So what about the uneducated British troops sent to put down the illegal colonial rebellion over, as you put it "expensive tea"? Blue collar hardworking guys right? Should have just bent over and taken it because they had badges?

It is bad luck for them, as for the British soldiers, that those whose will they have pledged to violently enforce make tyrannical and demented proclamations. But the most elementary understanding of Jefferson, and the fundamental basis for the US constitution, absolutely precludes meek subservience to tyranny.

A few more gutless masochists like you in Boston and you would be singing God save the Queen, and crowing about how great the staus Quo is. Or whatever mental contortions you had to perform to avoid growing a pair.

As for causing a disrespectful commotion at the memorial to a father of free expression, are you really blaming people silently jigging over people violently attacking others??

No offense but if you'd spouted that shit to Jefferson he'd have knocked you the fuck out.

>> ^bareboards2:

This is the very definition of dehumanization. To tell a hardworking blue collar worker that they are a tool of the state, instead of recognizing that they are understandably pissed off at a bunch of folks who aren't following specific directions?
There is a vid on the sift interviewing cannibals on how they justified eating a fellow human being.
This is the modern world equivalent of that cannibal saying the sorcerer wasn't human, so it was okay to kill and eat him.

Well, apparently it took the bible to get people to realize slavery is wrong because there has never been any abolitionist movement outside of the Christian west, anywhere. Jesus taught every man woman and child is equal under God, which was a new idea. That alone tells you it is wrong. If people followed that they would have abolished slavery a long time ago. As far as the old law is concerned, it is noted by Jesus that some commandments were given because of the hardness of mans heart. Meaning, at the time man simply wasn't ready to hear the message.

>> ^cosmovitelli:
Ah. Understood.
>> ^shinyblurry:
And sure, you could enjoy a meaningless, purposeless existence. You wouldn't be internally consistant and would have to delude yourself, but yeah you could enjoy if you didn't think too hard.



>> ^shuac:
<em>>> <a rel="nofollow" href='http://videosift.com/video/Christopher-Hitchens-badly-loses-debate-to-William-L-Craig#comment-1212374'>^JiggaJonson</a>:<br />
@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/shinyblurry" title="member since January 21st, 2011" class="profilelink">shinyblurry</a> @<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/jonny" title="member since July 10th, 2007" class="profilelink">jonny</a><br> <br> Even if jonny thinks he can be moral without god, and you think you can, it doesnt change the fact that god cannot grant a rule any more power or significance than it already has intrinsically. <br> <br> For example: It's wrong to murder. <br> Now if I say "Why is it wrong to murder?"<br> You saying "Well god says it's wrong" doesn't MAKE it wrong to murder.<br> <br> Try it in reverse to illustrate:<br> It's right to murder, everyone you come across should be murdered.<br> Now I say, "Wait that's not right, you shouldn't end another person's life!"<br> And you say "Well god says it's right to murder."<br> ^THAT doesn't all of a sudden make it right to murder (maybe in your mind, but maybe I'm talking to the wrong guy) So when it comes to morality, god really is irrelevant. <br> <br> <i>A rule is only as good as its intrinsic quality.</i><br> <br> p.s.<br> I never liked the ceo/king analogy in the first place, it makes huge assumptions about the existence of god.<br></em>
Correct, JiggaJ. I'd like to add a related point that slavery, which the entire civilized world now agrees is an abomination, was wholly endorsed by god, the author of the bible.
The only real restraint god provides on the subject of slavery is that we not beat our slaves so severely that we injure their eyes or their teeth (Exodus 21). Nowhere in the new testament does Jesus object to the practice of slavery. It even tells slaves to serve their masters well. Obviously, this is not the kind of moral insight that put an end to slavery in the United States.
Shiny may remind us that abolitionists also drew inspiration from the bible. I have no doubt they did. People have been cherry-picking the bible for millennia to justify their every impulse, moral and otherwise. This does not mean that accepting the bible to be the word of god is the best way to discover that abducting and enslaving men, women, and children is morally wrong. It obviously isn't...if you go by what the bible actually says about slavery.
The fact that some abolitionists used parts of scripture to knock down other parts does not indicate that the bible's author is the arbiter of morality. Nor does it suggest that it's a terrific idea for human beings to consult a book in order to resolve moral questions like this.
The moment a person recognizes that slaves are human beings like himself, having the same capacity for pain and pleasure, he will understand that it is patently evil to own them and use them like farm equipment. It is remarkably easy for a person to arrive at this conclusion - and yet, it had to be spread at the point of a bayonet throughout the Confederate South.
Real morality, independent of the demented god of the bible, is what we use to tell the difference between the bad and the good contained in the "Good Book."
[edit: damn this quote system! btw, I'm paraphrasing Sam Harris with much of the above]

>> ^JiggaJonson:

@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/shinyblurry" title="member since January 21st, 2011" class="profilelink">shinyblurry @<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/jonny" title="member since July 10th, 2007" class="profilelink">jonny
Even if jonny thinks he can be moral without god, and you think you can, it doesnt change the fact that god cannot grant a rule any more power or significance than it already has intrinsically.
For example: It's wrong to murder.
Now if I say "Why is it wrong to murder?"
You saying "Well god says it's wrong" doesn't MAKE it wrong to murder.
Try it in reverse to illustrate:
It's right to murder, everyone you come across should be murdered.
Now I say, "Wait that's not right, you shouldn't end another person's life!"
And you say "Well god says it's right to murder."
^THAT doesn't all of a sudden make it right to murder (maybe in your mind, but maybe I'm talking to the wrong guy) So when it comes to morality, god really is irrelevant.
A rule is only as good as its intrinsic quality.
p.s.
I never liked the ceo/king analogy in the first place, it makes huge assumptions about the existence of god.


Correct, JiggaJ. I'd like to add a related point that slavery, which the entire civilized world now agrees is an abomination, was wholly endorsed by god, the author of the bible.

The only real restraint god provides on the subject of slavery is that we not beat our slaves so severely that we injure their eyes or their teeth (Exodus 21). Nowhere in the new testament does Jesus object to the practice of slavery. It even tells slaves to serve their masters well. Obviously, this is not the kind of moral insight that put an end to slavery in the United States.

Shiny may remind us that abolitionists also drew inspiration from the bible. I have no doubt they did. People have been cherry-picking the bible for millennia to justify their every impulse, moral and otherwise. This does not mean that accepting the bible to be the word of god is the best way to discover that abducting and enslaving men, women, and children is morally wrong. It obviously isn't...if you go by what the bible actually says about slavery.

The fact that some abolitionists used parts of scripture to knock down other parts does not indicate that the bible's author is the arbiter of morality. Nor does it suggest that it's a terrific idea for human beings to consult a book in order to resolve moral questions like this.

The moment a person recognizes that slaves are human beings like himself, having the same capacity for pain and pleasure, he will understand that it is patently evil to own them and use them like farm equipment. It is remarkably easy for a person to arrive at this conclusion - and yet, it had to be spread at the point of a bayonet throughout the Confederate South.

Real morality, independent of the demented god of the bible, is what we use to tell the difference between the bad and the good contained in the "Good Book."

[edit: damn this quote system! btw, I'm paraphrasing Sam Harris with much of the above]

I can't believe this because, well, I might be demented but I find this to be really funny. At least the first one had me laughing.

fuck me.
i always miss these things and therefore the opportunity to be a total dickwad.
fisk?
love him.he is the only person who begs for phone-pic shots of my cock.considering i am a decaying meatsack with graying ball hair this has always tickled me (get the reference.i am a clever monkey) but now that i think about it..that makes fisk one very disturbed motherfucker but that wont stop me from sending him pictures of my cock.
you gloriously demented fucker you.

Demented?

I'm not pretending to know the mind of Gurbles, friend.

Disinformation, obfuscation and aggression might seem like a good idea in a right wing 'ends justify means' kind of way.

If you want to know where the left gets it tactics, find Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. It's the blueprint or our community organizing telepromptesident and Hillary.

Left, you care about equality--your brand of equality--at the expense of truth. That is why you deserve to fail at all times.



>> ^cosmovitelli:

"For all I know, I'm the only "resistance" you meet all day to liberal brainwashing. How 'bout a hug?"
Well I FINALLY understand what powers QM's demented nonsense. And it could have been worse.
But QM - Goebbels honestly thought he was trying to help. Disinformation, obfuscation and aggression might seem like a good idea in a right wing 'ends justify means' kind of way.
But it really does make you the villain. Sorry.

"For all I know, I'm the only "resistance" you meet all day to liberal brainwashing. How 'bout a hug?"

Well I FINALLY understand what powers QM's demented nonsense. And it could have been worse.

But QM - Goebbels honestly thought he was trying to help. Disinformation, obfuscation and aggression might seem like a good idea in a right wing 'ends justify means' kind of way.

But it really does make you the villain. Sorry.

>> ^vaporlock:

Demented. The Bahrain governments days are numbered. How do these soldiers and politicians sleep at night.


They sleep comfortably on a pillow of American Dollars.

Demented. The Bahrain governments days are numbered. How do these soldiers and politicians sleep at night.

Tags for this video have been changed from 'cinema, film, iris dement, appalachian, mountain music, folk, traditional' to 'Songcatcher, Iris Dement, Pretty Saro, Appalachia, mountain music, folk, traditional' - edited by jonny

That's not demented, it's fricken' awesome!

What a couple of sheer assholes. The lady is clearly undergoing dementia. She might not be able to speak. If I came along and found two idiots laughing at my lost demented relative and filming it to put on the internet, I'd smash the fucking phone into their temples so hard they would lose the ability to speak.

This isn't funny at all blankfist. Posting it under comedy is either a troll fail or you really are a fucking idiot who thinks shivering confused old people being mocked is funny. Not that I'm judging. Kisses.

The section from :37 to :44 is eerie. That freaky, oh-so-slight head tilt and stare makes her look like the most demented news anchor I've ever seen...or an owl. I can't decide.

Unsure whether this sort of talk is fair or not? Do what I do.

Substitute the terms Gay and Homosexual (and their variants) with "left-handed."

Being a lefty occurs in as naturally a way as being gay. And being left-handed is not a choice. My sister was born left-handed but her parents and her teachers forced her to switch (for some demented reason) and now, her handwriting is utterly indecipherable. My point here is that being left-handed and being gay have many similarities.

Let's try it out.

New York GOP gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino criticized lefties, saying he didn't want children thinking "left-handedness is an equally valid or successful option."

Horkeimer always sounded like a demented pirate to me. And that computerized rendition of Debussy hurts my ears.

But upvote for astronomy goodness!