@newtboy,

No, it's about law. Warren Jeffries people did all that, on a smaller scale. They weren't their own country, even though they got away with it for decades. Law.

Forgive my lack of familiarity with him, but your telling me he (on a smaller scale than Texas), stopped paying taxes, and instead collecting them. Started up his own legal and justice system. He created his own borders within which the police would not dare set foot because it would be a death sentence for them. And after he'd done all this the US military itself failed to remove him as well?

Or are you meaning not just scale, but severity and all the other rather meaningful extremes of sovereignty that the Taliban and Al Qaida achieved? It's the same then in the sense that me punching you is violent just me killing ten people is violent, but in another sense they are nothing alike...

No, but they couldn't indiscriminately bomb Houston and any large gatherings either....not even if Spencer might be there. The first American civilian they kill will start a war...a real, legitimate war.

Your not embracing the analogy. Spencer's terrorists are still killing American civilians every week, outside of Texas borders. The American military is just corrupt enough that as long as its democrats/republicans dying,(whomever we choose to not be in power) they let it slide because it shows the need for the military to 'protect' the country.

You need to take a harder look at Pakistani politics to see just how powerful Al Qaida and the Taliban's control over the tribal areas has been.

More over, all of the above definitions of state within a state violence and jihad doesn't require war as the response to acts of war. To invade Afghanistan to prevent another 9/11 is dubious at best. Even the Kissinger's of the world wouldn't count the value of that trade off, losing a couple thousand Americans to an attack each decade or so is 'acceptable' loses.
Call it the price of freedom and carry on. The real trick was that if the Taliban and Al Qaida were so tight with Pakistan's military and intelligence services, how concerned should America be that the Pakistani proxies in their tribal regions and Afghanistan are so keen to target Americans. That lead directly to Pakistan's nuclear arsenal being a big enough concern with that pairing that maybe it was time to tell Pakistan they had to end their little dance with terrorists hitting Americans and they had better make a choice who they are going to side with in the Jihad that was already being waged for 2 decades.

No, it's about law.
Warren Jeffries (EDIT: that's Warren Jeffs) people did all that, on a smaller scale. They weren't their own country, even though they got away with it for decades.
Law.
No, but they couldn't indiscriminately bomb Houston and any large gatherings either....not even if Spencer might be there. The first American civilian they kill will start a war...a real, legitimate war.

P.S.. Holy Crap, you might be interested to know that Trump threatened the Mexican president with exactly that logic, your army can't get the bad hombres, so he might send ours there to do it. Lucky us, Mexico decided to not be a nuclear power.

It's a set-up for what's going to be ubiquitous in less than 20 years A10anis, cameras on every pole (wi-fi, infrared, audio, facial recognition software) and a cop's nose up every corner of your ass at the great cost of having ended the 'great experiment' -

Feinstein is only a shill for power-brokers and a miniature version of someone whose mentality of "I, Me, Mine" let's a few people dictate the their will over of every person on the planet who is not in their small circle.

Mind you, they believe that the bulk of humanity are not suited to dictate the course of the planet but hey; The same people who have chosen to guide the course of humanity's burst off the planet would keep us rhesus monkeys in small, manageable boxes while they romp freely around the globe with the bulk of our assets and the maximum amount of power to dictate further every aspect of our lives.

The real power they will not wield is to provide for the basic needs and education of the throw-backs of humanity who would rather perpetrate violence and promulgate fear to maintain arcane sensibilities and uncivilized backward ideologies which are anti-evolutionary and savage, using anti-evolutionary and savage people to enforce what looks like order, which is in actuality, the same barbaric practice of subjugation, imprisonment, and fear.

The solution is to limit expansion of population until these ideologies are stamped-out like the insectoid disease that they are, that of a limited perspective based on arcane patterns of thought. We could do this through compassion and education but the established powers see a different solution that will protect their interests-

People like Diane Feinstein and her ilk see the rest of humanity as dogs and cattle. Unprivileged, unworthy flesh with which to extort from them their labor, their minds and souls to their utopian ends, at the cost of our unique humanity.

The same virulence that atheist's have against the western Christan diaspora, these elites have for anyone not aligned with their totalitarian ends.

That they justify their courses of action with propaganda like this, fear-induced surrender to force and control, is against all that is humane and righteous.

Bombs in subways?? Solution: No one has privacy or freedom of expression or thought beyond that which exist behind their eyes and between their ears-Greeeeeat. Your world, not mine.

Next will come thought crimes, cordoned neighborhoods, etc.

Start now by getting some of the comparatively neanderthal segments of humanity into those boxes, limit THEIR freedoms through educating them to at LEAST the level of 17th-century socialization before turning the entire world into a forced labor-camp.

Bread and circuses only work for so long before the emperor's clothes are set alight by those less inclined to hear shit as well as being forced to eat it.

Anarchy would solve some of the discord in civilized countries.

Fucking China-Get those insects to stop cranking-out useless consumption items at an exponentially toxic pace as well-Their version of the world makes Orwell's look like a clam bake. How? Stop using it. Create artisans and craftsman again and develop in every human an appreciation for THAT WHICH LASTS, rather than I WANT NOW, FIRST!

Americans, Europeans drunk on technology, disposable clothing, instant gratification and entertainment are a herd of disposable mental midgets to the Diane Feinsteins of the world.

Sick dance we're learning....I just hope we can stand the dervish without blacking-out.

Ai, ai, ai! So many!>> ^jonny:

You forgot French, Iroquois, Mexican, Cuban, Malay, Korean, Panamanian, Venezuelan, Columbian, African but oddly not Afrikaner, ... and don't forget Poland! oh... actually, I guess we never really hated them. But really, no one can forget how we hated Ourselves.
>> ^Fusionaut:
First, Americans were afraid of the British, then the Natives, then the British again, then other Americans, after that the Africans, then the Spanish, then the African-Americans, then the Germans, then the African-Americans, then the Germans and the Japanese, then the Russians, then other Americans (Commies/Atheists), then the Vietcong, then the Russians again, then the Iraqis, then the Iranians, then the Al Qaeda, then the Iraqis again, then other Americans again (TSA), and NOW they're afraid of losing electricity. (I may be missing some groups and this list may be out of sequence)
P.S. oh yeah, don't forget Muslims!

You forgot French, Iroquois, Mexican, Cuban, Malay, Korean, Panamanian, Venezuelan, Columbian, African but oddly not Afrikaner, ... and don't forget Poland! oh... actually, I guess we never really hated them. But really, no one can forget how we hated Ourselves.

>> ^Fusionaut:

First, Americans were afraid of the British, then the Natives, then the British again, then other Americans, after that the Africans, then the Spanish, then the African-Americans, then the Germans, then the African-Americans, then the Germans and the Japanese, then the Russians, then other Americans (Commies/Atheists), then the Vietcong, then the Russians again, then the Iraqis, then the Iranians, then the Al Qaeda, then the Iraqis again, then other Americans again (TSA), and NOW they're afraid of losing electricity. (I may be missing some groups and this list may be out of sequence)
P.S. oh yeah, don't forget Muslims!

First, Americans were afraid of the British, then the Natives, then the British again, then other Americans, after that the Africans, then the Spanish, then the African-Americans, then the Germans, then the African-Americans, then the Germans and the Japanese, then the Russians, then other Americans (Commies/Atheists), then the Vietcong, then the Russians again, then the Iraqis, then the Iranians, then the Al Qaeda, then the Iraqis again, then other Americans again (TSA), and NOW they're afraid of losing electricity. (I may be missing some groups and this list may be out of sequence)

P.S. oh yeah, don't forget Muslims!

Good point. I agree.

However, it still cracks me up that Willard sat down at that booth thinking he had a slam dunk photo op and instead with met with diverse America.


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>> ^bareboards2:

omg, @<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/hpqp" title="member since July 25th, 2009" class="profilelink">hpqp, come check this out... hysterical!!!


That was actually kinda sad. Ever since Bachmann's pathetic argument against gay marriage I cannot get out of my head that, if these tools are going to cite the first Americans, they should remember that marriage was always - until very recently - between men and women of the same race. I just wish someone would pull that on them in an interview.

>> ^bareboards2:

omg, @hpqp, come check this out... hysterical!!!


That was actually kinda sad. Ever since Bachmann's pathetic argument against gay marriage I cannot get out of my head that, if these tools are going to cite the first Americans, they should remember that marriage was always - until very recently - between men and women of the same race. I just wish someone would pull that on them in an interview.

I unfortunately share these sentiments. Peaceful protesting is effective to a certain extent. We are fast approaching the extent. This is one reason I believe in being able to bare arms even though I despise guns and violence not that guns would be effective against much of the riot technology the cops have. Supposedly, the Bay Area cops brought a sound weapon to Occupy Oakland....

>> ^cito:

peaceful protests are often ignored and never work
instead of practicing their 1st amendments peacefully, I believe it's now time to start practicing our 2nd amendment and execute the treasonous bastards in the streets.
like the first american revolution, there were years of protesting that were ignored until americans finally had enough and rose up violently to destroy the tyrants and to take our country by force.
and like Benjamin Franklin said a government needs to be overthrown every 200 years or so or it becomes a tyranny. And we are now past time for a new revolution.
hopefully the political correct sheep will wake up and grow tired of sticking with political correct herd mentality and take up arms against the tyrants

peaceful protests are often ignored and never work

instead of practicing their 1st amendments peacefully, I believe it's now time to start practicing our 2nd amendment and execute the treasonous bastards in the streets.

like the first american revolution, there were years of protesting that were ignored until americans finally had enough and rose up violently to destroy the tyrants and to take our country by force.

and like Benjamin Franklin said a government needs to be overthrown every 200 years or so or it becomes a tyranny. And we are now past time for a new revolution.

hopefully the political correct sheep will wake up and grow tired of sticking with political correct herd mentality and take up arms against the tyrants

SpaceShipTwo is a suborbital spaceplane. A space ship.

Alan Shepard, the first American in space, flew the Mercury-Redstone 3 mission, a suborbital flight, aboard the Freedom 7 capsule. A space ship.

It's a space ship.>> ^westy:

Its not a space ship.

Thank you, Señor literal. When you tire of word games, there is some interesting discussion here:

http://videosift.com/video/Democracy-Now-Debate-on-U-S-Military-Intervention-in-Libya

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
You: "The first American boot to hit the ground, and we're protesting!"

Me: "They have CIA on the ground."

You: "Oh. I meant soldiers."

Me: "They've invaded."

You: "Oh. I was referring more to an occupation."

Me: "They've occupied Libya."

You: "I'm more angry about a war than--"

Me: "It's a war."

You: "But, we haven't colonized them, yet. If we do, then I'll be there with you protesting."

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
I was referring more to troops.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Good to hear. And how does your comment below measure against this article:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/30/libya.war/index.html?hpt=T1

Is that not more than one American boot already?

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
That said, the first American boot to hit the ground in Libya and I'll take to the streets with you to protest.

You: "The first American boot to hit the ground, and we're protesting!"

Me: "They have CIA on the ground."

You: "Oh. I meant soldiers."

Me: "They've invaded."

You: "Oh. I was referring more to an occupation."

Me: "They've occupied Libya."

You: "I'm more angry about a war than--"

Me: "It's a war."

You: "But, we haven't colonized them, yet. If we do, then I'll be there with you protesting."

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
I was referring more to troops.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Good to hear. And how does your comment below measure against this article:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/30/libya.war/index.html?hpt=T1

Is that not more than one American boot already?

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
That said, the first American boot to hit the ground in Libya and I'll take to the streets with you to protest.

I was referring more to troops.

In reply to this comment by blankfist:
Good to hear. And how does your comment below measure against this article:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/30/libya.war/index.html?hpt=T1

Is that not more than one American boot already?

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
That said, the first American boot to hit the ground in Libya and I'll take to the streets with you to protest.

Good to hear. And how does your comment below measure against this article:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/30/libya.war/index.html?hpt=T1

Is that not more than one American boot already?

In reply to this comment by dystopianfuturetoday:
That said, the first American boot to hit the ground in Libya and I'll take to the streets with you to protest.