Where's this Amanda Palmer...all I saw was Marilyn Manson.

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Wow I just read up some of the stuff on Silvio Berlusconi, how is he not in jail already. What about the drowned teenage gypsies though?
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>> ^aimpoint:

The background on wikipedia about it shows that a younger upcoming technician "predicted" the earthquakes using the less reliable radon measuring methods then went on TV to warn everyone. The old guard of the system called him an alarmist and put a gag order on him. Seems that this might have had an effect on people after the fact. Also seems like a script for a bad sci-fi movie.
Oh and because its Italy, the mafia is somehow involved.


I so rarely get any news about Italy but everything lately has been terrible. Let's take a look.

Amanda Knox trial: Good job idiots, don't need evidence just put everyone in jail.
Silvio Berlusconi: you brought that shit on yourself.
Ignoring the bodies of drowned teenage girls cause they're gypsies: Wow that takes the mother fucking cake, bunch of sad assholes, Italy should be blown the fuck up.

And now this. Everything I hear about Italy is fucking pathetic, and I'm mad about it. I'll protest my country later, we need to stop Italy now!



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1038747/The-world-shocked-Italian-sunbathers-ignoring-dead-gipsy-girls--But-Italy-showing-chilling-Roma-childr
en.html

copy and paste the link, it won't work otherwise.

Wow I just read up some of the stuff on Silvio Berlusconi, how is he not in jail already. What about the drowned teenage gypsies though?
In reply to this comment by Yogi:
>> ^aimpoint:

The background on wikipedia about it shows that a younger upcoming technician "predicted" the earthquakes using the less reliable radon measuring methods then went on TV to warn everyone. The old guard of the system called him an alarmist and put a gag order on him. Seems that this might have had an effect on people after the fact. Also seems like a script for a bad sci-fi movie.
Oh and because its Italy, the mafia is somehow involved.


I so rarely get any news about Italy but everything lately has been terrible. Let's take a look.

Amanda Knox trial: Good job idiots, don't need evidence just put everyone in jail.
Silvio Berlusconi: you brought that shit on yourself.
Ignoring the bodies of drowned teenage girls cause they're gypsies: Wow that takes the mother fucking cake, bunch of sad assholes, Italy should be blown the fuck up.

And now this. Everything I hear about Italy is fucking pathetic, and I'm mad about it. I'll protest my country later, we need to stop Italy now!

>> ^aimpoint:

The background on wikipedia about it shows that a younger upcoming technician "predicted" the earthquakes using the less reliable radon measuring methods then went on TV to warn everyone. The old guard of the system called him an alarmist and put a gag order on him. Seems that this might have had an effect on people after the fact. Also seems like a script for a bad sci-fi movie.
Oh and because its Italy, the mafia is somehow involved.


I so rarely get any news about Italy but everything lately has been terrible. Let's take a look.

Amanda Knox trial: Good job idiots, don't need evidence just put everyone in jail.
Silvio Berlusconi: you brought that shit on yourself.
Ignoring the bodies of drowned teenage girls cause they're gypsies: Wow that takes the mother fucking cake, bunch of sad assholes, Italy should be blown the fuck up.

And now this. Everything I hear about Italy is fucking pathetic, and I'm mad about it. I'll protest my country later, we need to stop Italy now!

RCMP Sgt. Peter Thiessen urges everyone to be "a responsible citizen of the Internet and think critically about information received online before passing it along.">> ^dag:

Evidently they got the wrong guy, too. http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012
/10/18/matt-gurney-anonymous-bullies-the-wrong-presumed-bully/
I think it would be better to post videos about this issue than the current (possibly erroneous) video from Anonymous.

Good conversation points Yogi.

Hurting people isn't a freedom of speech issue. He stalked her and tormented her. If he'd done it by distributing flyers it would still be criminal, not protected speech.

I don't think that vigilantism is justice, but when someone does something bad to someone else, IMO they give up the expectation that others won't do that same thing to them. In other words, while I wouldn't be the one who maliciously distributes his info, he has to accept that it's fair by virtue of his own actions.

Thanks for being honest and open about your feelings relating to judgement of her suicide. You've made most of my argument for me already, but I'll add a couple things. First, you say, "... I don't think words is a good enough reason." You say it like words are just painless electric signals produced in our brains from oscillations of our eardrums, and so shouldn't cause anxiety. I can't disagree more. I was bullied as a kid for two years, and looking back, I'm really thankful that it was almost all physical and exclusion. It hurt, and I felt powerless, but the people bullying me didn't spend a lot of effort attacking my character aside from calling me fag. They also didn't begin to ruin my social life by turning entire schools against me, even after moving. And even if it weren't that severe, to a teenager, any words that contain some ring of truth will stick. And teens are extremely self-conscious, so anything negative they will accept as probably accurate.

Second, you say, "...without good reason". The word "good" is itself a judgement. That guy told Amanda since she was 12 that she was never going to have any friends, and he had made sure of it. She had never known any other social reality, and it seemed like the torment was literally going to last forever. To a bullied 15-year-old, the time when things will be better is probably four years away. To me that's nothing, probably you neither. I'm going to be 40 in four years, and it feels like it's next door. Yet for me at 15, 19 was an imaginary concept. Having no friends at 15, in our primitive brains, equals certain death. It wasn't a logical decision any more than hooking up with some guy with a girlfriend who said he liked her.

Finally, and this isn't my strongest point here, you say that you went through hard times and never thought suicide was the answer. For you. You're not the yardstick the rest of the world is measured by. I could equally ask you why you didn't kill yourself when clearly Amanda thought it was the answer. People are just different.

Less to argue with you, and more to move along your internal debate.

As for me, I'm not exactly settled in my full opinion, but I can say I respect the decision to commit suicide. This article by Michael Landsberg about his friend, hockey player Wade Belak's suicide was formative for me. In it he says, "People kill themselves when the fear of living another moment outweighs the fear of dying at that moment." People with loving young families and without any "obvious" problems find reason to kill themselves. I have to acknowledge that reality in any personal opinion of suicide.>> ^Yogi:

This is a very sticky subject especially if you don't understand all the nuance. I mean it's about freedom or speech which Americans cherish rightly but it's also about not acting like a complete dick, which it seems most Americans still cherish. Now tormenting or abuse I think is much different than me coming on here and telling @Sagemind to go kill himself because he smells.
I'm not sure if I agree with Anon releasing this persons info either. Maybe it makes you feel good in the revenge center but is that really how we want justice to work?
Personally I also have an issue with someone who committed suicide. I'm still exploring it because I don't think it's right for me to tell someone how they should react to things, especially when given differences in upbringing or simple brain chemistry. I guess I'll just say that I think suicide is quitting, I don't like it and I don't really respect people that do it without good reason, and I don't think words is a good enough reason. This is my experience from my life of horror and feeling like utter shit a lot of the time. I never thought that ending it would be an answer and I don't necessarily understand those that do. Sorry I didn't want to cede the intellectual ground but I felt I had to be honest and maybe that'll start a conversation about how other people feel about people who commit suicide.

^Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.

One man didn't kill Amanda Todd; her stupid slut-shaming culture did.

Tough call.
One side of me says, Bullying this gut into ruin is no better that what has happened to Amanda.


The other om me says This Pedophile who destroyed not only a person's life, he knowingly preyed upon a minor whom he knew couldn't fight back physically or mentally should reap what he has sown.
This was not some petty bullying. This was a 30 year old adult blackmailing a minor for sexual purposes, destroying the life she had and subsequently, every life she had as she tried to rebuild until the awful day when she finally cracked and killed herself.

Plus he kept an online "jailbait folder of all the teens he had accumulated photos from.
"XXX.60.207.2/~jailbait/uploads/user.php?id=78621 ShareAll the images uploaded by kody1206" - Anonymous

Very funny, very ironic. funniest because it's true. It was designed to threaten. Anonymous knows this though, and don't play within the rules. I'm sure they've got a plan for keeping this live. While I don't believe in vigilante justice, I also believe that if you do something bad to someone, you waive the right to expect others not to do that same bad thing to you, at least not until you show sincere contrition.>> ^BoneRemake:

I find thid message extremely funny.
Ironic in a sense ?
"
This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy prohibiting content designed to harass, bully or threaten.
"

Amanda Todd's alleged tormentor named by Anonymous hacker group




http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=079_1350356899
http://motleynews.net/2012/10/14/anonymous-exposes-amanda-todds-extortionist/
http://pastebin.com/6W8Ssw3k

Amanda Todd's mother joins call for provincewide effort to end online bullying
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Amanda+Todd+case+Youth+advocate+calls+wide+effort/7391116/story.html

Amanda Todd's mother speaks out about her daughter, bullying (with video)
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Amanda+Todd+speaks+about+daughter+death/7384521/story.html

Amanda Todd tragedy draws impassioned response
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/amanda-todd-tragedy-draws-impassioned-response/article4612470/

Ah, Mike Hawk. Cousin to Mike Hunt, and husband to Amanda Hugginkiss.

You'd be hard pushed to call her ugly, but really Megan Fox just isn't that attractive to me. She just seems plastic. I keep expecting to find out she's actually CGI.

And only in Hollywood would Amanda Seyfried be cast as the unattractive friend.

i got ya once sifty recharges me>> ^chingalera:

Oh well, I tried!


i got ya once sifty recharges me