Doesn't matter much taking anything a president says out of context when they're prone to lie continually regardless-Lawyers lie for a living as well, he's both.

He's can't nor wants to take away our guns, he's laying a foundation for future knee-jerk legislation, testing the waters of citizen's gullibility to the "it's all about our children" propaganda. kinna like maybe this guy??

"He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.”

"By educating the young generation along the right lines, the People's State will have to see that a generation of mankind is formed which will be adequate to this supreme combat that will decide the destinies of the world."

Or this one, a tried and true method straight outta Mein Kamp:

" as long as the govt is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and any deprivation."

Not comparing Obummer to Hitler, just recognizing the methods of twisting emotions and minds with words...OH, and using fucking children as props!

Not all of us can just up and expatriate, baby-:O

Or, instead of pursuing piecemeal personal steps that have no real effect and seeking technological solutions which always seem to create more problems than they solve, we could end our consumerist culture which sees extraction of resources and consumption of everything as human kind's destiny and right

>> ^ChaosEngine:

>> ^Fletch:
I could get behind an overwhelming paintball blitzkrieg at one of their protests, however.

You win this thread.
I would love to do that. Unfortunately, I'm in NZ and the nearest thing we have to these guys is the Density Destiny Church, and they're pretty second rate as fundamentalist nutjobs go.


Dismissing them as second-rate fundamentalist nutjobs is like being ok with someone because they're only a little bit Nazi.

>> ^Fletch:

I could get behind an overwhelming paintball blitzkrieg at one of their protests, however.


You win this thread.

I would love to do that. Unfortunately, I'm in NZ and the nearest thing we have to these guys is the Density Destiny Church, and they're pretty second rate as fundamentalist nutjobs go.

What this really means is that your slower, language-based tiny chunk of brain should probably be more aware of what the rest of the brain thinks about what is going on and what to do about it. Your subconscious is you but a billion times faster and many times stronger so it is a bit sad that it is also like a stranger to us.

"You might pray to god or say it is destiny but I think we are just hiding all that we can be. Are we not wise enough to give all we are? Surely we're bright enough to outshine the stars." -Wise Enough by Lamb

you are right of course... that is the probable destiny

it may actually change plumbing codes one day which specify pipe rise/fall over distance based on liklihood of adhesion and such

That this movie is so funny doesn't hurt, but its posterity is due to the romantic treatment of fate. The idea that there is something so critical that you can't be allowed to screw it up, that your destiny is so important that the entire world will wait for you, that you will get as many chances as you need to get it right because existence can't go on until you do; this is an idea that we all love because we are all afraid of missing our chance.

There is no need to suspend disbelief; we are desperate for this to be true. We need it to be true, especially if our lives have not yet panned out, and when Groundhog Day is on, we all believe it.

Lady Madonna [begs] Mercy [as] Destiny [for the] Lebanese Blonde [suffering] Precious Illusions.

well that's all well and good... except that it's not nearly that simplistic.

http://videosift.com/video/Me-My-Sex-And-I
http://videosift.com/video/TED-Is-anatomy-destiny

You alone have the power. Don't be afraid. It is your destiny.
>> ^deathcow:

someone dupe it up and setup a backup for farcrafter
(or does dupe automatically set a backup now?)

You may feel you have a responsibility to spread what you believe to be true. That's all fine and dandy, and I have no problem with that. Going to people who do not agree with you, and have made up their mind, and telling them they're wrong for believing what you cannot prove to be certainly true is again an intolerance and disrespectful view of other people. You do NOT have definitive proof, no matter how much you think you do. You don't. Period. Go ahead and try to convince them. There's nothing immoral about that. It is immoral to claim moral superiority and tell people they don't have valid opinions because they don't share yours.

Do you get why it's wrong for an atheist to berate you for believing in a god when you cannot prove with empirical evidence he definitely exists? It's not right. You know why? Because they can't prove with certainty god doesn't exist either. So, respect each other's beliefs, agree to disagree, and follow the Golden Rule for interacting with others in discussion:

Don't be douchey!

Why is it wrong for you to believe an atheist has no valid viewpoint on spirituality? It's really darn simple. First, you equated spirituality to being right or wrong. Then, you said he had no valid opinion about it. If you're equating spirituality to morality and ethics, then why do most atheists believe in the idea of right vs wrong? They have ethics and morality, and theirs isn't subordinate to yours just because you believe in the existence of God.

Even beyond that, it's absurd. If I don't believe in the role of gov't in our lives, does that render all my opinions about gov't useless and always wrong? Since you're all about religion, does that mean all your thoughts about science are completely invalid? Of course not.

Why are my religious views irrelevant? It's really simple. I'm not debating which of our religions is the correct one. I'm debating how to appropriately discuss religion, morality, and ethics with others. You are not the final arbiter of truth. Neither am I. Neither is messenger. We're all struggling to find more truth. Yours isn't more valid because you're Christian.

You're also not an atheist, yet you seem to know exactly what their beliefs are about morality. Instead of trying to argue your side, here's a totally wild idea - why don't you take a little time and understand where they're coming from before you spout ignorant crap about what they believe? I'm sure you don't appreciate when people spout crap about you that isn't true. IE, why don't you use the Christian Golden Rule?

You can stop spouting your religious views to justify your utter disrespect for others and their beliefs. I didn't read a single word of it. Quite frankly, you're pissing me off, and I would suggest you re-evaluate how you discuss this topic with others using that tone. I'm enlightened enough to not hold your douchebaggery against other devout Christians who are more respectful of others. More often than not, it's not convincing people to see it your way. It's causing an irrational recalcitrance against your views. If you truly are a believer of god and trying to change people's minds to a view like your own, this isn't the way to do it. Jesus didn't act like a petulant 5 year old know it all.

>> ^shinyblurry:

Dude, you can have spiritual insights and be an atheist. But you're also doing what many other religious people do that gives religion a bad name - presume that spirituality is synonymous with morality. It's not the same thing. Most atheists have a code or morality.
A spiritual atheist is a contradiction in terms, although I have actually met some. What insight could someone who is unaware they have a spirit offer? That would be like a blind person commenting on the beauty of a sunset.
Everyone has the internal witness of their own conscience to tell them right from wrong. I never said atheists cannot be moral. However, God has given specific revelation of a moral law that He expects everyone to follow.
I'm not getting into my personal religious beliefs with you. Quite frankly they are irrelevant.
How can we have an intellectually honest conversation about personal religious beliefs if you won't say what yours are?
For the record, you don't have definitive proof an omnipotent being revealed to you the absolute truth. You may believe you do, but you don't. Believe it all you want, strongly believe in it. That doesn't bother me, but you have no definitive proof for certain that God exists, let alone revealed to you the exact truth of his nature, etc. etc. etc.
Yes, it is very arrogant to think you have this knowledge. It's not arrogant of me to say that. You have no slam dunk evidence prove he has revealed this to you, or even if he exists. That's why it's called faith. I feel god has visited me in my lifetime to reveal truth, but I don't dare go around telling people that he most certainly did, and his truth is my beliefs, and therefore I know the truth and anyone who contradicts me is wrong. That's quite frankly repugnant and shows a total disrespect for others and their beliefs that haven't a thing to do with you.
Do you know much about Christianity? I have been commanded by God to preach the gospel and to let people know that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. That is my responsibility, and one day, we will all stand before Him, and we will have to give account for everything that we have done and said, every idle word. This includes what we did and didn't do. I have trouble understanding how you can know that I interpret the world through Christian theism yet fail to understand why I follow it to its logical conclusion, IE, obeying the will of God.
The gospel is a scandal to people because it convicts them of their sin and reveals the eternal destiny that they face without Jesus Christ. It is also the good news, that God sent His only begotten Son, who through His sacrifice on the cross, paid the price for our sins, and that God will forgive your sins and give you eternal life if you turn from them and trust in Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
I'm sorry but it isn't arrogant to tell someone that they are wrong, when they actually are wrong. In this case, if you saw someone walking into a burning building, would you not warn them not to go in there? That is exactly what I am doing, and whether you believe it is credible or not is not the issue. You're violating your own standard of conduct by telling me I am wrong, which is arrogant by your own definition. Neither can everything be definitively proven. You don't have any definitive proof that there are other minds, or that reality isn't an illusion. You cannot prove either conclusion with empirical evidence. Is it arrogant to say that you exist?
God has specifically said that He has given a general revelation of Himself in the Creation, in the things He has made, to everyone, so that no man has any excuse for not knowing there is a God. That is the revelation you have received. He has also given us a special revelation of Himself in the person of Jesus Christ. When you speak of definitive proof, what you are really talking about is knowing Jesus Christ personally. Well, that is what I am telling you. You can know Him today, if you prayed to Him and asked Him to come into your life as Lord and Savior. That is how He told us to know Him, and God will supply the proof. Your refusal to do that is like trying to find an octopus in the desert, and when you don't find any, declaring that there aren't any. There is only one way to know God, and if you don't go that route, you won't know anything about Him. That is why you believe you can know nothing for certain, because you have been given no certain knowledge about who God is.
>> ^heropsycho:

Dude, you can have spiritual insights and be an atheist. But you're also doing what many other religious people do that gives religion a bad name - presume that spirituality is synonymous with morality. It's not the same thing. Most atheists have a code or morality.

A spiritual atheist is a contradiction in terms, although I have actually met some. What insight could someone who is unaware they have a spirit offer? That would be like a blind person commenting on the beauty of a sunset.

Everyone has the internal witness of their own conscience to tell them right from wrong. I never said atheists cannot be moral. However, God has given specific revelation of a moral law that He expects everyone to follow.

I'm not getting into my personal religious beliefs with you. Quite frankly they are irrelevant.

How can we have an intellectually honest conversation about personal religious beliefs if you won't say what yours are?

For the record, you don't have definitive proof an omnipotent being revealed to you the absolute truth. You may believe you do, but you don't. Believe it all you want, strongly believe in it. That doesn't bother me, but you have no definitive proof for certain that God exists, let alone revealed to you the exact truth of his nature, etc. etc. etc.

Yes, it is very arrogant to think you have this knowledge. It's not arrogant of me to say that. You have no slam dunk evidence prove he has revealed this to you, or even if he exists. That's why it's called faith. I feel god has visited me in my lifetime to reveal truth, but I don't dare go around telling people that he most certainly did, and his truth is my beliefs, and therefore I know the truth and anyone who contradicts me is wrong. That's quite frankly repugnant and shows a total disrespect for others and their beliefs that haven't a thing to do with you.

Do you know much about Christianity? I have been commanded by God to preach the gospel and to let people know that Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. That is my responsibility, and one day, we will all stand before Him, and we will have to give account for everything that we have done and said, every idle word. This includes what we did *and* didn't do. I have trouble understanding how you can know that I interpret the world through Christian theism yet fail to understand why I follow it to its logical conclusion, IE, obeying the will of God.

The gospel is a scandal to people because it convicts them of their sin and reveals the eternal destiny that they face without Jesus Christ. It is also the good news, that God sent His only begotten Son, who through His sacrifice on the cross, paid the price for our sins, and that God will forgive your sins and give you eternal life if you turn from them and trust in Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

I'm sorry but it isn't arrogant to tell someone that they are wrong, when they actually are wrong. In this case, if you saw someone walking into a burning building, would you not warn them not to go in there? That is exactly what I am doing, and whether you believe it is credible or not is not the issue. You're violating your own standard of conduct by telling me I am wrong, which is arrogant by your own definition. Neither can everything be definitively proven. You don't have any definitive proof that there are other minds, or that reality isn't an illusion. You cannot prove either conclusion with empirical evidence. Is it arrogant to say that you exist?

God has specifically said that He has given a general revelation of Himself in the Creation, in the things He has made, to everyone, so that no man has any excuse for not knowing there is a God. That is the revelation you have received. He has also given us a special revelation of Himself in the person of Jesus Christ. When you speak of definitive proof, what you are really talking about is knowing Jesus Christ personally. Well, that is what I am telling you. You can know Him today, if you prayed to Him and asked Him to come into your life as Lord and Savior. That is how He told us to know Him, and God will supply the proof. Your refusal to do that is like trying to find an octopus in the desert, and when you don't find any, declaring that there aren't any. There is only one way to know God, and if you don't go that route, you won't know anything about Him. That is why you believe you can know nothing for certain, because you have been given no certain knowledge about who God is.

>> ^heropsycho:

>> ^quantumushroom:

Why are these two smirking and proud?
Liberals run the show in US government schools, and conservative politicians are complicit, though without them the socialists would have already gone further.
Read all about it in this free-to-download e-book
The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America


Made it to paragraph three:

"If a child can read, write and compute at a reasonably proficient level, he will be able to do just about anything he wishes, enabling him to control his destiny to the extent that God allows (remain free)."

Cause Richard E Grant can be so creepy when he wants to be?
In reply to this comment by therealblankman:
In reply to this comment by Ryjkyj:
Are you kidding me? @<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/Drax" title="member since November 16th, 2008" class="profilelink">Drax Aragorn would be so high-up in his Epic Destiny Tier that it wouldn't even matter. With all of his to-hit bonuses, using a small feat like cleave would grant him an auto-crit without even rolling. Not to mention, Anduril probably offers modifiers unheard of in most of Middle Earth.

(also, The Mouth of Sauron was played by Bruce Spence.) @<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/therealblankman" title="member since March 10th, 2006" class="profilelink">therealblankman


Really? Well I sure got that wrong. I wonder why I thought it was Richard E Grant?

Are you kidding me? @Drax Aragorn would be so high-up in his Epic Destiny Tier that it wouldn't even matter. With all of his to-hit bonuses, using a small feat like cleave would grant him an auto-crit without even rolling. Not to mention, Anduril probably offers modifiers unheard of in most of Middle Earth.

(also, The Mouth of Sauron was played by Bruce Spence.) @therealblankman