>> ^ReverendTed:
My complaint is that this isn't a very good demonstration of the butterfly effect. In this example, the player's decision only impacted whether or not the player got to participate in a huge battle. To really demonstrate the butterfly effect, they'd need a counterpoint, say:
If the player chose to fly on by, the "friendly gang" would have stopped to battle the pirates, and by diverting from their path would not have been detected by the rival conglomerate, and the large-scale battle would not have occurred.


I guess they were saying that if the player hadn't saved that ship, the ship would have been destroyed and then would not have subsequently been spotted by the enemy who sent a freaking armada after it for some reason.

It's a clever marketing approach given the sort of geeky audience they're after. Of course the reality is quite the opposite, the common feeling with MMOs is that you never effect anything. All you do is run through the same scripted missions that have been played by others millions of times, and engage in endlessly repeating deathmatches.

The best you could aspire to is to frack up some small sub sector of the economy as Diogenes did.

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You don't need one realm to see the same effects. If you think about it, Videosift, Youtube, each particular MMO, and any other similar online "location" that pulls a portion of the real world into a persistent virtual one, experiences the same butterfly effects displayed in this commercial.

Personally, when it comes to massive online games, I like the casual (with possibility of hardcore) element of browser RTS's like Tribal Wars, Travian, Ikariam, and OGame. I think I'm officially done with EVE, WoW, and the like. If you have never experienced the browser MMORTS genre, check it -- changed my life forever.

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I will never have enough time to devout to a MMO (well, maybe when I retire in many moons), but this is about the first ad to make me want to give one a go.


Oh, and Nithern... sorry to be a grammar nazi, but it's YOU'RE in every case you used it but one. 'your a noob' = 'you are a noob' = 'you're a noob'.

It's quite painful to read (the one case it isn't you're is 'dump your dwarf').

I get doing it once as a slip, but it's not that hard... any place you could write you are = you're, any place you can't = your. (well, there's also yore, but that doesn't really come up as much)

Everyone makes mistakes, but repeatedly doing that one (as well as they're, their and there) demonstrates just not knowing how it works.

I know I'm a dick for saying it, but man it is annoying to read it over and over.


then my comments must make YOUR head explode!
let me apologize for the exploding head.i r the run-on sentence KING!

>> ^ReverendTed:
My complaint is that this isn't a very good demonstration of the butterfly effect. In this example, the player's decision only impacted whether or not the player got to participate in a huge battle. To really demonstrate the butterfly effect, they'd need a counterpoint, say:
If the player chose to fly on by, the "friendly gang" would have stopped to battle the pirates, and by diverting from their path would not have been detected by the rival conglomerate, and the large-scale battle would not have occurred.


A real "butter-fly effect" would have been if the decision made in Eve to help the lone miner had actually caused, by way of thousands of other random events, a tsunami in japan.

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My complaint is that this isn't a very good demonstration of the butterfly effect. In this example, the player's decision only impacted whether or not the player got to participate in a huge battle. To really demonstrate the butterfly effect, they'd need a counterpoint, say:
If the player chose to fly on by, the "friendly gang" would have stopped to battle the pirates, and by diverting from their path would not have been detected by the rival conglomerate, and the large-scale battle would not have occurred.

>> ^spoco2:
... sorry to be a grammar nazi, but it's YOU'RE in every case you used it but one. 'your a noob' = 'you are a noob' = 'you're a noob'.
It's quite painful to read (the one case it isn't you're is 'dump your dwarf').
I get doing it once as a slip, but it's not that hard... any place you could write you are = you're, any place you can't = your. (well, there's also yore, but that doesn't really come up as much)
Everyone makes mistakes, but repeatedly doing that one (as well as they're, their and there) demonstrates just not knowing how it works.
I know I'm a dick for saying it, but man it is annoying to read it over and over.


I think he was saying "your" instead of "you're" on purpose, to mimic the experience of dealing with chowderheads in an MMO. If you ever play one, your going to see that alot.

man that comment was "the butterfly effect" of sorts

Schmawy, you are doing no harm because your belief in a higher power does not affect your behavior, or at least, you don't vote or make political contributions based on your belief or spend time in Church.

Maher doesn't make the distinction, but I don't think the casual comfort you are taking falls under what he is talking about since you are not supporting an "organized religion". Or perhaps you are in ways you don't realize it. If you label yourself a Christian to others, that supports organized Christian agendas, albeit in a very small way (think butterfly effect).

I don't mind actual attack ads, but this one is soooo flimsy. It's like McCain saying sex ed fund = kindergarten pornography. It's just stupid.

How can you extrapolate the existance of abortion clinic shooters in the 90s to McCain's two votes. What else is in that bill? Was it going to pass anyways? Would a stupid bill that probably restricted freedoms prevent someone from shooting a doctor?

We already have laws. Probably federal laws. WTF does passing more laws ABOUT SHOOTING PEOPLE matter? Just enforce existing laws. So McCain voting NO was a butterfly effect that rippled through extremist groups and caused the shooting... huh? If you actually think there is any validity to this ad, please, please take a long look in the Hope mirror and ask yourself what the ponies and unicorn dreams have done to you. Imagine McCain put out this ad. And if you are a proponent of The Big Lie then fine. If you think this is part of a lie strategy that Obama will repeat often enough until it becomes true than fine. As it is, it's a lame sad lie.

Anyways Jed Lewison is the lowest dirty tricks arm of the Obama 527 web coalition. We have enough Rove's and don't need another wannabe who was ex-Hill staffer.

the "butterfly effect" working right in front of our eyes

This and Star Blazers were my introduction to Japanese animation.

My brother and I used to get up at 6AM to watch this on Saturday mornings on NBC when it first ran back in the early 80s. Growing up with American cartoons where no one ever got seriously hurt (think GI JOE), I can remember how shocked we both were when we realized this was a cartoon where people were actually dying. The biggest shock was when Roy Fokker died. We were like "Wait, this is a cartoon. A main character actually died in a cartoon?!?" We both thought it was the coolest thing ever. It was like, finally, they're not treating us like stupid little kids anymore. We can handle serious issues too.

It might not be the greatest animation series ever or anything, but it will always hold a special place in my heart. In a strange "butterfly-effect" sort of way it changed my life. Trying to find similar "serious" cartoons I stumbled on to the then completely unheard of world of anime through a Japanese friend--Gundam, Dragonball, etc. The more I learned about Japan, the more I fell in love with the Japanese language and culture. Eventually I wound up living in Tokyo for a time and later getting my BA in Japanese. Very strange to trace the beginnings of that odyssey to a Saturday morning cartoon.