I believe there could be something to this. I've heard the same thing about other hallucinogens in previous studies (though that was years ago, and nothing came of it). It's interesting stuff, I'd guess sort of like a chemical electroshock therapy. From the detailed explanation I got from a very, very close friend who used hallucinogens in his younger years, there definitely did seem to be an effect sort of like throwing the reset switch in the brain that lasted for a good while after the trip itself was over.

Of course, cocaine, amphetamines, benzodiazepines, alcohol and opiates also "cure" depression. So it's pretty complicated in practice.

"like an upright lizard being given electroshock therapy."
Gervais

Nah, not really offended. Just disagree. Seeya!
>> ^RhesusMonk:

Well, we're not going to get anywhere. Clearly I've offended your well-honed psychological sensibilities by challenging your post that stated severe electroshock therapy is the ONLY treatment in some situations, written in the context of a news story where no justification whatsoever was given.
My brush painted as broadly as the words: "when aversive conditioning is used in the developmental setting, it is as a last resort and the aversive stimulus is sparing and lenient;" words with which you seem to agree. The side-effects to be avoided were mentioned in both our posts, and I should have used the word "or" where I used "and." What a semantic boner!
I don't know what your background is (?), but aversive punishment may be a way of referring to a practice in some fields, but in the context of ASDs and behavioral analysis, I have never heard the term used. Also, when autistics injure themselves, they do so when exhibiting self-stimulaing behaviors. I have been highly discouraged from using the term self-injuriious, as it is an outcome-based term that draws the focus away from the behavior's motivators.
As to the ad hom, if you took offense to my statement on the lack of creativity or my reference to Nurse Ratched, be assured I was referring to all those who upvoted your comment as well. Electroshock therapy is arcane and unimaginative in the educational context.

>> ^berticus:
>> ^RhesusMonk:
... "self-injurious" behavior (which is actually called self-stimulating behavior). ...
This is simply not true.

Well, we're not going to get anywhere. Clearly I've offended your well-honed psychological sensibilities by challenging your post that stated severe electroshock therapy is the ONLY treatment in some situations, written in the context of a news story where no justification whatsoever was given.

My brush painted as broadly as the words: "when aversive conditioning is used in the developmental setting, it is as a last resort and the aversive stimulus is sparing and lenient;" words with which you seem to agree. The side-effects to be avoided were mentioned in both our posts, and I should have used the word "or" where I used "and." What a semantic boner!

I don't know what your background is (?), but aversive punishment may be a way of referring to a practice in some fields, but in the context of ASDs and behavioral analysis, I have never heard the term used. Also, when autistics injure themselves, they do so when exhibiting self-stimulaing behaviors. I have been highly discouraged from using the term self-injuriious, as it is an outcome-based term that draws the focus away from the behavior's motivators.

As to the ad hom, if you took offense to my statement on the lack of creativity or my reference to Nurse Ratched, be assured I was referring to all those who upvoted your comment as well. Electroshock therapy is arcane and unimaginative in the educational context.



>> ^berticus:

>> ^RhesusMonk:
... "self-injurious" behavior (which is actually called self-stimulating behavior). ...
This is simply not true.

I think it needs to be made clear that these electric shocks are not "electroshock therapy" aka electroconvulsive therapy.

These are painful electric shocks administered as an aversive therapy. In other words, this center uses pain to cause an aversion to misbehaving and electric shocks are one form of the pain they use.

NordlichReiter = Tom Cruise?

The ridiculous belief that depression can be cured by "training" your brain to not be depressed is absurd. What randomized control trials can you cite where "brain training" cures depression? (Hint: THERE ARE NONE)

This neo-hippie bullshit propaganda continues to add to the suffering of those with mental illness by dissuading them from getting treatment.



>> ^NordlichReiter:
I think that if a person's brain works on chemical reactions, then all that they need to know is how to cause the chemical reaction that will overcome mental issues. The brain can cause just about any reaction in a body, like an athlete who can forget about the pain. These things are achieved through brain training, which is has low impact on the knees and shoulders so you don't have to worry about injuries.
But that person has to be aware, and this is the difficult part. If a person is not aware that they are in a world that is fake then they will not find the real world. Like a dream, pay attention to things and the seams in the unreality will be revealed.
But then again, it could be like the beautiful mind, were these things can only be lived with, and not defeated.

No e-meter here...the scientologists are exactly the sort of moronic loons that one would have to be to take any of Hubbard's stupid crap as truth. Amazingly, he's even better at creating a completely unbelievable religion than he was at creating truly awful science fiction. Frankly, I didn't think that was possible.

My disgust with the state of mental-health professions (and professionals) stems from a far more personal set of encounters, seeing as I helped check my wife into the hospital yet again, Monday. They'll mumble their magic incantations, and toss a few darts at the medication chart to pick out a new drug cocktail, and hope it has some beneficial result (and not -too- many nasty permanent side effects). I'll believe they have something approaching a science when I can have my wife diagnosed by four different doctors and get any two of them to agree. Three out of four would leave me ecstatic. As it is, four doctors will (and have) give us five different diagnoses...

Did you know that electroshock therapy is still a common treatment? Fucking barbarians is what they are.

Kill this presenter. God she's annoying.

re Jill Price might she not try some electro-shock therapy? http://www.videosift.com/video/Ted-Talks-electroshock-therapy

Thank you

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*promote

Then in the end it shows her undergoing electroshock therapy to cure her insanity, seriously thats where I thought it was going