Look at him. Look at most of his students. Do they look well trained? No.

And btw: "Tai Chi(combat) Aikido(combat)"? What in the world have those two to do with your definition of combat?

The atmosphere I've encountered for aikido is one that tends to discourage competition, and favors personal growth and the growth of others. There are exceptions, of course, but from what I can tell, the drive to compete is just not a part of the art.

The basic elements of Aikido (what you saw the cop doing) are what is usually taught in class. However there are exercises that use this sort of magic hocus pocus movement to teach a student how to move. I never liked that, I rather the Japanese way of doing things: practice the basics over and over the rest will happen by itself.

Learning how to fall is important and being able to fall is important in a real world situation, so that you can come up ready to attack.

In some cases a teacher or student my throw themselves out of respect, or Fear, I do this on occasion when the most senior teacher does a technique. Because it usually involves pain.

In practice students do not compete, they do a technique over and over and eventually they can begin to compete.

If you think that stuff is crazy... you should see Aiki Jitsu (or jutsu) as I told JAPR I got warned (and almost dismissed) for laughing out loud when the instructor did a no touch pin.

In reply to this comment by dannym3141:
See that's the sort of think that makes me go "wow". I'm not looking for superman moves or anything, just something that works and isn't someone rolling over. This guy wouldn't be able to resist stuff like this because it's done with such force and speed that he hasn't time to, and if he did he'd have broken his own wrist.

Did you watch the video i posted? Because i insist that the 2-person take down shown first (i think, i only watched it once) was just a case of him moving his hands towards someone's face, and if you watch their feet, they literally throw themselves to the ground.

That's the stuff i think has no use. If there's a way to take down 2 people at once, then brilliant, i'm sure it takes a lot of skill and training and i'm sure it isn't pretty. But someone throwing themselves to the floor? That does the teacher no good and it does the pupil no good.

In reply to this comment by NordlichReiter:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Aikido-Tactical-handcuff-techniques-Interesting

Cop using aikido the way it was meant to be used and ... kinda funny.

That's the problem with demonstrations... is they are pretty and they do not explain the nitty gritty, this is due to the lack of hardcore trainees.

People wanna see flashy super moves that will make them supermen, but this is not how the real world is, and in the Ideal world we would win every time. But in the real world we never ever know what will happen.

EDIT: You should always be skeptical, and remain so because it gives you an edge.

I myself have no experience, though I have some friends into Judo and other such stuff. A good amount of Aikido is legit, but the stuff I always see seems to be so obsessed with form that they forget about practical application...especially the videos of Aikido instructed by Westerners, lol. That's cool stuff though, I really wish I had the time to start picking up something as a way to get some exercise and whatnot, but college and I don't get along none too well right now, haha.

In reply to this comment by NordlichReiter:
I have to agree with those Kokyunage(breath throw) like a ki ball. Most Kokyunage can be done more effectively with a goshinage. You think aikdio is bad... you should check out Aiki Jutsu... I was almost thrown out of the seminar for laughing out loud when he did a hocus pocus pin... with no hands.

In reply to this comment by JAPR:
>> ^NordlichReiter:
>> ^dannym3141:
Just looking on that above post, i saw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX-hGLuheDc&feature=related
How on earth is that taken seriously? I understand the intention of demonstrations, and how they can be changed or manipulated to suit a situation, however these people are simply falling over for him. He moves his hand towards them and then literally flop down like a house of cards.
The knife one was alright, and elements of it could definitely be used in a real situation.

That is Ukemi, and that is what gives Aikido a bad name. We could argue all day.
In a lot of these movements particularly sankyo nage there is immediate pain, and flopping down will let the other guy know that it hurts... like hell.
Ukemi is an integral part to practicing safely, in this way every one can live though 2 hours on the mat.
When you are more experienced you can go as fast as you like so long as you are ready for the injuries that will come with that.
In a real situation you do what you were trained to do, in my training I would reach for a weapon.


I believe he was mentioning the throws that were totally unrealistic, like the one where they each have two hands on an arm, and he just tosses them by swinging his arms and stepping forward. Most of Aikido is bullshit, learn Judo.

See that's the sort of think that makes me go "wow". I'm not looking for superman moves or anything, just something that works and isn't someone rolling over. This guy wouldn't be able to resist stuff like this because it's done with such force and speed that he hasn't time to, and if he did he'd have broken his own wrist.

Did you watch the video i posted? Because i insist that the 2-person take down shown first (i think, i only watched it once) was just a case of him moving his hands towards someone's face, and if you watch their feet, they literally throw themselves to the ground.

That's the stuff i think has no use. If there's a way to take down 2 people at once, then brilliant, i'm sure it takes a lot of skill and training and i'm sure it isn't pretty. But someone throwing themselves to the floor? That does the teacher no good and it does the pupil no good.

In reply to this comment by NordlichReiter:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Aikido-Tactical-handcuff-techniques-Interesting

Cop using aikido the way it was meant to be used and ... kinda funny.

That's the problem with demonstrations... is they are pretty and they do not explain the nitty gritty, this is due to the lack of hardcore trainees.

People wanna see flashy super moves that will make them supermen, but this is not how the real world is, and in the Ideal world we would win every time. But in the real world we never ever know what will happen.

EDIT: You should always be skeptical, and remain so because it gives you an edge.

I have to agree with those Kokyunage(breath throw) like a ki ball. Most Kokyunage can be done more effectively with a goshinage. You think aikdio is bad... you should check out Aiki Jutsu... I was almost thrown out of the seminar for laughing out loud when he did a hocus pocus pin... with no hands.

In reply to this comment by JAPR:
>> ^NordlichReiter:
>> ^dannym3141:
Just looking on that above post, i saw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX-hGLuheDc&feature=related
How on earth is that taken seriously? I understand the intention of demonstrations, and how they can be changed or manipulated to suit a situation, however these people are simply falling over for him. He moves his hand towards them and then literally flop down like a house of cards.
The knife one was alright, and elements of it could definitely be used in a real situation.

That is Ukemi, and that is what gives Aikido a bad name. We could argue all day.
In a lot of these movements particularly sankyo nage there is immediate pain, and flopping down will let the other guy know that it hurts... like hell.
Ukemi is an integral part to practicing safely, in this way every one can live though 2 hours on the mat.
When you are more experienced you can go as fast as you like so long as you are ready for the injuries that will come with that.
In a real situation you do what you were trained to do, in my training I would reach for a weapon.


I believe he was mentioning the throws that were totally unrealistic, like the one where they each have two hands on an arm, and he just tosses them by swinging his arms and stepping forward. Most of Aikido is bullshit, learn Judo.

Yeah, "real aikido" tries a little too much to be "cool aikido". I must admit the cool factor works in their demo though. Problem is, no one falls like that if he isn't trained to! On many of those techniques uke would fall like a rock to the ground with a broken shoulder/elbow/wrist. Doesn't make much of a show...

lol, this kind of pain-inducing techniques are exactly what aikido has not been (re)designed for. If you want to induce pain, do Daito-ryu jujutsu.

Moreover, trying to execute a technique by primarily inducing pain will not work on anesthetized suspects, as can happen with the use of psychoactive substances like alcohol and some other drugs. Also, that he lets go of the arm/elbow to squeeze the wrist before cuffing the suspect shows he's got no idea of what he's actually doing. And as kagenin pointed out, his ikkyo are not followed through to the ground and the suspect stays on his knees which is the second worst position you can stop a technique at, the worst being of course with the suspect standing (like he also does on some of the techniques). Also, I've seen zero atemi which is always a bad sign.

Of course, inducing pain will work on most people but if you encounter someone with impaired senses or with above average joint suppleness, your technique will likely get you into trouble.

>> ^NordlichReiter:
>> ^dannym3141:
Just looking on that above post, i saw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX-hGLuheDc&feature=related
How on earth is that taken seriously? I understand the intention of demonstrations, and how they can be changed or manipulated to suit a situation, however these people are simply falling over for him. He moves his hand towards them and then literally flop down like a house of cards.
The knife one was alright, and elements of it could definitely be used in a real situation.

That is Ukemi, and that is what gives Aikido a bad name. We could argue all day.
In a lot of these movements particularly sankyo nage there is immediate pain, and flopping down will let the other guy know that it hurts... like hell.
Ukemi is an integral part to practicing safely, in this way every one can live though 2 hours on the mat.
When you are more experienced you can go as fast as you like so long as you are ready for the injuries that will come with that.
In a real situation you do what you were trained to do, in my training I would reach for a weapon.


I believe he was mentioning the throws that were totally unrealistic, like the one where they each have two hands on an arm, and he just tosses them by swinging his arms and stepping forward. Most of Aikido is bullshit, learn Judo.

http://www.videosift.com/video/Aikido-Tactical-handcuff-techniques-Interesting

Cop using aikido the way it was meant to be used and ... kinda funny.

That's the problem with demonstrations... is they are pretty and they do not explain the nitty gritty, this is due to the lack of hardcore trainees.

People wanna see flashy super moves that will make them supermen, but this is not how the real world is, and in the Ideal world we would win every time. But in the real world we never ever know what will happen.

EDIT: You should always be skeptical, and remain so because it gives you an edge.

>> ^dannym3141:
Just looking on that above post, i saw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX-hGLuheDc&feature=related
How on earth is that taken seriously? I understand the intention of demonstrations, and how they can be changed or manipulated to suit a situation, however these people are simply falling over for him. He moves his hand towards them and then literally flop down like a house of cards.
The knife one was alright, and elements of it could definitely be used in a real situation.


That is Ukemi, and that is what gives Aikido a bad name. We could argue all day.
In a lot of these movements particularly sankyo nage there is immediate pain, and flopping down will let the other guy know that it hurts... like hell.
Ukemi is an integral part to practicing safely, in this way every one can live though 2 hours on the mat.
When you are more experienced you can go as fast as you like so long as you are ready for the injuries that will come with that.

In a real situation you do what you were trained to do, in my training I would reach for a weapon.

I cant talk about myself, because my I'm a paranoid white hat programmer, as well as a former private security contractor (not the black water kind), I can say that there are safe posts and dangerous posts. The dangerous ones are the posts where it's 2 am in the morning and you ain't got no got damned coffee, not to mention at 2 am many of us will begin to have hallucinations and waking dreams.

I have bachelor of arts in Game Design (Electronic), and I hold low rank in ASU Aikido.

I play a fender squire with Seymour Duncan pickups on a 65 watt crate amp.

As Mr Frisk has I have also driven across the united states thrice, which I will never do again!

I'm a big bad mofo, but Silent Hill games scare the shit out of me.

My language of choice: C#, rijndael managed 1028 bit:

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There seems to be persuasive evidence against ki and related concepts, so I'd like to see someone demonstrating their ki against a genuinely unwilling opponent to prove they're doing what they think they're doing.

I have tried Aikido, and I agree it has some real world value, but I feel it's problematic because it would be hard in a real world situation to sift through which of the teachings are practical and which are untested.

>> ^chilaxe:
There are some interesting points here, but it looks to me like there's so much philosophy and mysticism surrounding it that it's missing out on some real world value.

I've only taken a few classes and learned a few of the exercises, but from that little experience I can attest that Akido definitely has some real world value.

Give it a try. I think you'll be surprised.

It's all about "ki".

Smart ass! lol

In reply to this comment by laura:
^dude, you practice breathing? Me TOO!!!