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Oh, and don't have a gun collection, but still can should I so choose, with very little effort.....From the country that brought the rest of the world Rock and Roll, tube amplifiers, Fender Stratocasters, Harley Davidsons, and Ronnie Barret's M82, FYVM!

Part of the love of firearms comes from positive associations with firearms. If we grew up with them in a positive light, then we are more likely to see them in a positive light. But when someone else demands that they be taken away (or at least the appearance of taking away) access to certain/all firearms, its taking away a part of the person.

In regards to quoting statistics of gun related deaths, I think the focus should be more on the violent mentality behind the death. The scenario I picture is one guy angry at another guy, so he does what he can to hurt the other guy. If he has a gun, he'll use it. If he has a knife, he'll use it. If he uses the gun, he may have a much greater chance of killing the other guy before his anger subsides. If he has a knife, his anger may subside before the other guy is dead. Put simply, the gun amplifies the effect of a violent mentality, murders may go down, but aggravated assaults may go up. The underlying violence is still there.

(USA Statistics)

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl20.xls

-Firearms take the lead for murders. Note these statistics do not include "justified manslaughter" what the legal system deemed to be deaths that were justified (ie self-defence)

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl21.xls

-For robberies, they look like the play a significant part but are still shared with others (I didn't really get into it as the numbers are a bit varied and I wanted to keep the post focused)

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl22.xls

-Aggravated assaults, firearms generally play a smaller role as compared to robberies or murders.

Nice, Amplifier video 4:15 to 4:30ish.

Of course. That's what makes something nationally relevant. It doesn't even have to affect me. It just needs to impact more than some kid in New Mexico or something (I already don't remember). I'm just saying this isn't national news. There isn't some national epidemic of cops brutalizing 10 year olds.

There could be an epidemic of police brutality, and certainly of racial profiling. A human interest piece covering systemic coverups, dirty departments, anything that involved actual digging could be considered actual national news. In fact, many have been run by the "corporate media" on things like stop-and-frisk, terrorist profiling, and even things like corporate prison labor. I, like most lefties, am interested in well researched stories of that sort. This isn't that. It's some regurgitated local sob story. Typically their fact checking is bullshit to boot.

In other words they amplify noise and partisan rhetoric rather than inform. The Economist or the Times they are not. It's usually fine that they do what they do, it's just that you shouldn't confuse it for something that it isn't, like news.

>> ^scheherazade:

That really speaks to the general state of selfish humanity.
If it isn't affecting me, then I don't care.
People not affected by the economic downturn, don't care about the recession.
People not affected by psycho police, don't care about police brutality.
Enough people are affected by the economy for there to be a lot that want to hear about it in the news.
Only some people are sacrificed to the police gods, so only some care to hear about that in the news.
(Although with 1% of our population in jail, and 1 in 30 in jail or on parole, 1 in 9 black males ages 20 to 34 in jail, it's not that small of an amount... and it's particularly sinister when these people are shoved into private jails that charge the public to hold the prisoners, and then charge the prisoners for their stay [as if it's a hotel], and use the prisoners for cheap labor that they sell to companies that don't want to hire people for livable wages, with solitary if you don't work for them. - on top of most people in jail being guilty of "crimes" that involved no one but themselves and have no harm.)
Ultimately, when it's you that's out of a job, the economy matters a lot.
And when it's you getting tazed, beat up, and charged with assault (oh the irony), then police brutality matters a lot.
The sentiment of "don't waste my time with your sob stories, we've got real problems (that affect me)", really goes all ways.
You could just as well read : "Who cares about your economy, when the government is taking my health and putting me away for no more than the entertainment/venting of a public employee".
-scheherazade

>> ^PlayhousePals:

Lucky that flimsy stage didn't collapse =o0


I think the loose planks amplify the tap sound.

If one of the goofier members of a web community finds a politician goofy, does it cancel out or amplify the goofy??

>> ^VoodooV:

I like how @shinyblurry admits to the power of suggestion, but clearly has decided one way.
Two things I found interesting is that in @mtadd's clip:
1) the chanting occurs right AFTER Ryan just gave a long speech, AND Romney props him up for it so it would certainly be reasonable for them to chant Ryan.
2) the audio is just plain shitty, though it is odd that right before the moment of interest occurs, the volume goes up (sadly, it just amplifies the shittiness of the audio instead of making things easier to hear). I can certainly see how you might think you hear Romney, but one thing that does stand out is that despite how similar their names sound in that context, you never hear the "ney" part of Romney's name in any of that chanting. Ryan Ryan, RomNEY, RomNEY. You just never hear any of that emphasis on that last syllable, which suggests they're saying Ryan.
In the end though, it just really doesn't matter and it just proves my previous post. They're going for the sensationalism. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. It's a manufactured controversy designed to stir people up. Just like the birther phenomenon, just like whatever it was in Bush's suit when he debated with Kerry. It's just like Fox getting caught encouraging and directing the tea party protests and making it seem like there were more there than there actually was. It's manufactured outrage.
The reality is that Romney is losing because he's boring and out of touch and he hasn't presented any concrete ideas and he needs Ryan to stir people up (gasp..more sensationalism vs substance, whoduvthunkit) It wouldn't matter if you caught MSNBC red-handed doctoring the video, it doesn't change the reality.
If anything, giving this controversy air time is still a net negative for Romney. You're just playing the same blame game the right is accusing Obama of. Doesn't make Romney look any better even if MSNBC held a press conference and admitted to a coverup. "And I would have won if it weren't for that meddling press" Ut oh Scooby Do!
You're picking at nits while the house is burning down all around you.
It's not an issue of left vs right, it's an issue of low ratings, or high ratings. end of story.


I decided to believe what the crowd was reported to say, as well as the people who were actually there said happened, and also what my ears hear:

@3:35 p.m.: Ryan pauses for a moment while the crowd begins to chant, “Romney, Romney, Romney …”

@3:36 p.m.: Mitt Romney begins speaking to the crowd. Asks them to chant, “Romney, Ryan; Romney, Ryan; Romney, Ryan …”

http://www.whiotv.com/news/news/setup-underway-for-romney-rally-at-airport/nSLFM/

Even the New York Times reported it accurately:

After Mr. Ryan whooped up the crowd in Vandalia on Tuesday, Mr. Romney moved to the front of the stage. As the crowd began chanting “Romney! Romney!” he cut them off.“Wait a second,” Mr. Romney said, instructing the audience to cheer for “Romney-Ryan! Romney-Ryan!” They did.

“There we go,” he said, pleased.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/26/us/politics/romney-and-ryan-to-start-campaigning-together-more-often.html?_r=2&

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/another-msnbc-scandal-blaze-readers-at-campaign-event-claim-network-misled-in-video-of-rally-chant/

As far as your commentary goes, I can agree with what you're saying generally. This is all about rearranging chairs on the deck of the titanic. You are speaking of some corporate conspiracy, I am speaking to the Satanic power behind the conspiracy. I just think it's interesting that the sift got a kick out of the clip as it was falsely portrayed, and aren't actually interested in what really happened.

I like how @shinyblurry admits to the power of suggestion, but clearly has decided one way.

Two things I found interesting is that in @mtadd's clip:

1) the chanting occurs right AFTER Ryan just gave a long speech, AND Romney props him up for it so it would certainly be reasonable for them to chant Ryan.

2) the audio is just plain shitty, though it is odd that right before the moment of interest occurs, the volume goes up (sadly, it just amplifies the shittiness of the audio instead of making things easier to hear). I can certainly see how you might think you hear Romney, but one thing that does stand out is that despite how similar their names sound in that context, you never hear the "ney" part of Romney's name in any of that chanting. Ryan Ryan, RomNEY, RomNEY. You just never hear any of that emphasis on that last syllable, which suggests they're saying Ryan.

In the end though, it just really doesn't matter and it just proves my previous post. They're going for the sensationalism. It doesn't matter if it's true or not. It's a manufactured controversy designed to stir people up. Just like the birther phenomenon, just like whatever it was in Bush's suit when he debated with Kerry. It's just like Fox getting caught encouraging and directing the tea party protests and making it seem like there were more there than there actually was. It's manufactured outrage.

The reality is that Romney is losing because he's boring and out of touch and he hasn't presented any concrete ideas and he needs Ryan to stir people up (gasp..more sensationalism vs substance, whoduvthunkit) It wouldn't matter if you caught MSNBC red-handed doctoring the video, it doesn't change the reality.

If anything, giving this controversy air time is still a net negative for Romney. You're just playing the same blame game the right is accusing Obama of. Doesn't make Romney look any better even if MSNBC held a press conference and admitted to a coverup. "And I would have won if it weren't for that meddling press" Ut oh Scooby Do!

You're picking at nits while the house is burning down all around you.

It's not an issue of left vs right, it's an issue of low ratings, or high ratings. end of story.

OK, I couldn't stop at just 12 minutes, now 27 minutes in and listening to Brian try to invent reasonings for still taking everything in the bible as written and to still be true is mind numbing...

I'm amazed that people in these positions can not see that they spend so much of their time creating loopholes and obtuse explanations to be able to keep their world view. How can they not stop for a minute and go

'Huh... you know, it seems I have to expend an awful lot of energy trying to create explanations against what seems so blatantly obvious... I have to stop any time I think of something that goes against the bible even though it makes sense. I have to stop and invent an excuse as to why the illogical thing in the bible is actually true instead of what seems so obvious and right.'
'Maybe I should give pause to continuing to believe in the bible if I have to spend so much time creating excuses for it'.

It's kind of like having a friend or relative that you know is a dick, but you keep making excuses for them despite that.

"No, yeah, I know he comes across as a bit dickish, but he has a good heart."
"Yes, I know he stoned your friend to death because he took the lord's name in vein, but that was done with love"

Coming from the side of rationality and compassion requires so much less work, doesn't require mental gymnastics, just one sentence.

"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you"

Or, as in the King James version of the Bible: "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise."

Holman Christian Standard Bible : "Just as you want others to do for you, do the same for them. "
God's word translation: "Do for other people everything you want them to do for you."
Amplified Bible: "And as you would like and desire that men would do to you, do exactly so to them"


I don't get how anyone can say that the Bible is the word of god.... which version? Which translation? Which edition? Which copy of the bible altered to suit the current rulers?

Def in the "meh, so what?" group. He used energy to put those dominos standing up like that... Gravity as potential energy isn't a big deal, like

You could do the same thing with a super huge spring and a series of pins as triggers.>> ^spoco2:

Things like this are just awesome. You've knocked over a tinsy, tiny little thing and that's led to the huge thing falling over. I think a lot of people go 'meh, so what?', without thinking about it properly, and how cool it really is

CIA Spokesperson: "We never saw it coming!">> ^rkone:

"If I had 29 dominos, the last domino would be as tall as the Empire State building"
Enjoy your ticket to Guantanamo.

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The last domino would have to be approximately 0.67x the size of the Empire State Building>> ^TheSluiceGate:

Someone build those 29 dominoes please....

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