what a NUMBNUTS cameraman !!! OMG ALL the action, squeals everything is over to the right... fireman, stretchers, all rolling TO THE ACTION and they're filming nothing

>> ^dag:
Is that legal?


When I wrestled in high school that move wasn't legal. Throws were legal, but most of those consisted of things like the fireman's carry to the body-to-body pancake, but none of them involved taking the person over your head in the hopes of slamming him on the nape of his neck.

Fireman!

"Voted 'most likely to be scraped off the side-walk by a puking fireman' in his high school yearbook."

>> ^kceaton1:
I agree, but the last question he asked seemed out of place. Maybe he should have brought up the type of car and whether that would have an impact on the prosecutor.
Or, the question for the hacksaw was related to the miracle that befell those fireman. Maybe someone used it to sever the lines? There might be a good Samaritan in that story.
/loves the onion news, a better info source
/than fox!


I'm thinking the hacksaw is to help dispose of the body...

I agree, but the last question he asked seemed out of place. Maybe he should have brought up the type of car and whether that would have an impact on the prosecutor.

Or, the question for the hacksaw was related to the miracle that befell those fireman. Maybe someone used it to sever the lines? There might be a good Samaritan in that story.

/loves the onion news, a better info source
/than fox!

I like this video because Matthews manages to tackle the issue without descending into the rhetoric and "angry white man" vitriol you might expect from his colleagues.

Agreed.

My father applied to be a fireman in the early 90's, but at the time they were only accepting minorities so as (I would assume) to diversify the workforce. So I do think this kinda stuff definitely goes on.

I feel bad for the fireman that has to help him down....

So basically, it sounds like the crux of the conservative argument is that they do not see taxation - whose revenue goes towards creating infrastructure and social systems that individuals could not create on their own - as a rudimentary social contract that you enter into as part of being a citizen in a democracy, but rather theft.

In other words, they are saying that buying services from a business is creating wealth, while buying services from the government is being robbed. When stated directly, without straw men, cute kids, purple prose or appeals to emotion, this argument doesn't make much sense.

That said, I find imstellars story very appealing from a narrative perspective. I was really rooting for those industrious young kids in their struggle against the dastardly G-Men down the block. (Trying to pass off WalMart lemonade as if it were the real deal? Who do they think they are anyway? Sheesh!) I'm not sure if he's written the ending yet, but I would suggest having the g-men both fall into a swimming pool late in the third act, or maybe they could get pantsed in front of all the kids at the Camp Grizzly Bear Talent Show? Anyway, real potential here.

Of course, the story is also an imstellar cream dream. The government would never build a lemonade stand, because a) it's not essential, b) there are plenty of others interested in doing it, and c) there is little need for transparency or oversight in the lemonade industry. The government does, however, build schools. (Which is, incidentally, where the kids who opened the lemonade stand first met.)

The teachers at that school helped the kids hone the skills they would need to open their own business. They learned how to work with wood in wood shop; learned how to create the sign in spelling, handwriting and art classes; learned how to do accounting in math and econ; and learned how to communicate with customers by giving speeches in English.

They also didn't have to worry about security because of the military (nationally) and police (locally). In case of a fire, they could call the fire department. If that mean Mr. Smith from down the block crashed his Humvee into their stand, they could even utilize the court system to recoup damages and lost income.

Even the sidewalk their business was built upon on was taken care of, not to mention the roads, crosswalks and traffic systems that helped people easily access the lemonade stand.

Beyond all the great public works that provided so much opportunity, it also just so happened that the neighborhood teachers, firefighters, soldiers, road workers and police officers loved lemonade, and could afford to buy a cup on a sunny afternoon because of their government employment.

Unfortunately, because of all the government intervention, none of this can be considered wealth. You see, a dollar isn't officially wealth until it's stagnating in some billionaire's bank account. Take that dollar and give it to a fireman, and wealth instantly becomes contraband, but as soon as that dollar trickles back up to the top it regains it's 'wealth' status.

Welcome to the First Church of Freemarketology, folks.

PS: I'd love to see imstellar do a sequel where the same kids open up a social security stand.

I call FAKE. If his pants really fell down by accident, why didn't he pull them up as soon as he was on the ladder and had his hands free, or at the least when he got on the ground. Notice it's the fireman that pulls his pants up, long after he touches down (he's apparently busy playing with his wiener). This guy just wanted to show off his undies.
Also note, his underwear is lower after he is off the ladder, as if he mooned the fireman for their help.

I'm not sure that fire forensics guidelines require investigators to look specifically for Thermite when specifying "accelerants" but I'm not a fireman, It's work looking into.

Incidentally, 2500° C = 4532° F.

3: I will encamp against you all around;
I will encircle you with towers
and set up my siege works against you.

4: Brought low, you will speak from the ground;
your speech will mumble out of the dust.
Your voice will come ghostlike from the earth;
out of the dust your speech will whisper.

Isaiah 29 (New International Version)

Here is a least one case where I am right and the shooter is now on death row.... If you read the actual article you will see that the SWAT officer was actually in the wrong house, at midnight, busting in and the shooter was still convicted. Most self defense laws do not allow the self defense argument when going against police.

"According to Radley Balko, Cory Maye, a man with no criminal record, defended himself against a SWAT Team member who, at the wrong residence, broke down his door without knocking:
As the raid on Smith commenced, some officers - including Jones -- went around to what they thought was a side door to Smith's residence, looking for a larger stash of drugs. The door was actually a door to Maye's home. Maye was home alone with his young daughter, and asleep, when one member of the SWAT team broke down the outside door. Jones, who wasn't armed, charged in, and made his way to Maye's bedroom. Because police believed Maye's side of the duplex was still part of Smith's residence, they never announced themselves (Note added on 12/0/05: Police said at trial that they did announce themselves before entering Maye's apartment -- Maye and his attorney say otherwise. I'm inclined to believe Maye, for reasons outlined in this post. However, even if they did, announcing seconds before bursting in just before midnight, isn't much better than not announcing at all. An innocent person on the other end of the raid, particularly if still asleep, has every reason to fear for his life.). Maye, fearing for his life and the safety of his daughter, fired at Jones, hitting him in the abdomen, just below his bulletproof vest. Jones died a short time later.
Here's the Mississippi murder statute under which Maye was convicted (also via Radley Balko):
(a) Murder which is perpetrated by killing a peace officer or fireman while such officer or fireman is acting in his official capacity or by reason of an act performed in his official capacity, and with knowledge that the victim was a peace officer or fireman..."

So here we have one case

Lol.

In reply to this comment by bigbikeman:
Wolfe Blitzer sure doesn't pull any punches though, does he?

Doorman, yes. Butler, yes. Journalist?

Well, maybe, if he lived in Buttfuck Nowhere and his biggest story was how a fireman didn't manage to save little Jimmy's cat from a tree. "Not his best effort, really. The cat is still in the tree."

Wolfe Blitzer sure doesn't pull any punches though, does he?

Doorman, yes. Butler, yes. Journalist?

Well, maybe, if he lived in Buttfuck Nowhere and his biggest story was how a fireman didn't manage to save little Jimmy's cat from a tree. "Not his best effort, really. The cat is still in the tree."

>> ^schmawy:
That's iffy, Marine. Probably a lot you do in the services that could be considered eia, in that case. Like being a fireman? Nordlich, you sound like a fire-guy, what say you?


There is a lot that might be considered eia - like sleeping next to thousands of pounds of explosives on a daily basis. But having a Molotov cocktail deliberately thrown at me ain't one of 'em.