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Climatologist Emotional Over Arctic Methane Hydrate Release

newtboy says...

These methane clathrate (methane hydrate/hydromethane) deposits have been releasing both under the ocean and from permafrost melt for years now...with the rate of their melt release increasing exponentially.
Pound for pound, the comparative impact of CH4 on climate change is more than 25 times greater than CO2 over a 100-year period.
For those of you who are religious....this is the 'burning seas' you would expect from the apocalypse, because the pockets of gas coming from the ocean are highly flammable, even explosive.
This is why I have said for over a decade that there's absolutely no chance to avoid human extinction along with a world wide extinction of most of life. Once the methane started bubbling up from the sea floor, any chance of stopping the change was gone, and that was a while ago and we've done absolutely nothing but increase the amount of greenhouse gasses we produce. The ocean responds quite slowly to climate change, so there's nothing that can be done now that it's warm enough to release the methane, even if we stopped producing all greenhouse gasses today.

This is game over, people, game over. A massive methane release will have almost immediate effects and could double the entire temperature rise since the industrial revolution almost overnight. When (not if) that happens, say goodbye to nature both on land and in the seas.
The above number, 80% of life on earth vanished, is misleading. 80% of species were lost completely forever, 98% of all biomass died, so of the 20% of species that were left, only 10% of their population survived. Humanity won't.
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newtboy says...

My original thought was maybe a frozen methane hydrate, it didn't behave like a pure liquid.

From http://worldoceanreview.com/en/wor-1/ocean-chemistry/climate-change-and-methane-hydrates/
-Methane hydrates belong to a group of substances called clathrates – substances in which one molecule type forms a crystal-like cage structure and encloses another type of molecule. If the cage-forming molecule is water, it is called a hydrate. If the molecule trapped in the water cage is a gas, it is a gas hydrate, in this case methane hydrate.
Methane hydrates can only form under very specific physical, chemical and geological conditions. High water pressures and low temperatures provide the best conditions for methane hydrate formation.

AeroMechanical said:

I dunno that I buy the liquid methane claim. Maybe in part, and on review whatever it is is clearly extremely cold, but that much of it seems like it would be incredibly dangerous to set alight. Could you dilute it with something non-reactive that has a similar boiling point? Argon?

Dammit, where are all the sift chemistry experts when we need them?

Amazing Footage: Is The Gulf Sea Floor About To Explode?

budzos says...

"Giant methane bubbles" is the "medical marijuana" of the methane clathrate gun hypothesis issue. Meaning, there is a HUGE danger looming from the thawing of frozen methane in the oceans. But every fucking Alex Jones nitwit on the planet is now going on about huge methane bubbles causing spectacular tsunamis... tsunamis are not the fucking issue! Giant bubbles are not the issue!

Gradually accelerating thaw of methane clathrates on the contintental shelves creating a runaway upwards trend in global temperatures is the danger... methane is like CO2 on steroids.

Anyways, this video, my third reason today to despise most people (and their tendency to see what they want to see).

Homeopathy technobabble orgie

spoco2 says...

Ok, I just have to comment as I watch...

Don't you love it when some completely debunked and bullshit 'science' like this or creationism tries to pretend that real scientists have 'taken an interest in' or are in any way taking seriously their 'science'... please, they don't care about your bullshit.

Holy shit this is brilliant... 'Self Replicating Hydrate Clathrates'... man... that really is worthy of Star Trek. (And I know, well, now anyway, that Clathrates are real, but not in any relation to homeopathy)

And I love how they throw in some real words (electrons, neutrons etc.) so those listening go 'oh, yeah, I've heard about those, so the rest must be real too'... grrr.

Holy shit... she really tried to spout off science and then threw in 'God, in his infinite wisdom'... holy shit these guys are full of it.

And then... WhhhhaaaAAA? The definition of disease is what now? "We have transformed our energy state into something different"... that's a definition of disease is it? riiiight.

Argh, homeopathic 'medicine' is no more radioactive than water... because that's all it is, water and sugar, or water and lactose... it's no more radioactive than that.

So... this video can just get you enraged, because it's full of mumbo jumbo... I do prefer James Randi's presentation on homeopathy, as it eloquently shows what they believe and why it's utter, utter, utter, utter rubbish.

Homeopathy technobabble orgie

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Holy Grail of Energy?

Holy Grail of Energy?

geo321 says...

Are you talking about Fracking? Or AKA Hydrolic Fracturing?>> ^budzos:
Hear me and remember this: Although solar is the logical move, we're going to see many nations start up large-scale methane extraction plants along the contintental shelves. We'll need better catalytic converters, but I'm sure that will be worked out (I hope).
The method for extracting useable methane from clathrate deposits? You pump CO2 into the ice. So it's going to be easy to paint it as a green solution. Trust me on this one...
There is a major danger of massive methane eruptions, think city-sized volumes of methane suddenly erupting from the ocean floor and becoming part of the atmosphere. Aside from that I think it might be the thing that lets internal-combustion fueled capitalism thrive long enough to completely fuck our species.

Holy Grail of Energy?

budzos says...

Hear me and remember this: Although solar is the logical move, we're going to see many nations start up large-scale methane extraction plants along the contintental shelves. We'll need better catalytic converters, but I'm sure that will be worked out (I hope).

The method for extracting useable methane from clathrate deposits? You pump CO2 into the ice. So it's going to be easy to paint it as a green solution. Trust me on this one...

There is a major danger of massive methane eruptions, think city-sized volumes of methane suddenly erupting from the ocean floor and becoming part of the atmosphere. Aside from that I think it might be the thing that lets internal-combustion fueled capitalism thrive long enough to completely fuck our species.

Burning Methane From Frozen Lake

jwray says...

>> ^Farhad2000:
Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas. It is naturally released from the Arctic, although the release rate is accelerating rapidly due to Arctic shrinkage which is believed to be a result of global warming. Large quantities of methane are stored in the Arctic in permafrost, natural gas deposits and as submarine clathrates. Methane is also transported to the region in rivers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_release
I expect someone to find this eventually and claim this is a great thing because its a new energy source for America to exploit.


Methane doesn't last long in the atmosphere because of the excess oxygen. It's not a major long-term threat because of it's effective half-life of 8 years.

Burning Methane From Frozen Lake

Burning Methane From Frozen Lake

Farhad2000 says...

Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas. It is naturally released from the Arctic, although the release rate is accelerating rapidly due to Arctic shrinkage which is believed to be a result of global warming. Large quantities of methane are stored in the Arctic in permafrost, natural gas deposits and as submarine clathrates. Methane is also transported to the region in rivers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_release

I expect someone to find this eventually and claim this is a great thing because its a new energy source for America to exploit.

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