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President Obama addresses terrorist attacks in Paris 11/15

PlayhousePals says...

Makes me physically ill ... *religion ... the basis for so many horrific and utterly senseless tragedies. Heart and thoughts are with those adversely affected. Upvote ... because

this is what a fascist sounds like

Babymech says...

1) Bullshit. Sorry, but it had to be said - when a criminal shoots a citizen, people do fucking care. Stop saying they don't, because it's disgusting and it's bullshit.

2) It's not a question of justice, it's a question of accountability. The next time a (black/white/whatever) criminal shoots a citizen, that's a tragedy that we need to address, but it's not blood on my hands - it's the fault of the criminal. Whenever a police officer gets away with unjustified use of force against a citizen, that's on the police and it's on us. Because we gave the police that power, we paid for their training, we bought their equipment - we have to be the ones to hold them accountable. They're our employees.

To put it in terms a conservative can understand, anger and responsibility - I'm angry whenever I hear of a criminal murdering citizens. I'm responsible whenever the police murder citizens.

bobknight33 said:

A person working for US killing a criminal ( when needed, Michael Brown) is doing his job. No that is protecting the citizens.

You see 1 cop killing 1 black and get all bent out of shape but when black kill black no one cares. You tell me where is the justice in that thinking?

Damascus doesn't quite look like it used to...

rich_magnet says...

I translated the YouTube comments of this video and I didn't learn much. Anyone know what's going on in this video? It seems to be taken from a recon drone. Do those tanks in the video deploy drones for targeting and recon? I doubt this is is the work of a hobby droner, unless said droner has huge lithium balls.

Also, what a tragedy. I don't know what Damascus used to look like, but it's sure in ruin now.

Four hikers and a suspension bridge...

ghark says...

A guy I went to school with was one of the survivors of the Cave Creek tragedy in the 90's (also in NZ) which had 14 deaths. It apparently was an issue of a poorly constructed platform, and the students shaking the platform.

Four people survived the fall of about 30m, I heard one of them was able to use their partner as a 'taboggan' pretty much, which cushioned their descent, allowing them to survive. The ultimate sacrifice. Pretty horrifying stuff, you wouldn't be the same person after.

Homeless Hero Sacrifies

Lawdeedaw says...

Then follow me my friend.

http://videosift.com/video/Seattle-cop-kills-nonthreatining-pedestrian

That video has no informative content. It's not a documentary or in any way shape or form follows your guidelines. It just gives an account of an officer killing a man. You hear the brutal gunshots, and see the man's lifeless corpse rotting on the sidewalk. His murder complete, the horror no less worse than my video any day of the week. Showing the shooting is no requirement for snuff... "Whether or not any victims are actually visible on camera."

Oh, and you UPVOTED the snuff... At the time I was personally mortified with that video, but then I kept my mouth shut because I don't ruin strong emotional videos for other people.

Discard that video. It is clearly snuff by our results today. No amount of "other reasons," such as the offender being an officer changes that.

http://videosift.com/video/10-Tragedies-Caught-on-Film

That video is hardly a documentary. It is snuff bullshit. Just a collage of death. I let it go because again it is not my place to attack its artistic conceptualization. Of course my own comments were put in, but I let the issue drop.

Now discard it.

http://videosift.com/video/Craziest-and-most-awesome-animal-compilations-of-the-web

This is my OWN video. This was a wildlife post that was deemed fine by the community after a bit of discussion. Although people didn't die on the video itself, some were killed. But again, it was not a documentary or anything other than the powerful, awe-inspiring reflection of nature. Even though it is "dead" it still must be discarded because the underlying content is still snuff; therefore, it would still be dead snuff.

Discard it.

Again, take your time. We have all the time in the world. We have a long long week of video killing to do you and I

lucky760 said:

I don't follow what you mean.

My response is in accordance with the same guidelines we've been following since the dawn of siftbot. I'm using our old precedents, not setting new ones.

So, yes the precedent applies to every video on the Sift, but it always has.

Homeless Hero Sacrifies

Lawdeedaw says...

newtboy, death has long not been considered snuff if it newsworthy, historic or artful. Or haven't you seen the millions of fucking police and troops killing people on the sift? They are allowed because they are "unexpected" and newsworthy. In fact that is exactly what @lucky760 told me back then. Guess he was wrong back then eh?

Or how about when I posted the video of mother nature being a powerful, awe inspiring motherfucker? There was definitely death in this vein there. I was told it was fine, because it showed the artistic power of mother-nature. That came from the mods and nearly everyone else. A few did argue their point, "But, but...it shows someone dying..."

Or how about the world's ten greatest tragedies that showed a fighter pilot drown with his jet? Oh the video was historically based, but that particular pilot's death was in no way historical at all. Yet it was defended and remained.

Honestly, if you have no clue what you are talking about, then shut up. You can argue the homeless saving people does not matter (not newsworthy,) you could argue that I could have edited it, but don't pull that bullshit "just because both die from gunshots."

In my opinion this is the definition of newsworthy. More of this needs shown to the world so they fucking have to eat the truth--that heroes can be poor street men. This is art in a very sad way. Like a fucking painting of a great man standing, defending a wall against a force much larger than his own. This is fucking news because no one expects it and it stuns people awake.

newtboy said:

I'm sorry, but by what insane definition or theory do you NOT consider this *snuff?!? It is the literal definition of the word, and is in fact double snuff as it seems both the 'hero' and the kidnapper are killed. Just because you feel the one death was 'heroic', and the other totally justified, does not make it any less a snuff film.
Good on the homeless man for saving the woman.
Bad on @Lawdeedaw for posting snuff.

CNNs Reporting Of The Oregon Mass Shooting

Babymech says...

1. Of course the authorities should investigate, but we also expect media to critically investigate what they report. They don't always do a decent job of it, but neither do the authorities. By reporting publicly, media helps provide transparency on both the events they report on and on what the authorities are doing / not doing. Naturally it's problematic when this becomes a business model, rewarding tragic scoops, but that's hard to avoid without state-run media.

2. Publishing the names of victims and perpetrators is a dicy media concern regardless of whether somebody sees it as a 'reward' or not. At some point you draw the line and set policy, and then it's unethical to go back across the line just because a specific perpetrator gets off on hearing his name mentioned. You set your policy as a means to serve the public as well as possible, not as a means of rewarding or punishing bad guys.

3. Regardless of whether they mention his name or not, the tragedy is that I don't remember his name. Not because he deserves to be remembered or not, but because this happens so frequently that the names blur. There's no way I'll remember his name, or Dylann Roof's, or Vesper Flanagan's, this time next year - it'll just blur into 'all the shootings that happen all the time'.

newtboy said:

Only semantically. In reality, if you put their message out there because they killed people, you're rewarding them.
I'm not saying the authorities shouldn't investigate, and I'm not even saying that information shouldn't be used to inform policy makers, I'm saying the 'reasons' for the mass murders (and names of the mass murderers) should not be reported publicly, because reporting it gives incentive for the next guy with a message (or with a pathological need for 'fame') to use mass murder to spread it.

Panic! At The Disco - The Ballad Of Mona Lisa

Guns with History

sixshot says...

personally can't see eye to eye about this video. It's disheartening as a whole. But it doesn't make me want to hate owning a gun.

I personally don't have a need for gun ownership. And my knowledge of firearms is very limited (aka it all came from playing games, derp derp!). The most I would have done is take classes on how to safely handle one in case such a dire event arises.

Owning one? It's a fundamental right for an American citizen. Regulate as much as they (the gov't) want. But no amount of regulation can ever stop tragedies. No amount of laws signed into place will ever prevent another tragedy to happen.

Shoreham Air Show, Sussex - Plane Crash

newtboy jokingly says...

So glad we have your considerate, "high end intelligent", adult comments to enlighten us. As always, you elevated the level of the conversation in such a thoughtful way and added so much relevant information to the discussion about this tragedy. Thanks so much for that.

BoneRemake said:

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skinnydaddy1 says...

Great band, Great song.

Updated Video sucked balls.
Seriously, I see or hear someone say "Wake up" in the context of some bullshit halfwit conspiracy theory I have to fight the sudden urge to slap the stupid out of that person. Guess I'm getting old and tired of every tragedy since the written word was invented being called some false flag this or that.

Obama sings 'Amazing Grace' at Clementa Pinckney funeral

bareboards2 says...

I know you were being honest. I think you missed the historical, cultural and personal meaning of the moment in a way that detracts from the significance. And starting low was the point, I think -- this is the tradition, isn't it, of low slow hymns that come from deep experience?

Sometimes it just isn't the time to make a joke. Comedy is tragedy plus time, as the saying goes. We are in the midst of tragedy. Too soon, I think, and coming from the wrong color skin.

[Coming back to clarify -- indeed it is the imperfections of his singing that brought even more resonance. Singing in front of a worldwide audience, when you aren't a singer? It is the imperfections that highlight the humanity. Who cares about perfection when your soul calls out for grace? Isn't that the point?]

PlayhousePals said:

No no no offense/diss intended. I was just caught off guard. In my mind I was comparing it to his beautiful [but brief] rendition of Al Green's I'm So In Love With You ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6uHR90Sq6k


And thanks @dag for Sweet Home Chicago

7 years, 7 mass shootings, 7 distraught speeches

Payback says...

The "backdrop of day-to-day violence" needs FAR more attention spent on it than these shocking aberrations. It's horrific. It's a tragedy. It is so "black and white" as to be able to be ignored as anything other than a true terrorist act.

It is also as completely unpreventable as a tornado or a hurricane.

More people died today in North America in horrific, tragic -racist or otherwise- but completely preventable ways. THAT is what needs changing. Talking about trying to prevent single assailant mass murder is stupid and wasteful.

notarobot (Member Profile)

PlayhousePals says...

Thanks Scotty. The video really got to me. My heart goes out to the man and to all of those effected by these incredibly senseless tragedies.

notarobot said:

*quality. *promote. *related=http://videosift.com/video/Jon-Stewart-on-Charleston-Shooting



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