lol if your mornic enoughf to belive in anny of the litraly religoins then anny scentific evidence wont change annything .

there is absaluty no solid scentitfic evidence for people having gardeain angels and spirits , yet thousends of people still belive in it , people evan belive in things that have been catagoricly disproven by science , such as evalutoin not existing.

so , no it wont change annything , if annything its realy thick to say "no room left for god" i mean there has been no room left for a fucking christain god for the last 200 or so years.

and as for no room left for a diast typ god , random entity well you could never disprov eor prove that evan if u knew exactly how th euniverse was formed or had all the scentific knowlage from our perspective , because you will always have room to say "Well god exsists in another universe and he is reposnable for making out universe and our rules.

I think the conflict lies here

if you are doing what he says , which is to not follow a given moral code that is passed to you from some entity , then you are esentualy uaing avalable data and logic to determin each actoin , so in essence you are doing exactly what sam harris was talking about , which is saying you use the best evidence and logic avalable at anny given piont in time to make a dessisoin.


I dont think sam harris was necaccerly advocating that science "publish" morals that you then follow , you would hope that a socity would be educated and knowlageable to the exstent that its not a case of just doing what scientists tell you , its a case of after reading the scentific data on the subject you would simply come to the same conclusoin , and so would everyone as it would be repeatable as the most logical actoin to take for annyone.


Ethor way anny non moron retard currently operates in that way for the most part , however there are obvouse socail pressuers that have to be wayed into things , if im an indavidual that lives with 5 fundi christains to a degree it might be more productive to conform to soemthing they are doing bassed of supersitoin.

or if u are gay and live in IRAN it would probably best to keep the fact that u see there been no issue in homosexuality secret , given that no productivty would come from you getting hung , u might as well keep it hidden move to another country and then protest from afar , or work within the country subversively changing things.

Except that without religion, man would still be a dictator of equal evil. They would just use something like race or such. Religion was made by people, not the other way around.

If this was to just prove god doesn't exist, duh. But if this is to explain Christainity fails, it fails itself. You must go back to the source of the matrix baby!

well if when he was saying omg he was actualy meaning it as a slur against his god , then within his own argument he would be blasfeming and going against christains .

but from the sounds of it when he used OMG he waas using it as it is comonly used where its meaning has nothing to do with actual god or a specifc god.

so realy its retarded to say its blasfimus.

evan if u ment it litraly in a religouse sence , i dont see how the saying dose annything to bellitel god.

all in all this is just another example of a person that has littel ablity to think things through and as a result has been exsploited by a religoin . 10 pionts

>> ^NordlichReiter:
It wasn't under god until 1954. These idiots who think it was need a fucking lesson in history.


I think the guy who was full of bs meant that we were founded on Christain blah-blah beliefs or some such nonsense.

Well, our founders ran from persecution--not toward it. So no, we were not founded on religion or beliefs. We did have religious leaders but that is the extent of god in our nation's creation.

However, that doesn't change the fact that the way history is taught outweights what history really is... To the victor goes the past. Rome was a great example of that... Sorry, I am just rambling... You have a great point Nord... Our "new" history is being rewriten even though we should know its wrong.

>> ^kronosposeidon:
It's getting harder and harder for me to watch these nutjobs spew their religious idiocy. I watched this video earlier today, so between these two I can just feel my IQ draining.
Have you ever had an argument with these people about science and/or the Bible? I have, but it's been a while. I'm getting older, so I've got to be more protective of my brain cells these days.


Actually, I (An atheist,) just had an "argument" last night during a few drinks with a Christian (Although you said nutjobs, you did not quite define what nutjobs completely entails. Only the guy in the video? Or perhaps most Christains?) It was fantastic! He and I basically agreed on everything---from the bible being written by man and the bible always being wrong in some way or another, to his complete illogical faith. I pointed out that EVERYONE has illogical faith though---I mean why would I insult him for something EVERYONE DOES? Faith in your spouse? He / She will let you down. Faith in medicine? Still going to die (Albeit a bit older.) Faith in that condom? Ouch, child support! Cancer patient with faith? Going to take you longer and cause you more pain---enjoy your brutal, faithful death!

People who I cannot stand to argue with are f-ing smartass atheists who blame religion for EVERY ill or stupidity that befalls mankind. Those people are just D-U-M, dumb! I don't mind when ideological atheists call out religion in certain instances. For example, the Pope’s insistence on telling Africans not to use condoms. What a psycho! However, not every bad thing is bred from religion. For instance, this guy in the video is an idiot speaking to children. However, he would be an idiot with or without religion. The only difference is he would find some other way to brainwash and control children... Our woes would still be around with or without religion---obviously stupidity will be around so long as humans have the DNA they do.

>> ^deathcow:
> the Dag household has been TVless for going on 11 years.
TV isn't all shit you know...



So for all ya folks who took some sort of offense at the idea that I believe folks here are morons??? Gert real. Only a few of you are indulging that outer moron screaming to go back in. As I have maintained here on the site for some time, after having to stomach the ceaseless editorializing about what should be common-sense moral and ethical questions, the fine-points of God VS No God according to fucking GARP, and the attention to political bullshit rhetoric paid when the proper AND reasonable human response to the condition of the same in the world is to SHUT IT THE FUCK OFF, AND THROW ALL THOSE SICK MOTHERFUCKERS OUT, TELEVISION, and the propaganda and newspeak that disguises itself as reality thereon, is a major reason this place has become a clearing house for the mentally ill, sexually frustrated, and the "who wants to see my douchebag" crowd. The latter I would venture to guess, were not raised on the programming coming out of the cathode ray shitstain exclusively( your retarded parents who raised you were), but on a combo-platter of Internet foolishness, Telly, videogames, porn, and a cadre of dysfunctional fuck-ups, lovingly referred to as, "Parents." Sorry, just calling it the way any reasonable soul should see it-ALL COMPLETE DIVERSIONS DESIGNED TO ROB HUMANS OF LIFE....and the freedom to fuck anything they want.

Society is in flux, ever changing, and becoming more non-linear with each passing second. The CHALLENGE we all face as humans being, with a view to self-conscious awareness, is to see through the muck created by living in a world where some men struggle to maintain dominance over others while others simply wish to be, is to rise above the fucking illusion and embrace the essence of the shit, prior to having to check out of the place. Always has been, always will be.

GeoPolitics is the illusion created by those first types of fucking assholes, the fucks who would tell me, of all people, what they should and shouldn't, can't and can do. Fuck You, I can decide that for myself, and if I had a clan, or a tribe, for about 50 others.... Fuck it, make it a hundred...we need people that like to dig holes and plant stuff. Religion? Religions are a good thing.They give us all something to aspire to, whatever the fuck that may be. Including Scientology and born-again Christains. Clever bunch of folks dreamed that shit up, more power to em. Greed and power got the best of most of em, and they turned douchebag real quick....that's the nature of mankind struggling to admit that they don't want to fuck themselves in their own ass. Most fail miserably and DON'T end up fucking that tender rusty sheriff's badge a few times.

Now to the douchebags who still don't have a clue, after all my work here to convince them otherwise....GET A FUCKING LIFE ALREADY! Stop trying to figure out why I say and do what I do here to stir up shit, and look in a fucking mirror, when the assumptions and accusations begin to fly-You are me and I am you...end a-fucking story.

Namaste, peace, the Virgin Mary wants to skull fuck you all while L. Ron watches, and good night....And THAT'S, the end of the news. we now return you to your regularly programmed schedule.

Jigga, I hate anything that gets run the fuck into the ground....Like videos of Obama, Palin, TYT, Atheism vs how stupid Christains are, and especially, white people trying so hard to be funny, that they turn another shade of white in the process. OH, and anything that comes from a major news outlet...

I apologize, I would revisit the argument should you link the thread....my love for the more colorful and ill-perceived/received coloratura otherwise known as the "naughty" words in the lexicon, stems from having been in and then out and then back into the bible-belt, where born-again Christains who fancy themselves enlightened shy away from such words. In fact, it's like acid in their ears and minds when they hear them..

Simple rebellion regarding the mores and societal dysfunction of the country and planet I hail from....I am becomming more and more asshoelish as I get older...like any oldster

In reply to this comment by JiggaJonson:
Thanks for the downvote. Classy.

Oh and im still waiting for a reply on that argument you made about swearing being a part of the language. Were your words performing their desired function? Who were you trying to offend with your comments?

well in some ways he is right , why stop at helth care why is it ok for rich people to live in nice houses and pore to live in shit ones?

it would be ok if gaining welth was skill and effort bassed ,

in reality gaining wealth is due to parents having money / being of reasonable education , and luck.
yes some people get welthy though hard work and determinatoin but that is very rare , if you are brought up in a shit naborhood with shit parents and a shit educatoin its statisticly very unlikely that you will make decent mony.


in the end its not aceptable for one person to liv ein comfort whalst those around him suffer evan more so when that person has a rediculouse amount of surpluss welth. the biggest irony is that these concervative typs are often christains , funny how they ignore the parts of the bible that would require them to share what they have and live as basic men.

its blatent that the kid was just dawing it becuse its what u sell all over the place in a christain socity.

but still dead guy on a cross is quite cultish , I mean what if he drew dead people hanging from trees, or witches burning , or a guy getting head cut off with a gulatine.

ether way you cannot be ignorant of the idoitic cultral context that most people were probably christain in that country , so you should just explain to the kid how others might think its weard , but also accept that kids will draw pictures of what they see or are told about.

lol I love how the christains bring up nazies repeatedly.

The difference between being a fundamental atheist (even though I don't think the word fundamental can really apply to an atheist) and a fundamental Christian is that an atheist dose not then go on to do other things because of a lack of belief in god , they are not following a text or instructions.

>> ^peggedbea:
^ no.
money, power, territory, control (and the backlash of those oppressed by power and control) are the CAUSES of war. religion is simply the motivator. and the means used to manipulate underlings into fighting the wars.
religion= a means for control. power is the ends, money is power and territory is money.


many religions allow for people to be racist and have an excuse for it.
many religions are a celebration of faith, faith allows for grate evil.


I'm pretty sure that there are and have been many people who if they were not religious would have not done the evil they did. (There will also be many people who have done good in the name of religion however I would argue that those people who did good would have done it if they were atheist)

ether way there will be no people that have done evil or good specificly from being an atheist.

for example many religions specifcly tell the followers of them how to behave and what to do ,
atheism dose not tell anyone to do anything it is simply the lack of a belief in something. from that lack of belief they are then open to deduce things for themselves that that belief would have otherwise blocked. they are then free to ignore all the evils of religion and concentrate on the good if they so want to.

having a belief in many of the religions out there is like catching a virus that pollutes your ability to think. as a direct result of being religious and subscribing to religious texts you are far more likely to do harm or make bad dessisons than sum one who evaluates things on the available evidence using scientific principals and logic.

BTW an athist can still be sum one that makes terrible desisoins and applies no scientific principles or logic to there thought.

Its just a fact that on the current available evidence beliving in a christain , islamic, jewish, mormon, scentoligy , greek, god or gods is paintently stupid.

people get locked into religious thought instead of bettering there minds or being open to new ways of thinking about things.

Well Its only a problem if as a business the hotel for example refused to serve the Muslims bassed on something that was not founded. in the same way that a hotel should get into a truble if it would not let kids or disabled people stay.

people should be alowed to say muhamid is a fucking retarded , or that juses is stupid , or that atheists are morons , I don't see why it matters what people say to each other. the only time its a problem is if sum one wont provide the bisiniess service because of say skin colour , religion , clothing , anny other random thing . only time a bisiness is in the right is if there is an obvouse impact to helth and safty or they cannot accommodate the person without a serous deficit to there business.

also when it comes to directly insulting people surly it would come down to which person was in the right from an objective stand point , in the case of an argument over religion , there is no evidence to support the Muslims claims /christains claims so it be like arguing something thats entiraly subjective so they r efectivly both in the wrong by default.

Lol just look how irrational and fucked christains can be , Really obvious evidence that faith dose not heal + the fact there have been loads of duble blind tests + societies with less faith are often healthier. and yet you have people beliving in faith and there specific god and book thats full of shit. we should send all these people to north Korea they should be fine with it as god will protect them and it would have been the will of god anny way.