Things I think we agree on......

Trump is a disaster.
Bias in media, especially news media, detracts from facts being clear and is a bad thing. (We disagree strongly which outlets display what levels of bias....even on which outlets can be properly called news).


I would rather share a foxhole with someone who will disagree with me civilly than someone who either agrees with me constantly or can't be civil, it makes for better conversation, the main entertainment in foxholes, so yes.

Good thing there is no bias in media.

Except for Bush because the lamestream, liberal media was out to get him, right?

Just stop. Sarah Palin has said some ridonculous stuff that is brain numbingly moronic for presidential candidate, and it has nothing to do with gaffes or the media being "out to get her".

This isn't a gaffe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txfqWzGMgm

She doesn't have a freaking clue what she's talking about. Or this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rXmuhWrlj4

Can't name a single Supreme Court case she disagrees with?! Seriously?! She says any that takes away the states' right to determine their own laws. So Brown vs. Board of Education? Plessy V. Ferguson? Baily V. Patterson? Loving v. Virginia? Can't name a single one, huh? I totally get why she wouldn't name any of the above because of the political fallout, but then don't say idiotic stuff like any court case that infringes on states' rights is bad. She's not a moron. She's just not smart enough to be President, pure and simple.

>> ^bobknight33:

All Quaumtum was doing
is pointing out the blatant Bias the media has. He correctly points out that time after time after time after time after time the current fool called the president gets a pass every times he fucks up.
But the media will dog Palin on every opportunity they can.
When will you get your self absorbed heads out your asses and see the truth? You heads have been up you asses so long you all think you shit doesn't stink.

>> ^ponceleon:
Really quantum?
Defending her just makes you a troll. Please. I like you more than Shiny right now, just take it back and we can still be friends.

Holy crap man! Have you seen Fox News? (I'll bet you have.)

Again, I don't understand the need to deflect this to Obama as you guys are doing. I could give a SH!T about Obama. The issue is that this woman, no matter who she is or where she comes from, is an idiot! It wouldn't matter if she was running for the presidency or for a local city council.

The sad thing is that if she would either do a little research or broaden her talking points a little she could potentially ride her charisma and popularity to great heights (god help us all) but instead she talks and talks saying things that she thinks people want to hear with her mouth in drive and her brain in neutral. This makes me think her to be egotistical and lazy; "I don't need to prepare, the people love me and everything I say." No wonder the McCain campaign staff turned on her.

>> ^bobknight33:

All Quaumtum was doing
is pointing out the blatant Bias the media has. He correctly points out that time after time after time after time after time the current fool called the president gets a pass every times he fucks up.
But the media will dog Palin on every opportunity they can.
When will you get your self absorbed heads out your asses and see the truth? You heads have been up you asses so long you all think you shit doesn't stink.

>> ^ponceleon:
Really quantum?
Defending her just makes you a troll. Please. I like you more than Shiny right now, just take it back and we can still be friends.

All Quaumtum was doing

is pointing out the blatant Bias the media has. He correctly points out that time after time after time after time after time the current fool called the president gets a pass every times he fucks up.

But the media will dog Palin on every opportunity they can.

When will you get your self absorbed heads out your asses and see the truth? You heads have been up you asses so long you all think you shit doesn't stink.



>> ^ponceleon:

Really quantum?
Defending her just makes you a troll. Please. I like you more than Shiny right now, just take it back and we can still be friends.

@blankfist, I get what you're afraid of. I agree that what you're worried about is a serious issue, and something to be mindful of, but it isn't a new problem. It didn't spring into existence with the advent of Saturday morning cartoons, and it's certainly not the sole province of "collectivists" -- whoever those people are.

So, what should we do about it? Impugn the motives of any self-identified parent group that takes a stance on the content of children's programming? Try to make it seem like it's only the opposite end of the ideological spectrum that engages in it?

That seems cheap, and disingenuous.

Part of why I'm poking at you is because it's just sounding like another outcry against "liberal bias" in media. I know you well enough to say I don't think that's really all this is, but I'm getting that "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck" sensation, and wouldn't mind you dispelling it.

Really, I think your overall concern is propaganda.

I've honestly got no clue what we do about propaganda in the long run. Usually the liberal answer is "more education!", but that's exactly your concern -- that libruls are secretly indoctrinating kids so they're immune to right-wing propaganda.

I actually think propaganda is going to wind up being the greatest threat to humanity over the coming century. Our ability to properly filter signal from noise, now that we've suddenly plugged ourselves into this unfiltered global communication network is going to be key to our long term survival. I still want to believe that being plugged in that way is a good thing, but I'm noticing that people are increasingly choosing to live in a reality of their construction, complete with its own history, rather than the reality they actually inhabit.

That said, I welcome any solution you might have to the problem.