>> ^Mcboinkens:

>> ^shadownc:
A little more info. Interesting that they share all the fish and then divide them.
http://reportage.co.uk/features/antogo-the-sacred-dogon-fishing-ritual/



I wouldn't believe that. Why hold a FFA that is clearly competitive just to split it up? I have a feeling a few may share but a lot probably don't.

Also, I'm not sure if this is stated anywhere but I am pretty sure they do this so that the fish aren't wasted once the "lake" dries up. Pretty good idea, really.


1. It's exciting and fun. 2. There's bragging rights in catching the most fish to hand over to the elder, even if you don't get to om'nom every fishy yourself.

>> ^honkeytonk73:
You can bet they have more bibles than food. Thanks to the missionaries.


And just what do you think they use as fuel to cook the fish?

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Brilliant!!! >> ^honkeytonk73:

You can bet they have more bibles than food. Thanks to the missionaries.

I wish I could upvote this a thousand times. I laughed hysterically for a solid minute.

In reply to this comment by gwiz665:
Doesn't someone have the common decency to build a McDonalds down there??

Fisheries policy, like the agricultural policy, is all about individual countries trying to protect the jobs of their people. Too many short term politicians pandering to their electorate result in too many short term decisions against the long term sustainability of our fisheries, which we're really going to need come 2050 when the world population hits 9 billion.

Fishermen are still behaving like hunters roaming further and further afield when they can't find fish locally, instead of acting like responsible farmers who have to protect their land if they want it to continue producing food. Except that irresponsible farmers are over-using fertilizers and herb/pesticides which are washing off into the ocean, some of which act like fish hormones decreasing their ability to reproduce, and others create oxygen depleted algal blooms in which fish can't live.

Sometimes I wish I had an orbital ion cannon and a C&C interface to the world. Then we'd see who makes stupid decisions on my watch...

So he asks us to feel sorry for out of work fishermen then attacks them for Over fishing?

There's more than one video floating around on this site talking about what the Exxon spill did to animals and people alike. What is said in this video is very similar to those, and all of them are from different people that I've seen. I think it's more likely that government is full of shit in anything they do to downplay it versus what these individuals are saying that are in the medical field and have been studying it trying to cure people since Exxon.

Because we already know that government and oil have not invested in new methods to clean up oil spills, so it's very unlikely they would also invest money into research on what exposure does to people during and after clean up from the Exxon.

If this oil leak is not taken of when they estimate it will be which from what I've read is late July and August for the relief wells to come online. If it keeps spilling out even with the additional wells, I don't see how anyone in this part of the world will be safe from it's effects given weather patterns and ocean currents. I saw on Craig Fergeson they had I believe his name is Jean Cousteau, son of Jacques Cousteau, who was talking about how the oil in the gulf would begin appearing in England due to the water currents and how saturated the water column is because of the disperants.

Lots of very disturbing videos out there regarding what the oil spill has done already. People on the water who were vomiting over the side because the fumes from the water was cutting off the oxygen and causing nausea. Fish so disoriented they were swimming into boats, swimming on their sides and upside down with their mouths sticking out of the water trying to breath. No sightings of dolphins in Florida for a long while, so they are either dead, dieing, or left the area. Kids breaking out in rashes who mysteriously recover shortly after leaving the areas in proximity to tainted zones. Fishermen who are aiding in the clean up, coming down with upper respiratory problems, going to their doctors and being told their lungs look like they've been smoking 3 packs a day when they are in fact non-smokers.

The same responders who at 911 telling people they should wear respirators for the clean up, who say that firemen who refused to wear them in 911 rescues came down with "the crud" from exposure to toxins. They say every person helping clean up the oil spill is offered a respirator, but BP took over distribution of them. And they won't allow people to have respirators without proper training in how to use them, which they will provide. But they won't begin the training until they feel people need the respirators. So you have the right to a respirator, they will give you one when you are trained, but they won't provide training until you need one. Makes perfect sense, like everything else associated with the handling of this.

Crops are diseased and dieing already from just the rain carrying the chemicals used to "clean up" the oil spill. I can't imagine that people out on the water aren't already severely exposed to these same chemicals if it can travel via water evaporation into the clouds to come down as rain...it has to be in the air for them all.

From other sources, they call exposure in Exxon and 911 "the crud" or "The Exxon crud". And people exposed to it have it for the rest of their life and eventually die because of it. I could see people in 911 being exposed just because it was a fast response situation and people were trying to do the right thing in a very short period of time. But there is no excuse for what is happening now, especially with the Exxon spill being there as evidence and proof of what can and will happen to people exposed to the oil and the chemicals used in it's clean up. A disaster caused by BP for money/time saving measures is one thing, but then allowing people trying to help contain a problem they had nothing to do with but bear all of the consequences of it to become ill and probably die from their efforts to help....that's something that can not stand.

>> ^demon_ix:

I went fishing with some friends a few months ago. Didn't catch anything, but one of the fishermen nearby gave us a fish out of sympathy. We kept fishing for a couple of hours after that, and the fish was wiggling in the bag for the whole time.
After we were done, we figured it was dead for sure. We grabbed the bag, and he started wiggling like mad again. We got back, put it in the trunk and drove home. After about 45 minute of a drive, we got there, opened the trunk, and it was still wiggling.
We went upstairs and started debating on the best way to end it's life. 30 minutes of bashing it against marble didn't stop it's wiggling. At some point my friend just said screw it, and gutted / skinned it while it was still moving.
It was certainly one of the weirdest things I can remember.


So for like, 5 hours, you thought it was still alive and didn't do anything, and then when you finally got uncomfortable, you decided to bludgeon it against marble for half an hour straight?

Jackass . Poor fish!

I went fishing with some friends a few months ago. Didn't catch anything, but one of the fishermen nearby gave us a fish out of sympathy. We kept fishing for a couple of hours after that, and the fish was wiggling in the bag for the whole time.

After we were done, we figured it was dead for sure. We grabbed the bag, and he started wiggling like mad again. We got back, put it in the trunk and drove home. After about 45 minute of a drive, we got there, opened the trunk, and it was still wiggling.

We went upstairs and started debating on the best way to end it's life. 30 minutes of bashing it against marble didn't stop it's wiggling. At some point my friend just said screw it, and gutted / skinned it while it was still moving.

It was certainly one of the weirdest things I can remember.

Video that follows this one is even worse. Guy goes to doctor and the doctor tells him his lungs look like he's been smoking 3 packs a day, and the dude has never smoked. All because he used his fishing boat to help with the clean up.

I guess BP looks at it like, if they can kill off the fishermen before the trials for reimbursement begins...they win.

Has there been an official statement from anyone in government or BP talking about how bad this shit is for people? It'd be a shame to find out after all of the clean up crews and people living there have had lethal doses of this stuff and are forced to wait it out as their bodies shutdown over the next 10 and 15 years.

Then he could have easily said " There's no one that wants to get this all sorted out more than I do."

But no, he said he wanted his life back. What do you think his life consisted of before this?

1. Caring compassionately for sensitive ecosystems and the families of impoverished fishermen?

2. Makin' money.. insulated from any blemish or fuck off he is directly responsible for as CEO.

..and possibly maybe giving a lecture or two on how to boost BPs image with "green" branding

"The fishermen are basically working for free."

Aww poor Japanese fishermen have to take a break from stripping the oceans bare to remove some jellyfish.

No sympathy here, I hope they all fall in. Let nature have a chance at revenge for a change.

Do you mean Malibu inlet, up the north end of Princess Louisa inlet? No, I've never been that far up that way. I was born in Powell River, and have spent many happy summers in the area of the Sunshine Coast however. Nice part of the world, and I've always planned to retire there- or maybe as far north as Ocean Falls. Come visit me in 25 years or so!

In reply to this comment by silvercord:
If that happened to me, the Environmental Protection Agency would have had me arrested for fouling the waters with my own waste. I envy your experience. Love Vancouver. Have you ever been north to Malibu?



In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
The croc was pretty cool. I might have upvoted if he'd succeeded in stealing dinner from those jerks .

I'm reminded of a story from a few years back. I live in Vancouver and have spent a lot of time out on the local waters and have experienced Killer whales close up on several occasions- once when out alone in a small 12 foot Laser sailing dinghy I was surrounded by a pod of a dozen or so VERY large whales- a little intimidating to be surrounded by those predators who are much bigger than me and the tiny boat I'm sitting in with my butt less then 3 inches from the water. They circled me several times, jumping and spy-hopping to check me out. One of the coolest experiences of my life. But I digress.

There had never been an attack by Killer whales in our waters on a boat or a person, until about 6 or 8 years ago. There was a graddad and grandson out salmon fishing in a small aluminum boat in the waters between Victoria and Vancouver. The grandson hooked a big Chinook and was reeling it in when a Killer whale, who was part of a pod in the area that was feeding on the salmon, decided he wanted that salmon that the kid had hooked. The whale nipped at the fish, taking about half of it off with a little bite, but the kid wasn't about to give in to the whale. He reeled in as quick as he could, the whole while with the whale trying to take the fish.

The kid actually managed to land the salmon, pissing off the whale in the process. The whale banged against the boat several times, nearly upsetting the little craft. Eventually he went away, I presume sulking the whole time.

I dunno, I think I would have let him have the fish.



In reply to this comment by silvercord:
No problems. People are barbaric. This was an example of that, I suppose. I was more interested in the brave croc that decided to stand up to all five of 'em to try and get a meal.

Thanks for the explanation, Blankman.



In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
Looking at my own comment on your video, I thought I was a bit harsh. Sorry about that, but it really made me angry watching this video and seeing a bunch of fat, rich, ignorant, over-priveleged jerks proving their "bravery" by killing a beautiful animal like that shark. It's exactly this BS that has driven all the great top predators of the world- lions, tigers, wolves and now sharks to the brink of, and sometimes past, extinction.

I might not have been so angry if I hadn't watched the documentary "Shark Water" a few days ago.

In reply to this comment by silvercord:
From Liveleak:

The video, posted last month by the Cape Don Barramundi fishing lodge in the Northern Territory, records an epic angling saga that pitched man against shark, shark against shark, crocodile against shark and, eventually, man against crocodile.

All appears to be going well when the clip begins, with one of the party land More..ing a fair-sized shark as he fishes off the side of a yacht. Things become more exciting when another shark swims in for an easy lunch, prompting the cameraman to note: "Oh! Another shark's attacking him!"

The valiant angler labours on, and before long the greedy interloper disappears and the thrashing shark is dragged on to the beach with the help of a boathook. But the triumph is short-lived. Within seconds the dark green outline of a saltwater crocodile appears at the water's edge and the reptile dashes on to the beach to make a grab for the shark.

Disaster is averted only by the swift intervention of another member of the fishing party, who leaps towards the thief and delivers a warning blow to its snout with the boathook. Suitably chastised, the croc turns tail and swims off.

The video ends with the slightly shaken group posing for a photo around the unfortunate shark. The man who landed it seems a little distracted and has to be reminded there is a protocol for such occasions. "You've got to do the old put-a-foot-on-its-head thing," the cameraman reminds him.

Crocodiles in the area appear to have realised it is often easier to let the humans do the work. Last November the Northern Territory News reported that a three-metre "saltie" spied on a group of fishermen before tucking into the shark they had just reeled in.