", two words: oil and biodiversity. Without going into details, most (if not all) modern agriculture is heavily dependent on fossil fuels, a dwindling, non-renewable resource (fertilization, transport, etc.). The article you link to indirectly makes my second point: with the disappearance of fossil fuels, people are turning to biofuels (e.g. palm oil, mentioned in your article) which destroy biodiversity and cause several other issues ). Meanwhile, the soybeans and beef production (the one to feed the other btw) cause a large amount of ecological damage.
That's the last I'm answering to you (although it's more for the benefit of other readers, since I know how you are with the facts of reality).