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Trump's Shifting Story on Firing James Comey: A Closer Look

bobknight33 says...

Lets get this straight. POTUS TRUMP was told about Flynn and it took 3 weeks before he was fired and the Liberals went off the rails to taking too long and demand an investigation.....

THE SAME DAY(5/9/17) as Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general sends a Memo to POTUS TRUMP indicating all the reasons why Come should be let go and POTUS TRUMP Fires COMEY, as he should have the liberal media goes off the rails and demands an investigation.. Damn if you do Damn if you don't..

Trigger Happy Cop Attacks Private Investigator

Mordhaus says...

Here is the thing, he could have taken another path in escalation. At the start of the video he already has his weapon drawn, not his taser, his 9mm handgun. He refused to do anything to de-escalate the situation, such as step back and call for backup and a watch commander. He instead escalated by placing hands on the driver and refused to call in a supervisor. When the driver moved, he escalated again with the weapon and after confirming the driver was no longer moving, continued to keep him in shooting position. After backup arrived with a taser drawn and ready, he still did not go to a guard position with his weapon. He became confrontational and even continued to draw down on the PI after there were multiple police on the scene.

In any case, watch the longer video @littledragon_79 posted. They go over the actual policy and training that the Deputy should have followed per the department's rules, which he did none of. This is either a case of a poorly trained Deputy or a hothead that shouldn't be a law enforcement officer.

Trigger Happy Cop Attacks Private Investigator

littledragon_79 says...

Interesting to read the jury instructions, especially the requests for admission portion: http://photographyisnotacrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Jury-Instructions-1.pdf

I'm a bit on the fence with this one. I understand the fear, but that deputy seemed completely unable to be rational. And that's a tough thing to be in this situation, but you gotta keep your wits about you...for everyone's sake. I'm kind of surprised he didn't accidentally pull the trigger.

As with most of these issues/interactions, I place a lot of blame on the bosses and elected officials for not forming/maintaining a better dept.

Cop Engaged In Traffic Stop Leads To Life Sentence

dalumberjack says...

Just my .02 since I'm in this field of work.

He is most likely off duty. Looking at his uniform (he isn't wearing one) and the fact he has no gear on his duty belt tells me this was done off hours. Another possibility is this was done by a training facility / academy where most training Officers/Deputies wear the polo style shirt / khakis and do not wear much gear.

Either way, more than highly likely not on duty.

Now you may all proceed to rant about all other aspects of this video.

BARBARIC Dakota Access Oil Police Cause Mass Hypothermia

bcglorf says...

For the police that are pulling out, your countercurrentnews quoted the Dan County Sherrifs office as pulling out and not planning to return. The local news link they reference though tells much more than just the biased spin countercurrent put on it. Sheriff Mahoney cites the reason for pulling out was that their agreed on involvement was only ever for the week they were there and no future funding was offered so they would be sacrificing local services to go back.

Even more glaring an omission if Mahoney is to be championed as countercurrent did, he described his officers experience at the pipeline as follows:

“Our people have shined, they report they stood in line and were confronted with baseball bats and tire irons and being sprayed with wasp spray,” he said. “Our deputies said there was a need for law enforcement.”

The full local story free of countercurrent's extremely prejudiced and biased stripping is below if you want a more full story. Surprisingly, the police officers aren't all just showing up on the protesters own property to start shooting them with water, tear gas, and rubber bullets while the protesters huddle up and sing kumbaya.

http://m.bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/sheriff-in-wisconsin-pulls-deputies-back-from-north-dakota-pipeline/article_c0378e3a-8e57-59f1-99
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enoch said:

@bcglorf

interesting how you classify the protesters as angry mob and rioters.

see,
this all on tribal land,owned by native americans,who welcomed this "angry mob" and "rioters" and the police are there NOT at the behest of the tribal elders,but DAPL,a private corporation attempting to push a private pipeline,for private profit,through privately owned land.

DAPL had even hired private mercenaries to keep the landowners off their construction site,who used attack dogs,mace,rubber bullets and worked alongside the police.it got so bad at one point that they had pulled police officers from FIVE states to keep those pesky landowner rabble down!

on a good note,those ancillary officer teams bowed out after a few days,saying that it was immoral and they were unwilling to participate.so the "police" you are referring to are most likely private security.

Funny how the perspective you tell the story from changes it entirely even while keeping to the overall same facts.....and then add some context.

democracynow has been doing excellent work on this situation,as has countercurrentnews:

https://www.democracynow.org/topics/dakota_access

http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/11/north-dakota-becomes-first-u-s-state-legalize-use-armed-drones-police-defend-illegal-pipeline/

http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/10/ohio-swat-state-police-deployed-north-dakota-crack-dapl-pipeline-protesters/

http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/11/sheriffs-leave-standing-rock-saying-completely-unethical/

and if you wanna berate those hiring the private thugs:

http://www.yesmagazine.org/people-power/dial-a-cop-20161031

QI - Why Would You Swallow A Poisonous Metalloid?

wraith says...

You shoiuld have read the Wikipedia article:

"Muhammad bin Nayef bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Arabic: محمد بن نايف بن عبد العزيز آل سعود‎‎; born 30 August 1959) is the Crown Prince, First Deputy Prime Minister and the Minister of Interior of Saudi Arabia."

QI - Why Would You Swallow A Poisonous Metalloid?

The three girls and the cops controversy and this press conf

bobknight33 says...

3 stupid criminals die.....and the problem is?

Those deputies did their jobs. Their parents didn't do theirs for 15 years, and there lies the problem.

When you have an anti-police President, and an anti-police U.S. attorney general. Are you surprised that criminals are the "victims" and police are the criminals.

The three girls and the cops controversy and this press conf

SFOGuy says...

Oh, thanks for this! Couldn't find it.
Yah, at at least the 31 second mark, a deputy walks by in a clearly a stripped down state.

You can't see if he's sopping wet, but you can clearly tell he's stripped his belt and other uniform stuff that would encumber him in the water.

And then later in the videos---is someone going by in their underwear?
I couldn't be sure.

bcglorf said:

Here's possibly the clip being referenced, from the sheriffs office directly. Shows two officers, both stripped down from uniform, 1 looks like they are carrying back their vest suggesting it had been stripped off. I'm not sure how much more can realistically be expected. As the Sheriff said, have we really hit the point where unless we have a video of the deputies wading into the water it clearly didn't happen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krliEVgUQoM

Three Teen Girls Drowned as Cops Stand By and Do Nothing

bcglorf says...

Here's possibly the clip being referenced, from the sheriffs office directly. Shows two officers, both stripped down from uniform, 1 looks like they are carrying back their vest suggesting it had been stripped off. I'm not sure how much more can realistically be expected. As the Sheriff said, have we really hit the point where unless we have a video of the deputies wading into the water it clearly didn't happen? I guess it's beyond hope to see a retraction of declaring them all liars and murderers for failing to save a bunch of kids from their own stupidity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krliEVgUQoM

newtboy said:

Yes, the Sheriff SAYS that, but I did notice they don't produce a video of damp deputies anywhere, they just CLAIM it's out there. I looked, it's not. They're liars....but I expect nothing less from murderers.

The three girls and the cops controversy and this press conf

bcglorf says...

Here's possibly the clip being referenced, from the sheriffs office directly. Shows two officers, both stripped down from uniform, 1 looks like they are carrying back their vest suggesting it had been stripped off. I'm not sure how much more can realistically be expected. As the Sheriff said, have we really hit the point where unless we have a video of the deputies wading into the water it clearly didn't happen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krliEVgUQoM

Three Teen Girls Drowned as Cops Stand By and Do Nothing

newtboy says...

Yes, the Sheriff SAYS that, but I did notice they don't produce a video of damp deputies anywhere, they just CLAIM it's out there. I looked, it's not. They're liars....but I expect nothing less from murderers.

SFOGuy said:

Well...

I don't know what to make out of this press conference, then, 2 days ago---where the Sheriff says the deputies you can see NOT doing anything aren't the ones who waded into the pond---

And that the ones who did wade in can be seen in other dash cam videos without belts and later without their pants (he has a pretty clear moment where he points out that deputies don't take off their belts or pants randomly for no reason at all...)

So---this might be a more unclear story...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZkDSXmhQe0

The three girls and the cops controversy and this press conf

newtboy says...

Um...we can see in the original video that no deputy is in the water, and their pants are on and dry.
If there IS this second video, why can't it be found? I've looked, no such video has been posted on YT.
"Is there ANYTHING showing deputies with muddy clothing or anything?"
"No...why would we do that? That's not evidence of anything."
He can't possibly be that stupid. It would be evidence that they tried....but that evidence does not exist because they clearly didn't try to save those girls. No one went in the water, in the video of that night it's pretty clear that NO deputy went in the water, some didn't even get out of their cars.

The deflection, trying to both blame the victims and dehumanize them, implying they don't deserve to be saved. Just plain disgusting. The solution to the issue at hand.....a new anti car theft initiative....not more/better police training.

These deputies didn't do their job, then lied about it, and are continuing to lie in the face of video evidence proving that they are lying. 3 girls died because of it.

Three Teen Girls Drowned as Cops Stand By and Do Nothing

SFOGuy says...

Well...

I don't know what to make out of this press conference, then, 2 days ago---where the Sheriff says the deputies you can see NOT doing anything aren't the ones who waded into the pond---

And that the ones who did wade in can be seen in other dash cam videos without belts and later without their pants (he has a pretty clear moment where he points out that deputies don't take off their belts or pants randomly for no reason at all...)

So---this might be a more unclear story...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZkDSXmhQe0

newtboy said:

OK, 2 things we do know for certain....
1)they came out publicly claiming that "deputies took off their belts and tried to rush into the water to save the girls." but "didn't get far".
2) we know they didn't enter the water at all, and made absolutely zero attempt to save the screaming girls (unless you count loitering around until the screaming stopped before considering even calling for a tractor as some kind of attempt to save them...I don't).

Had #1 been true and the officers had actually had trouble reaching the car, or getting the girls out, fine. It was in no way true, though. In fact, we hear them discussing the screaming girls and waiting around until "they're done" before even considering any action.

You are welcome to your own opinion about that, but TRYING to save people from drowning is one of the things we pay first responders to do. When they completely, intentionally, and unequivocally shirk that duty (and the lie is proof that they knew it was wrong), and people die, that's murder...they have a DUTY to try. When they lie about it in an official capacity, that should be compounding special circumstances and get them a needle.



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