>> ^blankfist:

>> ^NetRunner:
>> ^blankfist:
I wish there was a medical system in the US that took care of all of us. I really do. And I'd much rather my tax dollars go to that
We can make your dream of universal taxpayer-funded health care come true! I'll be counting on your support when the GOP tries to repeal Obamacare.
It'll be you, me, and Dennis Kucinich out there yelling for single payer, and getting shouted down by Ron Paul and all the rest of the libertarian and conservative movements who want to make sure we let people die if they can't pay for the treatment they need.

How are those cherries tasting you've been picking?


Wait, you didn't really mean it? My heart is broken.

Does this mean you'd let him die if he couldn't pay?

I'm just asking if failure to pay for a service means you shouldn't get that service, no matter how dire your need for it is. If we were talking about someone buying cherries, you wouldn't be dodging the question, you'd be pretty steadfast in saying "you don't pay, you don't get cherries", because that's what the law of property demands.

Well, substitute "life-saving medical treatment" for cherries. Do the laws change, or do they stay the same?

PS: How do you like them apples cherries!

>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^blankfist:
I wish there was a medical system in the US that took care of all of us. I really do. And I'd much rather my tax dollars go to that
We can make your dream of universal taxpayer-funded health care come true! I'll be counting on your support when the GOP tries to repeal Obamacare.
It'll be you, me, and Dennis Kucinich out there yelling for single payer, and getting shouted down by Ron Paul and all the rest of the libertarian and conservative movements who want to make sure we let people die if they can't pay for the treatment they need.


How are those cherries tasting you've been picking?

>> ^blankfist:

I wish there was a medical system in the US that took care of all of us. I really do. And I'd much rather my tax dollars go to that

We can make your dream of universal taxpayer-funded health care come true! I'll be counting on your support when the GOP tries to repeal Obamacare.

It'll be you, me, and Dennis Kucinich out there yelling for single payer, and getting shouted down by Ron Paul and all the rest of the libertarian and conservative movements who want to make sure we let people die if they can't pay for the treatment they need.

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@NetRunner (For brevity)

There is, in my mind, a bigger issue at hand than the tissue at hand (Sorry, Elmo in Grouchland ref...)
And that is the movement of society. Paul isn't, as I have note before, a means to an end. He is the first step in a million mile march. The only two things he can get done in office is 1--Change the direction of our nation's military might (Which is far more important than say Unions from a financial perspective.) 2--Stop federal enforcement of the drug war.


To say you don't trust him on certain things is odd. What would it take to earn your trust? And don't get me wrong, he won't start a movement to get certain things done (I.e., more tolerance for homosexuals)--he is the movement of the right to a center again (Where homosexuals are widely more accepted...) His best friend is politically a death-knell (Dennis Kucinich,) he has continued to hold onto his politically-doomed drug policies, he speaks freely, he doesn't take (much) money from the big guy...etc.

However, how well has Obama done to legalize gay marriage? (He can't, that's up to either the courts or the legislature.) Protecting the unions? (Can't, that's really a state level thing when it comes to practicality...I.e., if the state wants a loophole to doom a union, they can enact one.) One man isn't god in an office--and that's why I don't hate Obama for being a mortal man.

I just can't see myself voting for the never ending war between Big Business R and Big Business D... Voting for Obama or Bachman, or Clinton or Bush, is voting to continue that war and honestly I don't want a part of it. Once we realize this truism we can fix our nation.

I can't seem to get my point across.

I, too, think it was inevitable that Osama would die in any attempt to take him alive. I'm sure he knew that he was much more effective as a martyr than as a prisoner.

I, too, am not grieving for his death.

I am grieving at our process and the way we have spoken about this as a nation. @blankfist says it above, with one slight addition -- "I mourn the [public] disregard for his right to fair trial."

Dennis Kucinich is the only public figure I have ever heard call this what it is. One public voice.

Something is wrong when only one person holds to ideals our country is supposedly founded on.

Dennis Kucinich called the hunt for Osama "state sponsored assassination."

The man needed to be brought to justice. Sending a team to murder him isn't justice.

If the point was to keep America safe, I repeat my first comment -- killing him is gasoline on the fire. Letting him die of old age, or his bad kidneys, much much safer for Americans.

My thoughts are with the soldiers overseas. I am sure they are on high alert.

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I'm as big a fan of war as you are of genocide.
Or, maybe you should be quite while the big people talk about grown up things.
Do you deny that Gadhafi was in the process of implementing the genocide he promised to commit?


Sorry, I have a hard time understanding the grown ups when they leave comments like this. Or maybe I should just be quite.

@bcglorf, I'm glad you're a fan of war and death and violence. Good for you. You're right up there with the neocons. Kudos.

I like how Dennis Kucinich put it, "Bombing villages to save villages, we've been through that in Vietnam."

Here's the whole video:

@ghark

Ok, so you are saying that Ron Paul is secretly working for the mainline Republican party? Interesting, I don't think he is doing a good job. Let us examine this. One, he has run as a third party candidate. This not only undermines the republican party entirely, logic dictates that his voter pool will come, by in large, from the republican pool... further undermining it.

And then you point out his voting record...the very evidence of him standing out against his party via decades of standing for his ideals. You twist that evidence to support a conclusion of indifference through effect. That, because what you are doing hasn't gotten the results you wanted, you have failed. In a certain since, this is true, but if it is the only fight you can fight, it is worth fighting for. That is an opinion of course, and one Dr. Paul obviously shares, as he has frequently said that he only ran for president because his pool of constituents said he should, he had no great desires to. Blaming Ron Paul for the 200 years of political development on capital hill is lunacy.

To me, it really seems like you have your heart set on hating Paul based in nothing, an irrational position based on emotion. If a man striving after his ideals for 20 years, never compromising, or throwing in the towel, and managing to come to moderate popularity against very entrenched powers working against you daily doesn't move you to sympathy, I don't know what will. Dennis Kucinich is such a man on the other side of the political equation from me, but I respect his purity. I don't understand how you can not. It seems sort of bigoted.

The reoccurring theme of your anger seems to be denoted at some of his comments on the oil spill. Here is a great interview of his giving his semi-support for Obama, like a true republican. He also talks about the moral hazard [government] created by totally dismissing the property rights of fisherman in the area, and the flaw of [government] limiting the liability of corporations responsible for the oil spill. From what I heard, he isn't defending BP anymore than he logically should for something that is, indeed, and accident. Do you think BP did the oil spill on purpose? Was this a plan by the Obama administration to have a great disaster to recover from.

His ideals have made HIM popular, not the republican mainstream. This is evident by republicans booing his victory in the CPAC during 2010 and 2011. While he might drive some to the republican party, they are people the main republican party doesn't like, he is causing a revolution within the party, changing the system from within. You asked how is this going to be fixed, this is how.

"If a country can't save itself through the volunteer service of its own free people, then I say : Let the damned thing go down the drain!" - Robert Heinlein

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Although Ron Paul and Kucinich have very different ideologies or world views on what methods to better society. Both are genuine to their causes. Both are intelligent and seem to want to find a truth to back their ideas. Both don't need to lie and strawman their way way through a discussion. Unfortunately what they have to do is the opposite. When honest people have to spend so much time dispelling fallacies and stay marganalized, shows just how fallacy infested the social narrative towards what's going on in society is. them>>> ^blankfist:

I wonder why we accept people like Obama and McCain and somehow manage to forget or marginalize people like Kucinich and Paul? It should've been Ron Paul vs. Dennis Kucinich in 2008, if you ask me.

>> ^blankfist:

I wonder why we accept people like Obama and McCain and somehow manage to forget or marginalize people like Kucinich and Paul? It should've been Ron Paul vs. Dennis Kucinich in 2008, if you ask me.


Because Kucinich is an idiot.

I'd actually love to see a Paul vs Obama matchup come 2012. It would make for the most interesteing POTUS debates of all time. Whether one agrees or disagrees with Ron Paul, he never intentionally lies and has a keen policy mind.

The rest of the crop of R's are all mostly Good Ol Boy (ie: racist) assholes who have zero understanding of policy, barely even know the difference between the constitution and the declaration of independence, and willfully lie to your face without batting an eye.

I wonder why we accept people like Obama and McCain and somehow manage to forget or marginalize people like Kucinich and Paul? It should've been Ron Paul vs. Dennis Kucinich in 2008, if you ask me.

>> ^rougy:

^ You are lying out your ass.
There is nothing that says this had to be a "bi-partisan" bill.


First things first, I gave my honest opinion. You may think I'm wrong, or just simply disagree with me, but I said what I really believe.

As for the bill being "bipartisan", I'm not sure what you mean. Only Dennis Kucinich was talking about single payer in the Presidential primary. Edwards, Clinton, and Obama all had plans that left private insurance at the heart of their reforms. None of them proposed a public option as strong as Grayson's bill that would allow everyone to be able to buy into Medicare. None of them really even proposed a plan that regulates the private insurers as much as this bill will.

Democrats are honestly a center-right party. I'm on board for trying to pull them left so that they become at least a center-left party, but we're not there today.

I think that we got a pretty good bill, considering the kind of timid centrists we had at the heart of our party, and we'll have plenty of opportunity to improve the bill over the course of the next decade. We might even get a public option before most of this stuff comes into effect in 2014.

I for one expect that the public option will be a big topic in the 2010 and 2012 elections, especially in the Democratic Senate primaries, and hopefully in the 2012 presidential campaign as well.