Them pants are chock full of crazy!
>> ^shinyblurry:

Abstinence until marriage is a good thing, for one it gets rid of STDs and accidental pregnancies. Teen pregnancy and STD rates are out of control. No one makes good decisions when they're that age, especially not about sex.
Second, fornication is just plainly a sin, and for the reason that sex is a spiritual marriage between two people. You are spiritually joined to whomever you have sex with, forever.
The commentary here is what is disturbing..maybe you reprobates can't imagine giving up your carnal lusts because its what you're living for, but that lifestyle is meaningless, sad and no better than what animals do.

The problem with abstinence only education is that if kids fall off the band wagon (which they do... though not all) then they're much more at risk of teen pregnancy or contracting diseases. You said it yourself: "No one makes good decisions when they're that age, especially not about sex." Abstinence-only education means that when they do make a bad decision the results are worse.>> ^shinyblurry:

Abstinence until marriage is a good thing, for one it gets rid of STDs and accidental pregnancies. Teen pregnancy and STD rates are out of control. No one makes good decisions when they're that age, especially not about sex.
Second, fornication is just plainly a sin, and for the reason that sex is a spiritual marriage between two people. You are spiritually joined to whomever you have sex with, forever.
The commentary here is what is disturbing..maybe you reprobates can't imagine giving up your carnal lusts because its what you're living for, but that lifestyle is meaningless, sad and no better than what animals do.

Abstinence until marriage is a good thing, for one it gets rid of STDs and accidental pregnancies. Teen pregnancy and STD rates are out of control. No one makes good decisions when they're that age, especially not about sex.

Second, fornication is just plainly a sin, and for the reason that sex is a spiritual marriage between two people. You are spiritually joined to whomever you have sex with, forever.

The commentary here is what is disturbing..maybe you reprobates can't imagine giving up your carnal lusts because its what you're living for, but that lifestyle is meaningless, sad and no better than what animals do.

Perry is right. Abstinence does work when it is applied.

The question should be -- is avoiding teen pregnancy a goal? Or is the goal to try to prevent teen sex?

He just kept repeating -- we don't want teen sex.

Papier cul.

teen pregnancy is a serious issue in the animal kingdom

I didn't like that question from the interviewer, asking if the teenagers were making pacts to get pregnant. Next he'll be trying to paint a picture of these girls wanting to best UK teen pregnancy rates (the highest in Western Europe).

My next piece of opinion will probably result in me being torn a new one, but ahh to hell with it - it's about time we in the Western world started taking China's policy of 1 child per family seriously, plus the necessary education to make our younger members of society aware of why such steps will help us all in the long run.

I have reposted.

I hope that we can have a good discussion about this teen pregnancy topic. I don't know what to say about it myself. EIA, I fear. EIA.

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Sure, kill it and start again. Send me a note when you've re-submitted it and I'll put my vote in.

Hear, hear!

Great quote, kymbos!

>> ^kymbos:

"Lone, mentally-ill vermin". With deference to @<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/bareboards2" title="member since July 3rd, 2009" class="profilelink"><strong style="color: rgb(0, 136, 0);">bareboards2, I'll quote Stephen Budianski:
"For as long as I can remember, I have heard conservatives blaming everything that is wrong in the universe, from violent crime to declining test scores to teen pregnancy to rude children to declining patriotism to probably athlete's foot... upon Dr. Spock, Hollywood liberals, the abolition of prayer in school, Bill Clinton, the "liberal 1960s," the teaching of evolution — in other words, upon symbols, rhetoric, cultural norms, and the values expressed by political and media leaders. Yet from the moment when someone gets a gun in their hands, apparently, society ceases to have any influence whatsoever on the outcome and individual responsibility takes hold 100%. Something is driving the tripling of death threats against congressmen (and the concomitant rise in threats against Federal judges and other villains of the right, from Forest Service rangers to climate scientists) and it isn't the sunspot cycle."
http://budiansky.blogspot.com/2011/01/not-us-cont.html

"Lone, mentally-ill vermin". With deference to @bareboards2, I'll quote Stephen Budianski:

"For as long as I can remember, I have heard conservatives blaming everything that is wrong in the universe, from violent crime to declining test scores to teen pregnancy to rude children to declining patriotism to probably athlete's foot... upon Dr. Spock, Hollywood liberals, the abolition of prayer in school, Bill Clinton, the "liberal 1960s," the teaching of evolution — in other words, upon symbols, rhetoric, cultural norms, and the values expressed by political and media leaders. Yet from the moment when someone gets a gun in their hands, apparently, society ceases to have any influence whatsoever on the outcome and individual responsibility takes hold 100%. Something is driving the tripling of death threats against congressmen (and the concomitant rise in threats against Federal judges and other villains of the right, from Forest Service rangers to climate scientists) and it isn't the sunspot cycle."

http://budiansky.blogspot.com/2011/01/not-us-cont.html

Gordon Brown
CCTV
Speed Cameras
Chavs
Teen pregnancy
Rain
Social Services
Fuel Prices
M.O.T's
School holidays

Hmmm, all fuck no's...

But other than that, wooooo Britain

*quality

Oh please, not this moronic drivel again. Someone's teenager does something and they're not allowed to speak out against it? That's disingenuous, and you know it.

I'm not saying she can't speak out against teen pregnancy, I'm saying its hypocritical (or at the very least ignorant) of her to support abstinence only education when the evidence for its ineffectiveness was her own daughter. If Bristol's pregnancy were an isolated incident among people and communities that support abstinence only education I would agree that it's 'moronic' to suggest Palin is being hypocritical for preaching abstinence only. However, its not an isolated incident, and there is evidence the teen pregnancy rate is higher in areas where abstinence is stressed over other forms of Contraception and STD control.

Further more, the very fact teens don't always do what their parents say supports sexual education that isn't limited to abstinence. If they know how to properly us a condom, or that douching with coke or pulling out aren't effective contraception, maybe when they fail to abstain they can still practice safe safe.

>> ^quantumushroom:
That's rich, being lectured about safe sex by a rep of the demographic responsible for 50% of all AIDS cases.
Abstinence-only is a failure? Seems relatively new by comparison How many decades has there been "liberal" sex education in government schools? Results: 1 in 4 teen girls has an STD, half of all Black teens have herpes. FAIL.
Liberal "knowledge" always costs a little extra, as it's designed to undermine parental authority and encourage irresponsibility ("Don't worry, SOCIETY will pay for your bastard!") while downplaying real consequences.


You seem to be obsessed with the whole "every man for himself" philosophy of capitalism, but you have missed every single chapter on how this relies on informed citizens to actually work.

The entire concept of making a true free choice relies on our knowledge. Think about it: If you were asked if you with rather swim in water or swim in lava, and you had no idea what water or lava was, there is no point in making a choice in the first place, your "choice" would be no better or worse than after the flip of a coin.

If you really want people to fend for themselves, then why should we deliberately OMIT information in their sex education? Would you rather perhaps, that some official from the government should be sitting around the beds of 16 year-olds telling them not to have sex? Maybe we should have a more theocratic state, and go all-out on this whole "abstinence" idea, and just do like Saudi Arabia or Iran, and demand burka's and veils for all women, and threaten youth with 40 lashes for sex outside marriage?

Seriously, what is your real alternative? Do you like freedom, or do you like tax cuts and religion. You see, you cant have it both ways.

The statistics show quite clearly that when kids are given a proper sex education, abortions, STD's and teen pregnancies go DOWN, compared to this "abstinence only" bullshit.

Specter is about as moderate a Republican as John Boehner is.


Here's a brief rundown:

In the 110th Congress, Specter voted with his party 70.6 percent of the time

• Rated 12% by APHA, indicating a anti-public health voting record.
• Rated 81% by the Christian Coalition.
• Rated 0% by SANE, indicating a pro-military voting record.
• Rated 0% by the ARA, indicating an anti-senior voting record.


• Voted YES on Bush Administration Energy Policy.
• Voted YES on defunding renewable and solar energy.
• Voted YES on drilling ANWR on national security grounds
• Voted YES on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress.
• Voted NO on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore.
• Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives.
• Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage
• Voted YES on Amendment to prohibit flag burning.
• Voted NO on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
• Voted NO on including oil & gas smokestacks in mercury regulations.
• Voted NO on background checks at gun shows.
• Voted NO on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug.
• Voted NO on including prescription drugs under Medicare.
• Voted YES on Strengthening of the trade embargo against Cuba.
• Voted NO on requiring FISA court warrant to monitor US-to-foreign calls.
• Voted YES on telecomm deregulation.
• Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq


On March 9, 2006, the USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005 was signed into law. It amended the process for interim appointments of U.S. Attorneys, written into the bill by Arlen Specter during his chairmanship of the Senate Judiciary Committee.[18] The change allowed the Bush Administration to appoint interim U.S. attorneys without term limits, and without confirmation by the Senate. The Bush administration used the law to place at least eight interim attorneys into office in 2006.



There's ungodly amount more of really piss-poor judgment.

She is absolutely correct. Without education, whom ever you believe it should come from, the rates of abortion and teen pregnancy does indeed increase.

I'm a big Hillary fan already, this just backs up that fandom.

Let's just imagine what would happen to Texas if they were to secede.

I'm guessing that the US Pentagon wouldn't exactly entertain the notion of their military hardware and soldiers on Texas soil, and that they would try to get it back. Assuming that's successful, it would leave Texas unarmed and naked to the world. Sure, the populace may be packing heat, but the drug cartels wreaking havoc south of the border have bigger, more explosive heat. Once they move in, the "Nation" of Texas would deteriorate like so many South American nations ruined by drug trade. No doubt, some leftist Hugo Chavez-esque dictator would fill the power vacuum, and provide free health care and birth control, and subsidized education to the masses. Teen pregnancy drops, average household incomes rise.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with this scenario. Cut 'em loose!